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[VirtualAlex]

 I unlocked the rev, couldn't be more excited to try it out.

It shoots confetti. Is this for real? It has a slower DPS than almost every other gone in the game. Acutually, maybe EVERY other gun in the game.

But at least its very heavy. Whats going on here?

[InstaShark]

Works really well on Bronze, imo. Other than that, I switch classes/weapons.

[GroverA 125]

VirtualAlex wrote...

 I unlocked the rev, couldn't be more excited to try it out.

It shoots confetti. Is this for real? It has a slower DPS than almost every other gone in the game. Acutually, maybe EVERY other gun in the game.

But at least its very heavy. Whats going on here?

Bioware were watching too many movies with people firing MGs and missing every target in front of them, then they based it on that. As you can see, the result is a weapon that has no real purpose, due to its shambolic recoil, DPS (even if recoil is ignored) and basic accuracy, as well as weight.

[The Makatak]

Get it to X.

Your opinion will change.

...Now, of course, don't expect to do that in the demo. But the Devs have sort of been dropping implications that that gun in particular significantly improves as it ranks up. Seeing as all of my main guns are at X and are generally pretty awesome, I can't wait to see what happens when we get some of the gold ones up there too.

[GroverA 125]

The Makatak wrote...

Get it to X.

Your opinion will change.

...Now, of course, don't expect to do that in the demo. But the Devs have sort of been dropping implications that that gun in particular significantly improves as it ranks up. Seeing as all of my main guns are at X and are generally pretty awesome, I can't wait to see what happens when we get some of the gold ones up there too.

You realise that I have done the statistics in my head, and that if a revenant has a 5% chance of being unlocked (which I believe is higher than what it already is), then statistically it should take around 20 veteran packs to unlock a single mod, and in total, will require 4000 veteran packs to unlock, which is the equivalent of 80,000,000 credits, which is statistically around 2500 completed silver matches and at around 15-25 minutes per game, that's over 88 hours of total gameplay to reach maximum level with it? You expect people to play for that long to get a single weapon good, whereas you could just use any other weapon, which will be equally, if not more deadly at maximum level?

[Emberwake]

Its been observed that the Revenant really shines in the hands of a Turian Sentinel, who can unlock a massive 70% weapon stability bonus. It will never be a sniper rifle, but with the right character, skills, and upgrades, this gun can actually be amazing.

[mybudgee]

Nerfed to death

[GroverA 125]

Lochias WH wrote...

Its been observed that the Revenant really shines in the hands of a Turian Sentinel, who can unlock a massive 70% weapon stability bonus. It will never be a sniper rifle, but with the right character, skills, and upgrades, this gun can actually be amazing.

It doesn't, trust me on this, that 30% stability still does nothing for it, and I've maxed out my turian sentinel specifically for using it, and still can't deal enough damage at long enough ranges for me to say "yeah, this thing isn't the weakest weapon I have seen so far". As a matter of fact, whenever I'm firing it, I am usually swearing, yelling threats that would make an angry russian loan shark blush in humiliation towards it.

Even with a turian, you're still FAR better of using any other weapon, and honestly, any other weapon type, the stability is nice, but you'll kill far quicker with high-caliber weapons.

[darkblade]

i would play that long, been playing dissdia for hours just to get terra up to a respectable build and when she got powerful it was really a game changer. Imagine if the revenant is mediocre most game then the X upgrade makes it crazy powerful like a slightly buffed version of the ME2 one.

[Barfwak]

The recoil isn't even the problem - the base accuracy is the problem. Even if you use a stability mod from cover on a turian the massive spread of the weapon is going to make it difficult to hit anything.

The only way it seemed passable as to use it on a human soldier with adrenaline rush against an atlas. At least in that (rather overly specific) situation the weapon did seem to perform quite well. Of course, you have to maintain line of sight with the target for the entire duration for it to be effective...

[vonSlash]

GroverA 125 wrote...

Lochias WH wrote...

Its been observed that the Revenant really shines in the hands of a Turian Sentinel, who can unlock a massive 70% weapon stability bonus. It will never be a sniper rifle, but with the right character, skills, and upgrades, this gun can actually be amazing.

It doesn't, trust me on this, that 30% stability still does nothing for it, and I've maxed out my turian sentinel specifically for using it, and still can't deal enough damage at long enough ranges for me to say "yeah, this thing isn't the weakest weapon I have seen so far". As a matter of fact, whenever I'm firing it, I am usually swearing, yelling threats that would make an angry russian loan shark blush in humiliation towards it.

Even with a turian, you're still FAR better of using any other weapon, and honestly, any other weapon type, the stability is nice, but you'll kill far quicker with high-caliber weapons.

Underlined the problem for you.

The Revenant is not, and was likely never intended to be, a long-range weapon. It's sole purpose is to be a high-powered automatic weapon for close ranges, which it does well (far better than a Tempest or an Avenger, at least). I prefer to think of it as the automatic alternative to a shotgun. If you find the need to deal damage at long range, and don't have powers that can do that, bring a scoped pistol along.

Also, to the earlier comments about the Revenant levels, I've noticed a substanial improvement between ranks of the Revenant as I've unlocked them, so Revenant X is likely going to be extremely potent up close.

[GuyWithFace]

GroverA 125 wrote...

You realise that I have done the statistics in my head, and that if a revenant has a 5% chance of being unlocked (which I believe is higher than what it already is), then statistically it should take around 20 veteran packs to unlock a single mod, and in total, will require 4000 veteran packs to unlock, which is the equivalent of 80,000,000 credits, which is statistically around 2500 completed silver matches and at around 15-25 minutes per game, that's over 88 hours of total gameplay to reach maximum level with it? You expect people to play for that long to get a single weapon good, whereas you could just use any other weapon, which will be equally, if not more deadly at maximum level?

Your equation doesn't take into account that after your get your other weapons to level X, you can't get those cards again. If they fix the ability to get character card after you've already maxed their appearance options, than you'll be able to level up weapons relatively quickly with Veteran packs.

Modifié par GuyWithFace, 22 février 2012 - 09:55 .

[Adanu]

If you want a long range rifle, use an avenger. If you want a high powered up close constant death machinbe, use the Revenant.

[Bhatair]

I use it on my melee focused Krogan soldier, works well to spray at people while I close in for a charge. With a scoped Carnifex on the side for range it works out well, and my weight isn't even in the red.
Granted, I don't play above bronze with that character.. at least not yet. For now he's just a fun character I like to jump in and cause some havok on an easier difficulty with. I have no idea if he would really be viable on silver. I just like to make the ragdolls go flying heh.

[Atmosfear3]

All the automatic weapons are garbage tbh. I guess they are meant to be paired with ammo powers so you get maximum coverage with whatever effects your ammo provides.

[vonSlash]

chief0390 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

If you want a long range rifle, use an avenger. If you want a high powered up close constant death machinbe, use the Revenant.

Just use a shotgun with the avenger and you can cover both ranges at the same weight as using using the Revenant alone.

The Revenant is only good if you NEVER intend to engage the enemy from a distance over 3 meters.

3 meters? Either you're obsessive about having 100% accuracy, or you're aim's even worse than mine, because I find the Revenant's accuracy to be satisfactory to about 20-25 meters with most of the bullets hitting a target.

[Greystone]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere here on the forums that:

A. Revenant has one of the highest chances per bullet to stagger the enemy giving the rifle a very strong suppression affect/soft cc.

and B. Has access to armor penetration mods that I guess allow you to deal damage through guardian shield and bypass a certain amount of defenses?

I know on my turian sentinel with just his passive 70% stability and rank 1 revenant with plus ammo clip size that I can see it's potential.

I'm willing to bet that a rank 10 revenant with rank 10 piercing mod and stability mod or damage mod depending on what range you want to be most effective at will be very effective as a team support.

Suppressive fire and team support roles can be just as beneficial as a guy that kills stuff super fast.

Every time I play my turian sentinel we win and all I do is follow my team and spray targets for the most part.

[Adanu]

chief0390 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

If you want a long range rifle, use an avenger. If you want a high powered up close constant death machinbe, use the Revenant.

Just use a shotgun with the avenger and you can cover both ranges at the same weight as using using the Revenant alone.

The Revenant is only good if you NEVER intend to engage the enemy from a distance over 3 meters.

Shotguns aren't a constant spray with knockback. Revenant is.

[Arbiter156]

trust me when i say that at level 1 the revenant is excellent, it has roughly the same base stats as an avenger at level 10. (weight and accuracy aside). when upgraded to say level 5 i have the feeling it will really come into its own. if you equip it with the stability mod and the scope, then even at long range you can mop up a considerable amount of kills on bronze. the problem is that only hlaf of the content from the full game is in the demo, i.e all those extra med packs you are earning would in the full game, be other mods, weapons, upgrades for weapons like the revenant etc. so in the demo its is best avoided on silver or above. but i can see staggering potential for it in the full game. its the weapon to watch if you ask me.

[Skullheart]

When I unlocked the revenant, teh first thing I did was using it against a guardian. I wasted an entire clip and they didn't even drop their shield.

[vonSlash]

Skullheart wrote...

When I unlocked the revenant, teh first thing I did was using it against a guardian. I wasted an entire clip and they didn't even drop their shield.

Stun him with a power, then kill him with the Revenant after he flinches. The gun simply isn't designed to mail-slot a Guardian.

However, this will be a non-issue in the full game if you equip it with armor-piercing mods.

[Jestina]

Yeah, most of the unlocks were disappointments. A heavy machine gun that does less damage than a handgun...what a joke. I hope they bring the vindicator assault rifle to multi-play, that one was my favorite in ME2.