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[tanktarget]

 This is probably a shadey topic but im going to voice my opinion on this and ask for yours.

The article where i first found out about the dlc,
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"From Ashes" weighs in at over 600 MB. Like the DLC companions in Mass Effect 2[/i] and Dragon Age[/i], this probably means that a new mission or two is included in the pack. " so possibly has content 'vital' to the mass effect story, and has been made before release.

Yet we have to pay extra to get this content, yet could have been shipped with the game on release? Now personally i dont think this is acceptable, it just seems like ea/bioware are trying to make even more money out of the consumers, yeah sure i dont really care for extra weapons or suit of armour or skins because its just aesthetic whereas this is most likely very important to the story as most of it is based around the protheans and reapers.

I've allready pre ordered the standard edition of the game and hearing that something like this before the game is out is just annoying.

[Gildon Mathrews]

I don't like the idea of having a live prothean with me. I think it would ruin the mystery behind them.

[ticklefist]

Coupled with the $10 increase over ME1 or ME2's introductory price, yeah, this is annoying.

Modifié par ticklefist, 23 février 2012 - 02:48 .

[icychill]

EA...those greedy ****s. EA is in charge of stuff like that, right?

[Gnarlesee]

TotalHalibut on it. Spot on.

[BadMojoUT]

I really hate to nitpick but isn't this thread title a bit of a spoiler? As someone who loves to enter a new game with just the briefest of overviews of what a game's story is about, this one does seem like a fairly big revelation.

Granted that it's coming as a DLC is an even bigger (and more annoying) surprise...

[albafica]

So even if u pre order the N7 edition...u still have to pay the DLC????
wtf EA

[xeikai]

While browsing the net I did infact come across this information and was quite a bit put off by it. First off let me start by saying this.

I just got done playing the demo, I thought it was quite a nice bit of content for only a demo and the game looks very good and fun to boot. took me about 45 mins to play though it and i had a blast.

Now, it's well known if you've played the 2 previous Mass Effect games that prothians are indeed a mysterious long extinct race that have alot of information they could likely share with shepard ect. I have also been told that the prothian will still be in the game but you just wont get the mission to get him in your party. Now this still leads me to believe that without him in your party the game can and most likely will progress in a different way.

I dunno but i just feel like EA/Bioware are testing the waters to see what we'll accept, I'm not nessecarily talking about developers or any of the team who makes the game, I'm talking about publishers mainly. Testing how much they can Nickle and Dime us because they know the series has huge fans who will be tempted to play these games just because they love them so much. It's basically akin to George Lucas, reproducing Star Wars content to sell over and over.

Dont get me wrong, I do like Bioware, I have for a long time, But I think a line has to be drawn somewhere. I mean, The game has been said to be massive out of the box, which is good. I also dont have problems with DLC that's purely cosmetic. People spend m oney on cosmetics, League of Legends is a great example of how much people will spend on a game. And that's free to play out of the box.

I just really feel like I'm being tested here. I like Bioware, and have since the Baldur's Gate series of RPG's. But i do have limits, I'm still up in the air about this, I dunno we'll see what kind of responses the company gives before the launch and I'll make my judgement then.

[spacehamsterZH]

The way I see it, there's two possibilities:

1) The character really is integral to the story, what with being a Prothean and all. Without the DLC, we'll be missing an important part of the plot, and worse yet, the logistics of it all being what they are, whatever happens in this DLC will probably happen in our game regardless, we just don't get to see it.

2) Due to the aforementioned logistics and certain less-than-savory tendencies in the BW writing team that we've seen in the past, it's also possible that this whole thing is basically going to be a slightly fancier version of Zaeed - nice to have, but completely negligible in terms of the main plot. It'll just turn out the Protheans don't really matter all that much and/or it'll never be explained properly.

I don't know which possibility is worse. And yeah, this definitely crosses a line. In the past I've actually defended the practice of having DLC that has clearly already been made before the game's release and is then sold afterwards - you know what you're getting when you buy the game, and just because a piece of content exists at the time of its release doesn't mean there's any obligation on the publisher's part to let you have it. But here it's like they're not even disguising the fact that the "full game" actually has content cut out of it, and it's available on launch day just, oh, oops, we've decided you have to pay extra for it. And because it's the third game in a franchise that people are heavily invested in, they'll suck it up and pay for it. Including me, of course. If this was a new property, I'd boycot it on general principle, but... it's ME3. What am I gonna do, not buy it?

[slyboy78]

 Here's a simple solution
Don't like it? don't get it. there, happy?

[xeikai]

slyboy78 wrote...

 Here's a simple solution
Don't like it? don't get it. there, happy?

Accually it's not that simple.  yes, i do like the game,  Am i willing to compromise beliefs and stick to my guns because I personally feel a company is trying to nickle and dime me for content.  Sure, it's 'only 10 bucks'  yeah, I can easily pay that.  But am I going to compromise my integrity because i love the game so much, and just say (Even though I know this is a ripoff, and that they are gouging me.  I'm going to buy it anyway).  That's the worst thing you can do as a consumer.  Someone has to draw the line somewhere.  And mine is drawn here.

[Reorte]

Spot on xeikai. It's exploiting the fact that they've got you hooked already. If it was something in the first game of a brand new franchise it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad. Having only got into recent games late-ish last year I was planning on going through Bioware's back catalogue. This sort of thing means that I'll put up with it for ME3 but not buy anything from games I've not played at all (principally the Dragon Age ones).

[Toshir]

slyboy78 wrote...

 Here's a simple solution
Don't like it? don't get it. there, happy?

Oh fanboys.

[Kiara]

I know people are annoyed by this but it is just a game, a game you don't need to buy. Heck it is game none of you have played yet. Generally DLC's are NOT essential to the main core of a game. A prothean would be cool to have yes, but it doesn't need to be essential.. taking earth back and kicking Reaper buts is the main plot of this game yes?

[xeikai]

Kiara wrote...

I know people are annoyed by this but it is just a game, a game you don't need to buy. Heck it is game none of you have played yet. Generally DLC's are NOT essential to the main core of a game. A prothean would be cool to have yes, but it doesn't need to be essential.. taking earth back and kicking Reaper buts is the main plot of this game yes?

Yeah,  What you say at it's core is true.  In the end the mission is to protect earth and save it.  And there is plenty of that in the game.  Here is where I feel they're crossing the line. 

The prothians are a big part of the lore and history,  The last two games have Shepard discovering a prothian artifact which infact makes him special and gives him insite on the looming threat, in which you have to retreve an old piece of prothian technology "The Conduit" i believe,  In Mass Effect 2,  It's discovered your accually fighting repurposed Prothians (Collectors).  They have spent all that time beefing up prothian lore, turning them into these long lost guides who's knowlege could potentially save the galaxy from the reapers.

And now in Mass Effect 3, it's disovered that there is an accual breathing, existing prothian?

Oh cool,  Oh, but only to find that he's DLC,   Now,  I wouldnt have a problem with this if they handled it like they handled Shale from Dragon Age,  Buy a new copy, instead of used, and you get the Prothian for free.  Awesome.  Great incentive help support the gaming industry,  But this?   Excluding him from the normal retail version only to make the collectors edition or their orgin version more attractive?  And charge 10 dollars upfront to people who buy the regular version,  New.   That just seems like them gouging.  And that's where my issue stands.   I feel that they are taking advantage of me because they spent all that time getting us intrested in the prothians,  Building up their mystque and lore and in the finally, we get to finally see a live prothian,  But nope, sorry, cant play with him untill you pay an extra 10 bucks.   That is my problem.  And that is why i'm upset with EA for this desision.  I'm quite angry, and yeah it bothers me that i will not be playing though the third installment and seeing the finally of one of my most favorite gaming francises.

But even though that is so, I wont let my need to see how a story ends,  Even if it's a good story, inflict damage on a market that's already showing some very very nasty trends, and reinforce those trends with my support for this game. 

/End of rant.

Modifié par xeikai, 25 février 2012 - 09:09 .

[Reorte]

xeikai wrote...
That is my problem.  And that is why i'm upset with EA for this desision.  I'm quite angry, and yeah it bothers me that i will not be playing though the third installment and seeing the finally of one of my most favorite gaming francises.

But even though that is so, I wont let my need to see how a story ends,  Even if it's a good story, inflict damage on a market that's already showing some very very nasty trends, and reinforce those trends with my support for this game. 

/End of rant.

Yeah, that's my problem, taking advantage of getting me hooked earlier (although my objection is more about having to install rubbish like Origin) but I'm taking it in the direction that they won't get any money from me outside of this - perhaps I'm luckier not having played any other Bioware games, and I might very well be buying up the back catalogue if they weren't acting so obnoxiously. Perhaps (probably) it's EA's fault instead but they never had to get in bed with them.

Unfortunately people will tend to put up with just about anything if it gets them what they want, so the exploitation and immoral business practices will continue. And if sales did fall the chance of them acknowledging the real cause of the problem is pretty well near zero (odds on they'll bleat on about piracy instead of admitting they've driven people away).

[mredders91]

keep in mind that it not just the prothean squadmate DLC but the AI squadmate DLC as well the same thing apply to the both of them

[Mr Stereo1]

Oh... for crying out loud. I don't mind companies raising prices, if I'm not willing to pay what they want then I can spend my money elsewhere, but why does Bioware have to try to step-change the extra costs like this?

As someone with an erratic and often slow internet connection, I find getting DLC is a real chore.

[Arkalezth]

Mr Stereo1 wrote...

I don't mind companies raising prices

Wow. I wouldn't know how to start replying to that... Let's just say that most people do mind about prices.

[Switchbreaker]

As a fan, no issue with this. Video games cost money to make, contrary to popular belief.