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[Nordicus]

eroeru wrote...

Also, I really like the ideas behind it, and the developers - but there's really little content and difficulty for this game. It would be much more awesome, for example, if when you die, you're dead. Until some other player rescurrects you, you cannot play that char. This kind of game I'd play.

So it's not difficult enough for you unless you have to play in what is essentially a Hardcore Mode?

Just how challenged did you except to be in a beta weekend?

[eroeru]

^^ My argument isn't about the beta weekend.

It's rather a statement with rather a broader meaning. MMO's have been wrecked since WoW.

Yes, I'd enjoy a hardcore MMO. There's none (living). That's why I'm always happy about a developer who promises to "change things" in the MMO world. But they never do it if they keep the level of simplicity of WoW...



edit: in addition to being more "hardcore", the main thing I'd enjoy about the notion I gave is that it'd introduce complex social issues. Like why would a player resurrect another? Why and if you would do that... The older types of MMO's had more of complex social/psychological stuff, which I really liked (but cannot put my finger on, exactly).

It would also give a sense of unpredictibility (of when you'll be rezzed), also other factors to come into play (like where you'd die - you'd not want to do so in a wilderness devoid of people - though these should hold more treasures and high-level monsters), and last but not least, it would give a huge weight on one's life.

This would be super awesome.

Modifié par eroeru, 11 mai 2012 - 08:25 .

[Cyberarmy]

Eroeru, have you tried Eve online? Its quite "hardcore".

[Nordicus]

And yet Eroeru, you talk about the lack of content and difficulty in this game as if it is a fact.

Were you in closed beta or something?

[eroeru]

Eve online is a bit too space-aged for my tastes.

I haven't played Guild Wars yet (though I've watched quite a few reviews/vids about it. Given, I cannot go farther in my "accusations" than art-style, which I saw entirely, but I can also justifiably give account of the worthlessness of life in MMO's, and Guild Wars for that matter.

As to the difficulty in other segments, I do not know so well - but it seems more interesting than WoW in this regard (Y). I'll probably end up buying the game when it's on sale.

[Chris_Fury]

Damn i want this game !

[Morroian]

eroeru wrote...

Personally, I think Guild Wars offers too much flash, and "eye-candy".

Also, I really like the ideas behind it, and the developers - but there's really little content and difficulty for this game. 

Really little content? Based on what? There are 6 racial stories, the WvW and competitive pvp. And how do you know how difficult it is?

eroeru wrote...

It would be much more awesome, for example, if when you die, you're dead. Until some other player rescurrects you, you cannot play that char. This kind of game I'd play.

But not many others would, mmo especially have to cater to the market. Not many single p[layer rpgs even do that and it would be far easier to justify in a single player game. Given the progression in it is far more horizontally driven than other mmos it is different than the pack.

eroeru wrote...

I haven't played Guild Wars yet (though I've watched quite a few reviews/vids about it. Given, I cannot go farther in my "accusations" than art-style, 

Stating it has little content is hardly just an accusation, its a statement of fact, so its ridiculous to make such a statement if you have almost no knowledge of the game. 

Modifié par Morroian, 11 mai 2012 - 01:32 .

[Seagloom]

eroeru wrote...

Personally, I think Guild Wars offers too much flash, and "eye-candy".

Some of us like flash and eye candy. Two of the biggest draws of this game for me is that I get to nuke opposition with overblown magic and get to play character dress up. Ultra realism or grittiness is tiring. As you say though, it is a personal preference.

eroeru wrote...

Also, I really like the ideas behind it, and the developers - but there's really little content and difficulty for this game. It would be much more awesome, for example, if when you die, you're dead. Until some other player rescurrects you, you cannot play that char. This kind of game I'd play.

I'm all for challenging gameplay, but would personally hate that. At most, I would prefer to take a penalty for dying. The two reasons why are simple:

Firstly, playing games should ideally be a fun experience. If I pour endless hours grinding for levels and loot, only to have my character locked out until a good samaritan strolled by and raised me, it would suck. Not "what a shame" suck. More like "I will now split this disc in half and uninstall the game from my hard drive" levels of suck. Granted, there is a chance a generous player could show up in short order. However, there is also a chance my character could rot where she died for hours, or even days. If it was an optional, fine. There are NWN PWs I enjoyed with optional permadeath. Otherwise, no thanks.

Secondly, a great many people I have come across trying these games are ***hats. All it takes is one griefer for a harsh death penalty to get very frustrating.

Modifié par Seagloom, 11 mai 2012 - 02:05 .

[eroeru]

@Seagloom

Yup, that's all understandable. And I really think one server with this kind of gameplay would be fantastic. (about the resurrection thing - you could also do that with an alt).

@Morroian

I might have misused the term. I'm referring to content/options that cater to the more "hard-core" segment. And complex yet transparent skill/stat systems. I was not referring to the number of end-game instances.


edit: I like the kind of game where if I do something, anything, I feel pressed. This is a good feeling, and gives a sensation of advancing and overcoming troubles.

Modifié par eroeru, 11 mai 2012 - 02:26 .

[eroeru]

Also, I'd love the abundance of dead bodies lying around if my idea were implemented in this type of (fantasy-)war game. Or another aspect it can have is that players want to "clean up" some areas, so they'll rez the bodies there...

And against the notion that most players don't want this type of "hard-core" gameplay, just read about the DayZ ARMA2 mod that just came out and became super popular (we have a thread on this forum).

Modifié par eroeru, 12 mai 2012 - 08:50 .

[wolfsite]

www.gamespot.com/news/guild-wars-2-opening-june-28-report-6376809

Not confirmed but June 28 is being punched around as a possible street date.

[Seagloom]

Good. Good. By then I should have it preordered.

[Chromie]

Update: Here's a statement from NCsoft: "We have not released an official launch date within 2012 as feedback from our closed and open marketing betas will help us determine an exact release date. We will release Guild Wars 2 when it is ready."

[Seagloom]

Right. So June 28th it is. Whee!

[Morroian]

Personally I think its more likely to be July 28.

[Cyberarmy]

I come bearing great news, there will be a new beta weekend:
Beta Weekend Event 2 will begin on Friday, June 8th, at noon PDT (GMT-7) and will run until Sunday, June 10th, at 11:59 p.m. PDT (GMT-7).


http://www.arena.net...-2-beta-weekend


And they are saying "For those who haven’t yet pre-purchased Guild Wars 2, you’ll still have a chance to play in the beta. We’re teaming up with our partners to give away keys for Beta Weekend Event 2, so follow us on Twitter and Facebook to get the latest news."

Good news for anyone want to try the game without purchasing. You just need some luck

[Chromie]

Oh man! I'm so hunting down beta keys!

[Cyberarmy]

While we still aren't able to check out the asura and sylvari just yet, ArenaNet has added a lot of new features to the game:

    -Keep Your Characters!
    -Enter the Catacombs (Explorable Mode)
    -Visit Lovely Gendarran Fields
    -Unlock the Mysteries of the Mystic Forge
    -Expanded World vs. World
    -New Automated Player vs. Player Tournaments and More
    -Combat— “A Sense of Hitting”
    -Improved Overflow Servers
    -Improved Chat
    -New Key-Binding Feature
    -UI Improvements
    -Tiers for Skills
    -The Gem Store is under New Management

You can view the entire blog article here.

[The Jackal]

I been on the fence a while about getting this one. Since TOR keeps giving me that error. I might just spend that money on a new game. I want be sure it's worth it over TOR, can anyone answer.

[Cyberarmy]

As a die hard Star Wars fan nearly 25 years i say GW 2 is worth over ToR. Much much over. And you only pay when ypu buy it. No monthly fee. Its got 3 game types Structered pvp(BGs mainly) WorldVsWorldVsWorld pvp8zergfest but fun) and great PvE
However its combat is somewhat action based.
You can dodge attacks manually(as your endurance allows 2 rolls for standart)
You can use skills even your target is out of range and can waste your precious skill
You can equip 10 skill at max. First 5 is depending on your weapon choice the other 5 you get as explore and level up.

[Chromie]

Why are there no beta keys being given out? /cry

[The Jackal]

I decided to go ahead and buy this game. This is the stranded edition. They said they might let us up upgrade later. To be honest it didn't look like we needed anything expect small bonus that don't make a difference. Since I bought the game. I'm in the Beta for two days.

But I'm still in the beta and very much looking forward to playing it.

[Morroian]

JasonRocker wrote...

I decided to go ahead and buy this game. This is the stranded edition. They said they might let us up upgrade later. To be honest it didn't look like we needed anything expect small bonus that don't make a difference. Since I bought the game. I'm in the Beta for two days.
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BWE is really 3 days. Its a public holiday on Australia on Monday so I'm set. On Aust Eastern time it goes from 5am Sat to 5pm Monday.

Anyone form the last BWE who hasn't patched the game since I'd advise you to do it soon there's a 7GB download.

[Cyberarmy]

Yup upgraded mine a while ago, and canceled all my real life business for this weekend If you get error while upgrading, just try again and again.
Going to make my warrior 35 and try that dungeon of theirs.
BTW i have never imagined to enjoy a melee character this much, i was planning to play with a necro (Dat stave animations!) but warrior won me with his weapon arsenal and Chaars won me with their running animations