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[Gabriel S.]

Cicero.me wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

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I agree ,but I guess that the Protheans are going let the all powerful humans get it done.

I think they should have left them stay dead, or un-dead in the case of the Collectors, rather than bring something as important as this in a DLC.

Really, was there no other character they could have brought? A krogan Spectre. A salarian female transvestite working as a mercenary. A male quarian infiltrator class with a shotgun (I wonder who'll get the reference). I'm just spinning the roulette here. Why a damn prothean...

[ref]

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

I personally cannot support this and it frustrates me, but oh well. Some point people gotta make a stand, like TotalBiscuit said.

[Taleroth]

Refara wrote...

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

So what you're saying is DLC should only be boring characters?

A couple of years ago we would have been arguing that live Protheans can't even be in Mass Effect. And now people are arguing that they should be in by default.

[Gabriel S.]

Taleroth wrote...

Refara wrote...

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

So what you're saying is DLC should only be boring characters?

A couple of years ago we would have been arguing that live Protheans can't even be in Mass Effect. And now people are arguing that they should be in by default.

Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

...scratch that! It doesn't matter if you agree, THEY HAVE!

[DeathKong]

Protheans are VERY important to the story. If you played ME 1 and 2 you'll see that protheans play a huge part of the back story. This is why a lot of people are loosing it about the LIVE prothean crew member DLC.

I mean seriously EA, what the f*ck. Quit screwing your customers.

[Cicero.me]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Refara wrote...

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

So what you're saying is DLC should only be boring characters?

A couple of years ago we would have been arguing that live Protheans can't even be in Mass Effect. And now people are arguing that they should be in by default.

Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

...scratch that! It doesn't matter if you agree, THEY HAVE!

Thanks for your uni-lateral assertaion that they are important post Mass Effect 1. They are not and neither is Prothy. Are they important to fans? Yes. Thats me included. Important to plot in Mass Effect 3? Ehh, not so much.

[Candidate 88766]

I don't mind paying £8 more for ME3. Given how much I played ME1 and ME2 I'm probably going to play the hell out of this. Given that stores are selling it a fair bit below the RRP anyway its not the end of the world.

However, the reason I think he should be in the game is the surprise factor. Imagine going on a mission to uncover an artefact and finding a real, live Prothean. All the suspense is lost here. Wasted opportunity imo.

[Toshir]

byne wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Kasumi was 10 bucks, did you complain then?

Kasumi wasn't available from DAY ONE as a DLC. Stop with the idiotic comparisons.

So it's the fact the Prothean was done now that bugs you.

So if he'd been done...but they delayed him by a month, would you still be upset?

If he'd been delayed a month they'd be whining that he wasnt Day 1 DLC. I guarantee it.

BioWare fanboys are the worst in the industry. 

[Toshir]

byne wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Kasumi was 10 bucks, did you complain then?

Kasumi wasn't available from DAY ONE as a DLC. Stop with the idiotic comparisons.

So it's the fact the Prothean was done now that bugs you.

So if he'd been done...but they delayed him by a month, would you still be upset?

If he'd been delayed a month they'd be whining that he wasnt Day 1 DLC. I guarantee it.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem 

Make an actual argument please.

[Taleroth]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...


Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

I'd say lots of races have been integral to the plot. In lots of different ways. The Protheans were integral for what they had done. Not for being squadmembers. And something people considered integral about them was their being dead. And if he wasn't DLC, we'd probably be getting a billion threads about how his existence is "destroying lore." Instead it's this.

I get it, he's a cool squad member. But that doesn't mean he is personally critical in any way. He's just really cool. That's what people should want from DLC. They should want DLC to be cool stuff that they want.

[RiouHotaru]

Toshir wrote...

byne wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Kasumi was 10 bucks, did you complain then?

Kasumi wasn't available from DAY ONE as a DLC. Stop with the idiotic comparisons.

So it's the fact the Prothean was done now that bugs you.

So if he'd been done...but they delayed him by a month, would you still be upset?

If he'd been delayed a month they'd be whining that he wasnt Day 1 DLC. I guarantee it.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem 

Make an actual argument please.

I am.  People are complaining about the fact the Prothean will be available at launch.  Obviously the argument is because he's Day 1.

So the implied solution, is that if he wasn't released on Day 1, the complaints would be reduced.

[BiO]

Thanks, EA! We all love you very much!

Kind of disappointed in you, though. I thought the best ending would be DLC.

But hey, at least the Reapers aren't DLC... right?

Modifié par BiO_MaN, 22 février 2012 - 09:49 .

[Toshir]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

byne wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Kasumi was 10 bucks, did you complain then?

Kasumi wasn't available from DAY ONE as a DLC. Stop with the idiotic comparisons.

So it's the fact the Prothean was done now that bugs you.

So if he'd been done...but they delayed him by a month, would you still be upset?

If he'd been delayed a month they'd be whining that he wasnt Day 1 DLC. I guarantee it.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem 

Make an actual argument please.

I am.  People are complaining about the fact the Prothean will be available at launch.  Obviously the argument is because he's Day 1.

So the implied solution, is that if he wasn't released on Day 1, the complaints would be reduced.

Oh I see it's a oversimplifcation fo the actual argument rather than the distortion of it.  My apologies.  People don't want to spend 10 mroe dollars on content that should already be in the game if it's ready by the same date. It's a rational argument and these whining "arguments" are just reflections of their own whining.

Modifié par Toshir, 22 février 2012 - 09:50 .

[byne]

Toshir wrote...

byne wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Kasumi was 10 bucks, did you complain then?

Kasumi wasn't available from DAY ONE as a DLC. Stop with the idiotic comparisons.

So it's the fact the Prothean was done now that bugs you.

So if he'd been done...but they delayed him by a month, would you still be upset?

If he'd been delayed a month they'd be whining that he wasnt Day 1 DLC. I guarantee it.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Ad_hominem 

Make an actual argument please.

I dont feel I should have to make an actual argument against a bunch of people whining about having to spend 10 extra bucks on a game.

Maybe if Bioware was like "HEY BUY MASS EFFECT 3 PART 2 FOR $60 MORE AND YOU WILL UNLOCK THE ENDING OF THE GAME" I'd have sympathy to your point, but seeing as its $10 for a single squad member I cant say I have any sympathy at all.

[Gabriel S.]

Cicero.me wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Refara wrote...

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

So what you're saying is DLC should only be boring characters?

A couple of years ago we would have been arguing that live Protheans can't even be in Mass Effect. And now people are arguing that they should be in by default.

Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

...scratch that! It doesn't matter if you agree, THEY HAVE!

Thanks for your uni-lateral assertaion that they are important post Mass Effect 1. They are not and neither is Prothy. Are they important to fans? Yes. Thats me included. Important to plot in Mass Effect 3? Ehh, not so much.

Well excuse my "uni-lateral assertaion", but...

ME1: beacon, conduit, Vigil, foiled trap.
ME2: protheans' demise, Collectors, tools for Reapers, abducting colonies, thingy called "mandatory plot of ME2".
ME3: I dunno, DLC with a prothean squad mate, I dunno, I dunno etc

ME1, ME2: FRIGGIN' IMPORTANT!
ME3: DLC character (importance I dare say negligible)

That's called proof per assertion. Now considering that protheans have had an important role in ME1 and ME2, relegating a LIVING PROTHEAN to DLC seems tad um... stupid.

[byne]

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Cicero.me wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Refara wrote...

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

So what you're saying is DLC should only be boring characters?

A couple of years ago we would have been arguing that live Protheans can't even be in Mass Effect. And now people are arguing that they should be in by default.

Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

...scratch that! It doesn't matter if you agree, THEY HAVE!

Thanks for your uni-lateral assertaion that they are important post Mass Effect 1. They are not and neither is Prothy. Are they important to fans? Yes. Thats me included. Important to plot in Mass Effect 3? Ehh, not so much.

Well excuse my "uni-lateral assertaion", but...

ME1: beacon, conduit, Vigil, foiled trap.
ME2: protheans' demise, Collectors, tools for Reapers, abducting colonies, thingy called "mandatory plot of ME2".
ME3: I dunno, DLC with a prothean squad mate, I dunno, I dunno etc

ME1, ME2: FRIGGIN' IMPORTANT!
ME3: DLC character (importance I dare say negligible)

That's called proof per assertion. Now considering that protheans have had an important role in ME1 and ME2, relegating a LIVING PROTHEAN to DLC seems tad um... stupid.

Now that the Reapers are actually here, finding out what the protheans may have known about them doesnt really matter anymore.

Its not like the protheans had a secret war winning technology stored somewhere, seeing as how they lost.

Reapers are here, protheans are now irrelevant.

They were only relevant in ME2 because they were working for the reapers.

The Reapers have been the main focus of all the Mass Effect games, the protheans were just basically a device used to illustrate how horrible the Reapers are, since we never really got to see any of them in action, except for a short time where we saw Sovereign.

Modifié par byne, 22 février 2012 - 09:57 .

[Takamori The Templar]

@byne

Just proves that you have no argument and no sustained logic to counter the problem showed, so you just hide with the good ol classy "You seem upset", that makes the public image of a douchebag.

Guess what: No prothean beacon, no way that shepard would find out about the protheans and no Saren etc etc etc.

Modifié par Takamori The Templar, 22 février 2012 - 09:57 .

[Gabriel S.]

Taleroth wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...


Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

I'd say lots of races have been integral to the plot. In lots of different ways. The Protheans were integral for what they had done. Not for being squadmembers. And something people considered integral about them was their being dead. And if he wasn't DLC, we'd probably be getting a billion threads about how his existence is "destroying lore." Instead it's this.

I get it, he's a cool squad member. But that doesn't mean he is personally critical in any way. He's just really cool. That's what people should want from DLC. They should want DLC to be cool stuff that they want.

That's perfectly reasonable, but they're not DEAD SPECIES. THAT's my problem. One would think that a resurrection of a dead species would bring some attention or some sh... more attention. I'd bring up how poorly the rachni situation was handled.

[byne]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

@byne

Just proves that you have no argument and no sustained logic to counter the problem showed, so you just hide with the good ol classy "You seem upset", that makes the public image of a douchebag.

I'm glad you got 'douchebag' from that post, as thats what I was going for, and I'm glad it came across.

Faux-doucheyness aside, I just really dont care that much, but I felt like picking a side.

Would I prefer it to be free like Zaeed or better yet fully integrated with no need for downloading? Yes

Am I mad that it isnt? Not really.

Both sides have some good points, but they're also both way too self-righteous.

[DaJe]

byne wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Toshir wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Kasumi was 10 bucks, did you complain then?

Kasumi wasn't available from DAY ONE as a DLC. Stop with the idiotic comparisons.

So it's the fact the Prothean was done now that bugs you.

So if he'd been done...but they delayed him by a month, would you still be upset?

If he'd been delayed a month they'd be whining that he wasnt Day 1 DLC. I guarantee it.

Not the same people. Stop generalizing.

[byne]

DaJe wrote...

Not the same people. Stop generalizing.

Sir, generalizing is what I do.

[OdanUrr]

byne wrote...

Its not like the protheans had a secret war winning technology stored somewhere, seeing as how they lost.

Are you sure?

[DaJe]

Cicero.me wrote...

Gabriel Stelinski wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Refara wrote...

A character that is so important and potentially interesting as a live Prothean, he should be included on the disc, or at least available for new copies of ANY version of the game, like Zaeed.

So what you're saying is DLC should only be boring characters?

A couple of years ago we would have been arguing that live Protheans can't even be in Mass Effect. And now people are arguing that they should be in by default.

Yes. Or do you not agree that protheans have been integral to the plot of both ME1 and ME2.

...scratch that! It doesn't matter if you agree, THEY HAVE!

Thanks for your uni-lateral assertaion that they are important post Mass Effect 1. They are not and neither is Prothy. Are they important to fans? Yes. Thats me included. Important to plot in Mass Effect 3? Ehh, not so much.

Many war assets in ME3 are prothean. The first thing you do after you leave earth is going to the prothean ruins on mars (AFAIK). The collectors are repurposed protheans, a major plot point in ME2. The Reaper invasion would have been drasticly different without the conduit and past prothean influence.
They have always been a crucial part of the series, that is not limited to ME1. Suggesting otherwise shows ignorance for the story.

[AnthonyF27]

Just a thought. If there is a prothean squad mate, well then there has to be more than one prothean for him to be around 50K years after they got "wiped out." I'm starting to think that there will be other protheans in this story besides him.

[byne]

AnthonyF27 wrote...

Just a thought. If there is a prothean squad mate, well then there has to be more than one prothean for him to be around 50K years after they got "wiped out." I'm starting to think that there will be other protheans in this story besides him.

My understanding is that he was in stasis or something. Maybe his stasis pod had a better generator than the ones on Ilos did.