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[Inquisitor Recon]

Gabey5 wrote...
Shepard was getting to fat and comfortable. I can see Anderson shaking his head in disapointment as he enters your captain's cabin for the first time, see's the fish tank, model ships and hamster.

FatShep would just go back to eating more Boston Cream donuts, tell him to go back to his new friends on Omega, then cry later.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ziggeh wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And would steal their tech and make them economicly, culturaly and politicly dešpendant on us.
Hence, slavery in all but name.

Well obviously, and they'd all speak perfect english and look like humans with a skin condition.

Which is irrelevant to my poaint - agressive, competetive speacies surpass those that aren't agressive and competetive.

And certanly all species in ME fit that mold. So, a pro-human mentality is only rational.

[Esbatty]

Gabey5 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
They probably stripped the Normandy of some of those advanced systems I spent my credits to pay for. They probably took out the nice chairs and replaced them with the lousy regulation stuff, they probably forgot to feed the fish, who are now dead because of them.

In short, Systems Alliance is bureaucratic jerks.

Shepard was getting to fat and comfortable. I can see Anderson shaking his head in disapointment as he enters your captain's cabin for the first time, see's the fish tank, model ships and hamster.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Gardner "rescued" your fish and hamster, made a "kitchen sink" stew, then Conrad bought it all up.

[CerberusSoldier]

VeR0se wrote...

Cerberus is Mass Effect's version of PETA

 


No they are the ones Bioware choses to use in 3 because the reaper threat can not stand on its own as the sole enemy . since the game needs some soldiers to kill a long with the geth

[Farbautisonn]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

VeR0se wrote...

Cerberus is Mass Effect's version of PETA

 


No they are the ones Bioware choses to use in 3 because the reaper threat can not stand on its own as the sole enemy . since the game needs some soldiers to kill a long with the geth

Picking the batarians as a secondary antagonist would have made one hell of alot more sense storywise. After all, you just killed hundreds of thousands of them and destroyed one of their solar systems. But no. We have to go with Cerberus. The story of this game will have to do some creative writing en par with the Sagas to get all of these story twists to make any sense.

[Biotic Sage]

At a certain point people get get so far up their own collective ass and so ridiculously focused on the absurdly minute details that they lose the ability to take a step back and see things from a big picture perspective, i.e. taking an "objective, truly assess THEN make a judgment approach" instead of taking the "judge then defend my own entrenched judgment approach."

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 24 février 2012 - 09:38 .

[Icinix]

Easy.

You can support what they want to achieve - but not their methods.

[Farbautisonn]

Biotic Sage wrote...

At a certain point people get get so far up their own collective ass and so ridiculously focused on the absurdly minute details that they lose the ability to take a step back and see things from a big picture perspective, i.e. taking an "objective, truly assess THEN make a judgment approach" instead of taking the "judge then defend my own entrenched judgment approach."

No names mentioned, none forgotten? 

[Kemor]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Actually, Cerberus would be more analogous to Ozymandias. What with the whole willingness to sacrifice people for what they perceive to be the greater good thing.

He was right in the end though wasn't he? While all the others just had very narrow and naive views and were panicking or going into depression, his intellect allowed him to see things with pure objectivity, outside the boundaries of morality, ideology, etc.

I always thought ozymandias to be THE only real hero in the book while all the others were just petty, bored and so simply human.
I mean, it's a pretty big self sacrifice to go against your own beliefs, to risk everything you are, in order to become a full fledge "villain" that will unify the world toward one single purpose, just because you KNOW it's the only thing to do to save the world.

Of course you need a huge ego for that, but when you're beyond even the simple term of genius, I think ego's kinda earned


As for Cerberus, I didn't read any spoilers so I have no clue why they fight shepard in ME3 and I hope it's explained in-game. Can't really comment on their motives. That said, I had no problem in ME2 and I actually found the illusive man to be very effective, even though he might have had another agenda. Quite sad you can't side 100% with him in ME3 to be honest, I hate all the stupid bickering of the Council, Human Fleet and whatnot. I mean look at them at the start of the Demo...are these morons really worth fighting for?

Modifié par Kemor, 24 février 2012 - 09:54 .

[Goneaviking]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]Goneaviking wrote...
Because... you say so? I just watched the scene with the baby reaper again, I kept an eye out for tech apparently used to manufacture the reaper or install hardware into it and aside from those tubes injecting people goo into the reaper it's surprisingly lacking. You'd expect to see something in the big chamber they're using to build it.[/quote]

No, because it makes sense.

The base is MASSIVE.. I mean, MASSIVE. You honestly think you saw the whole base and everything in it?
You really think the core and the shell would be made in the same chamber?

The chamber with the core isn't even big enough to fit the shell - a reaper "body/shell" is 2 km long.
And the base is practicly citadel-sized. More than enough room to fit several reapers in it.

And no..the core is metallis. The reaper shell is quite clearly metallic and NOT organic. You were in a derelict reaper - that isnt' grown. It is built.
[/quote]

Don't need to see the whole base, just need to see that one room. They've got a reaper hooked up with a handful of pipes pumping people goo into the reaper, they don't have any noticeable equipment for manufacture. If it were being crafted in anyway that we would use the term there would be all kinds of hardware available but it's all curiously absent.

As for what they're made from, when Shepard questions why they need humans at all, because they're machines EDI's reply is"
"Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. The exact construction methods are unclear, but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species; utilizing it in their reproductive process."

www.youtube.com/watch

[quote][quote]The truth is we know very little about how they create reapers. We don't know if they're assembled or if they're grown. We don't know if the people goo they use is what they construct it out of, or if it's some sort of nutrient they use to give it life.[/quote]

No, we know they are built.[/quote]
Please refer once more to EDI's statement above: "The exact construction methods are unclear, but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species; utilizing it in their reproductive process."

Even EDI who has more information, and better analysis facilities, then us doesn't know what to make of it.

[quote]Didn't stop Cerberus before..

Knowledge is power. And not all knowledge is technologys ment to be mass-produced. You can find otu stuff about reapers that can help you and DON'T require mass producitng stuff (like for example, how indoctrination works...reaper weak spots, etc...)
[/quote]

Cerberus' known history is a litany of failure with disastrous results.

Any in depth research into completely alien technology is going to take time to provide reliable results, let alone actual understanding of it. Time that we don't have, which you were eager to point out in a previous post.

[quote]Listen to what HAckeet sez in arrival. Listen to the battle of the Citadel. Teh alliance fleet focuses on Sovereign.
"Sovereign is too strong" ring a bell?
In other words - you're proven wrong by the game.[/quote]
The battle of the citadel is a unique situation and can't legitimately be expected to translate accurately to vastly different circumstances. For instance in a situation where the Reapers didn't have total surprise on their side against a foe that didn't know they existed in a battle taking place after an infiltration team had eliminated their enemies command center.

[quote]Unproven? So that we FACTUALLY know a single repaer can rape a fleet, it's faster, more manuverable, has better endurance, etc..... that is nothing? [/quote]
I didn't say it was nothing, I said that their strength is unproven against a foe that they haven't taken unawares and isolated. Big difference.

[quote]They've been asleep for tens of thousands of years, in that time galaxy has shifted in ways they won't immediately notice but in ways that the locals will know from living with it constantly. Intelligence briefings and star charts don't automatically beat out local knowledge.[/quote]

Yes they do. The reapers arne't morons.
Because of their superiror strategical mobility and no fixed assets, they dictate the battelfield, not you.

You cannot force them to commit to battle. They can force you.
[/quote]
Yeah, everyone thinks they can have their way in Afghanistan and yet the locals always beat them despite the collossal advantages.

[quote]And yet it is.
Just because you expect half of your people to turn agaisnt you and join the enemy ,doesn't mean you can do anything about it (especialyl when the one who turns might be you).
[/quote]
Plan accordingly and make preparations and very little is insurmountable. Honestly I don't know how they're going to deal with it, but I'm willing to take it on faith that it will be dealt with in a reasonable way.

[quote][quote]We've already taken away their biggest advantages, and there are plenty of examples of apparently inferior forces beating more advanced and dominant forces by playing to their strengths and fighting on their own terms.
[/quote]
lol...no. What advantages? The Citadel relays? The same Citadel they can take back whenever they please?[/quote]

No, surprise is their biggest advantage along with the ability to isolate every system and prevent communications, co-ordination, retreat and reinforcements.

Also, they can't simply waltz in and take the Citadel without a fight, if it was that easy then they would have done it in the first game instead of fooling around for two games while we made preparations.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 24 février 2012 - 10:02 .

[Biotic Sage]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

At a certain point people get get so far up their own collective ass and so ridiculously focused on the absurdly minute details that they lose the ability to take a step back and see things from a big picture perspective, i.e. taking an "objective, truly assess THEN make a judgment approach" instead of taking the "judge then defend my own entrenched judgment approach."

No names mentioned, none forgotten? 

I think you and I both know the people who will "get" that post in all facets of "getting it" don't need me to mention the obvious nomina that I'm referring to. 

[SirEtchwart]

Saphra Deden wrote...

When it comes to whether or not I feel TIM is trustworthy it depends on the context.

Do I think TIM would never lie to me? No, I think he would.

When I trust TIM I mean that only in the sense that I trust TIM's stated motives regarding humanity are genuine. That means I think he honestly wants what is best for humanity, or at least what he thinks is best.

I would only consider TIM as someone "not to be trusted" if I didn't think he cared about humanity. Like if I thought that was just a cover. I don't think that's the case.

If TIM were just after power and not pursuing certain principals I think he'd have been content joining the Alliance and rising through the ranks. Surely he'd have gotten far.

In ME2 every time a squadmate or Anderson said "Cerberus can't be trusted" I always thirsted for an explanation.

What do you mean Cerberus can't be trusted? Do you mean I can't trust them to fight the Reapers? Why not?

So far they've done more than anyone else to fight the Reapers and fighting the Reapers is in-line with their over all goals.

ME3 throws a curve ball, but it isn't one that could have been anticipated without meta-gaming.

This....


makes sense. I agree. 

I mean, TIM really does believe he's doing the right thing. Even in ME3, I'm sure he'll be just as suave and self-assured as he sides with galaxy-nomming Cthulu bots.

[Farbautisonn]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

At a certain point people get get so far up their own collective ass and so ridiculously focused on the absurdly minute details that they lose the ability to take a step back and see things from a big picture perspective, i.e. taking an "objective, truly assess THEN make a judgment approach" instead of taking the "judge then defend my own entrenched judgment approach."

No names mentioned, none forgotten? 

I think you and I both know the people who will "get" that post in all facets of "getting it" don't need me to mention the obvious nomina that I'm referring to. 

-I think you are wrong and my number one exibit is the very first post on this forum that has generated more than 200 pages of ****estorm in under 30 hrs.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]Goneaviking wrote...

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No, because it makes sense.

The base is MASSIVE.. I mean, MASSIVE. You honestly think you saw the whole base and everything in it?
You really think the core and the shell would be made in the same chamber?

The chamber with the core isn't even big enough to fit the shell - a reaper "body/shell" is 2 km long.
And the base is practicly citadel-sized. More than enough room to fit several reapers in it.

And no..the core is metallis. The reaper shell is quite clearly metallic and NOT organic. You were in a derelict reaper - that isnt' grown. It is built.
[/quote]

Don't need to see the whole base, just need to see that one room. [/quote]

No, you do need to see the whole base.


[quote]
They've got a reaper hooked up with a handful of pipes pumping people goo into the reaper, they don't have any noticeable equipment for manufacture. If it were being crafted in anyway that we would use the term there would be all kinds of hardware available but it's all curiously absent.[/quote]

So that metal skelet and mouth cannon and flaoting platform - they just assmbled themselves out of nothing?

You know - I don't recall seeing menufacturing equipment when the Normandy Mk2 was introduced. CLEARY that mean that it wasn't built, TIM just crapped it out.


[quote]
As for what they're made from, when Shepard questions why they need humans at all, because they're machines EDI's reply is"
"Incorrect. Reapers are sapient constructs. A hybrid of organic and inorganic material. The exact construction methods are unclear, but it seems probable that the Reapers absorb the essence of a species; utilizing it in their reproductive process."[/quote]

Yes, to pump that into the CORE. The entire rest of the reaper is celarly a construct.




[quote]
[quote]Didn't stop Cerberus before..

Knowledge is power. And not all knowledge is technologys ment to be mass-produced. You can find otu stuff about reapers that can help you and DON'T require mass producitng stuff (like for example, how indoctrination works...reaper weak spots, etc...)
[/quote]

Cerberus' known history is a litany of failure with disastrous results.

Any in depth research into completely alien technology is going to take time to provide reliable results, let alone actual understanding of it. Time that we don't have, which you were eager to point out in a previous post.[/quote]

Cerberus history is OK.
All the more reason to start research right away.
You have no idea how long it will take, so drop it. It might take years, or we make make a early breaktrough.



[quote]
[quote]Listen to what HAckeet sez in arrival. Listen to the battle of the Citadel. Teh alliance fleet focuses on Sovereign.
"Sovereign is too strong" ring a bell?
In other words - you're proven wrong by the game.[/quote]
The battle of the citadel is a unique situation and can't legitimately be expected to translate accurately to vastly different circumstances. For instance in a situation where the Reapers didn't have total surprise on their side against a foe that didn't know they existed in a battle taking place after an infiltration team had eliminated their enemies command center.[/quote]

Quite the opposite - the battle of the Citadel is a celar indication of reapers power.
Sovereign was pounced on by the entire 5th fleet - a surprise attack. It was imobile, incapable of brining all of its' guns to bear - and it was STILL carving it up like no ones buisness.
Teh very example you brought up works agaisnt you.



[quote]
I didn't say it was nothing, I said that their strength is unproven against a foe that they haven't taken unawares and isolated. Big difference.[/quote]

Except it's not. The 5th Fleet was not taken by surprise..it was the other way around.




[quote][quote]
Because of their superiror strategical mobility and no fixed assets, they dictate the battelfield, not you.

You cannot force them to commit to battle. They can force you.
[/quote]
Yeah, everyone thinks they can have their way in Afghanistan and yet the locals always beat them despite the collossal advantages.[/quote]

The Afghani are wining? Since when?
Also, why do you deliberately ignore the "no fixed assets" part? There is no comparison to be made.
And you really cannot hide in caves in space....



[quote]
Plan accordingly and make preparations and very little is insurmountable. Honestly I don't know how they're going to deal with it, but I'm willing to take it on faith that it will be dealt with in a reasonable way.[/quote]

Lol...so you make a plan that will take into acount that anyone/everyone in the chain of command might get compromised? That all of your battle plans will be leaked?
Aha....I'd like to see that plan.



[quote][quote]
lol...no. What advantages? The Citadel relays? The same Citadel they can take back whenever they please?[/quote]

No, surprise is their biggest advantage along with the ability to isolate every system and prevent communications, co-ordination, retreat and reinforcements.

Also, they can't simply waltz in and take the Citadel without a fight, if it was that easy then they would have done it in the first game instead of fooling around for two games while we made preparations.
[/quote]

Yes, they can simply walktz in and take it. Sovereign alone almsot did it. You really think the Citadel fleet can stop a thousand reapers?

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 24 février 2012 - 10:20 .

[mccool78]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yes, they can simply walktz in and take it. Sovereign alone almsot did it. You really think the Citadel fleet can stop a thousand reapers?

Exactly. As soon as the Reapers reach a functional Relay, they should be able to conquer Citadel and shut down the relay network. Then everyone else is stranded --> Reapers have virtually won.

Modifié par mccool78, 24 février 2012 - 10:39 .

[gearseffect]

DO I think TIM is evil? No.

TIM thinks he is a Messiah for the Human Race and has a Messiah God Savior Complex and with that he can justify anything he or what he has Cerberus do as simply " It's all to Save and Preserve Humanity at any Cost! Nothing More Nothing Less!" He views himself as the sole Savoir of all Humanity in his own twisted mind.

Is TIM anti-alien? Hard to say. TIM's God Complex really has nothing to do with aliens. In the ME games I never ran across a Cerberus base that had Turian, Salarian, Asari, Bartarian, or any other alien tied up getting experimented on. Just Human Subjects. Aliens being subjected to these experiments don't help TIM figure out anything useful to save Humanity, They don't feed his Complex.

The Geth however in TIM's mind are a source of cheap labor just like the Quirains made them for. So that is why TIM experimented on Geth. Having his own machine servants to build him stuff feeds his Human God Complex.

The Rachni Experiments and Thresher Maw ones were all done to see what effect those things had on Humans, not anything else. Feeds his Human God Complex.

TIM goes out of his way to make people he feels betrayed him suffer and get revenge on them. Hunting these people down like he does is just a bit unnatural but he uses them for his experiments to feed his God Complex.see the novel Retribution.

Given the events that unfolded in Retribution, Cerberus was dealt a huge defeat and was reduced to a shell of what it had been. TIM was in a bit of a hard spot, he needs Cerberus up and running more efficient than ever with the Reapers coming. TIM can't be the savior of Human kind if he sits it out, so the question then becomes in order to Feed TIM's own God Complex how far is he willing to go? Would he try and use what he thinks is dead Reaper tech implanted in himself and many other humans to have an instant TIM indoctrinated army that he is controlling (or at least thinks he is controlling)?

TIM thinks he is a Messiah God here to Save Humanity and Cerberus is his tool to Save Humanity and Feed his complex.

I hope this helps solve the thing of TIM and Cerberus.
Also when you got a character like this voice by Martin Sheen the character than becomes someone people love and yet despise all at the same time. OR just hate him or love him.

TIM is basically a Self Proclaimed Messiah put here to Save Humanity at any cost Nothing more, Nothing Less.
And Cerberus are TIM's Disciples or Holy Warriors.

[Biotic Sage]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

At a certain point people get get so far up their own collective ass and so ridiculously focused on the absurdly minute details that they lose the ability to take a step back and see things from a big picture perspective, i.e. taking an "objective, truly assess THEN make a judgment approach" instead of taking the "judge then defend my own entrenched judgment approach."

No names mentioned, none forgotten? 

I think you and I both know the people who will "get" that post in all facets of "getting it" don't need me to mention the obvious nomina that I'm referring to. 

-I think you are wrong and my number one exibit is the very first post on this forum that has generated more than 200 pages of ****estorm in under 30 hrs.

Honestly you weren't even one of the individuals I was referring to.  There are a few head-up-their-arses people I've seen consistently post their drivel who think they are debating/discussing when really they are so close minded and entrenched in the viewpoint they originally gravitated toward that as an observer of the "debates" it's quite laughable.

My own personal opinion on Cerberus and the Alliance is that they are both comprised of people who all individually have both good and bad qualities.  I agree with some of Cerberus's philosophy, but there is plenty about their philosophy I disagree with as well.  Good/Evil and "moral" in the sense that the OP is using the word don't really mean much to me when engaging in philosophical discussion.  A Song of Ice and Fire is one of my favorite books because Martin just allows the world to be and the characters to live, instead of forcing them inside these imaginary archetypes of "the good guy" and "the bad guy."  The people who wholly support Cerberus in every single area I have to think are a little nutty, just as people who support "pure paragon" in every area are a little nutty as well.

Anyway, I don't think we are in as much of a disagreement as you believe.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 24 février 2012 - 10:52 .

[Farbautisonn]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Anyway, I don't think we are in as much of a disagreement as you believe.

-Id hope not. And your argumentation is sound which I for one greatly appreciate. Too many thread here turn into pissing contests.

[gearseffect]

Saphra Deden wrote...

So he's Kane then.

That's cool, 'cause I like Kane.

Is this in regards to my post about TIM being broken down into a self proclaimed messiah of the Human Race,

I really think TIM and Cerberus can be broken down into something as simple or complex as that.

People tend to be upset by some of the things TIM and Cerberus do and for good reason

I have yet to see TIM/Cerberus do anything that shows any sign of violence towards aliens. I only see things that show what Man is willing to do to Man all in for the sake of Saving Human Kind.

My explanation was a puerly nutral one not for or agiants anthing just an explanation into understanding TIM and Cerberus.

As a player joing up with TIM allows for some rather God Like Power and the Ulimate in gaming choices.

EDIT TIM"S GOd Complex also makes him the only person willing to take the Reaper threat and do something about it. It feeds his Dod Complex more than anything. Because stoping the Reapers is the ultimate act of a Savior or Messiah.

Modifié par gearseffect, 24 février 2012 - 10:59 .

[darkheartedmk]

How Can a Rational Moral Person Still Support Cerberus ? Well from what I've seen on the BSN rational people are in short supply

[Lotion Soronarr]

gearseffect wrote...

DO I think TIM is evil? No.

TIM thinks he is a Messiah for the Human Race and has a Messiah God Savior Complex and with that he can justify anything he or what he has Cerberus do as simply " It's all to Save and Preserve Humanity at any Cost! Nothing More Nothing Less!" He views himself as the sole Savoir of all Humanity in his own twisted mind.

Is TIM anti-alien? Hard to say. TIM's God Complex really has nothing to do with aliens. In the ME games I never ran across a Cerberus base that had Turian, Salarian, Asari, Bartarian, or any other alien tied up getting experimented on. Just Human Subjects. Aliens being subjected to these experiments don't help TIM figure out anything useful to save Humanity, They don't feed his Complex.

The Geth however in TIM's mind are a source of cheap labor just like the Quirains made them for. So that is why TIM experimented on Geth. Having his own machine servants to build him stuff feeds his Human God Complex.

The Rachni Experiments and Thresher Maw ones were all done to see what effect those things had on Humans, not anything else. Feeds his Human God Complex.

TIM goes out of his way to make people he feels betrayed him suffer and get revenge on them. Hunting these people down like he does is just a bit unnatural but he uses them for his experiments to feed his God Complex.see the novel Retribution.

TIM thinks he is a Messiah God here to Save Humanity and Cerberus is his tool to Save Humanity and Feed his complex.

HM...amazing how much you seem to know for sure about TIM. More than anyone else. Heck, even the devs..

No, TIM doesn't havea  God complex.
If anyone has one, it's Sheaprd...and many players who's ego eclipses the galaxy.

[packardbell]

I hate Cerberus and it's extremist ideologies but think most of them don't care about that, and like Miranda said just join out of xenophobia and a chance at killing aliens.

[gearseffect]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

DO I think TIM is evil? No.

TIM thinks he is a Messiah for the Human Race and has a Messiah God Savior Complex and with that he can justify anything he or what he has Cerberus do as simply " It's all to Save and Preserve Humanity at any Cost! Nothing More Nothing Less!" He views himself as the sole Savoir of all Humanity in his own twisted mind.

Is TIM anti-alien? Hard to say. TIM's God Complex really has nothing to do with aliens. In the ME games I never ran across a Cerberus base that had Turian, Salarian, Asari, Bartarian, or any other alien tied up getting experimented on. Just Human Subjects. Aliens being subjected to these experiments don't help TIM figure out anything useful to save Humanity, They don't feed his Complex.

The Geth however in TIM's mind are a source of cheap labor just like the Quirains made them for. So that is why TIM experimented on Geth. Having his own machine servants to build him stuff feeds his Human God Complex.

The Rachni Experiments and Thresher Maw ones were all done to see what effect those things had on Humans, not anything else. Feeds his Human God Complex.

TIM goes out of his way to make people he feels betrayed him suffer and get revenge on them. Hunting these people down like he does is just a bit unnatural but he uses them for his experiments to feed his God Complex.see the novel Retribution.

TIM thinks he is a Messiah God here to Save Humanity and Cerberus is his tool to Save Humanity and Feed his complex.

HM...amazing how much you seem to know for sure about TIM. More than anyone else. Heck, even the devs..

No, TIM doesn't havea  God complex.
If anyone has one, it's Sheaprd...and many players who's ego eclipses the galaxy.

I never said that is how he is, I was mearly stating just what I've seen of him that is how her presents himself.

If I were going off what I knew of Cerberus from ME1 I'd say they were a group of sadists. If I were going off what I knew of them by only ME2 I'd say they were great and one of the smartest organazations out there.

But I'm going off my gather info and my collective assesment of TIM from all the sources, the Books, Games, Comics.

This is how TIM seems to me. Is he Evil? No? Is he good? No.

In Fact as I stated in my above post TIM's god Complex makes him one of the few people with the resources to find a way to stop the Reapers. It's