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[legion999]

Zanath wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

Can someone explain to me - the rationality behind deserving something for free that others are paying for?

This is part of what some are spending an extra $20 dollars for with the N7 edition. Why should those, who chose to buy the regular version, be entitled to it at no extra cost?

Because when you buy a game, you should be getting the whole game and not the cut version ?

The stupidity of fanboys will never cease to amaze me...

The stupidity of those who believe they are intelligent will never cease to amaze me...
See how easy it is?

[Il Divo]

DJBare wrote...

Wait, you are in support of this practice?, I guess I'm a little taken back after your protest over the whole trial thing.

Are the two really mutually exclusive? I also wanted a trial, but don't see the problem others do. I certainly don't like the idea of having to pay extra for anything, but it is their product to distribute as they wish. Just don't expect to make any friends in the process with a cutthroat business attitude.

[Militarized]

AresXX7 wrote...

Can someone explain to me - the rationality behind deserving something for free that others are paying for?

This is part of what some are spending an extra $20 dollars for with the N7 edition. Why should those, who chose to buy the regular version, be entitled to it at no extra cost?

Because it is not, originally, extra content. It is in your disc, you pay 10 dollars to UNLOCK content that should already be in the game. The CE should have it for free, as well as everyone else, because it is obviously part of the game. They are spending their extra 20 dollars on a poster, an art book, a sound track and numerous other little things that the regular edition does not have. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Yuoaman wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

Can someone explain to me - the rationality behind deserving something for free that others are paying for?

This is part of what some are spending an extra $20 dollars for with the N7 edition. Why should those, who chose to buy the regular version, be entitled to it at no extra cost?

Mob mentality and easily persuaded people led by the hand of someone else. Entitlement and knee jerk reactions.

It's because the Protheans are a huge part of the Mass Effect lore and depriving a Prothean character from those who don't fork up an extra $10 is a dick move by EA and Bioware.

Not depriving you of anything.. You can have him or not if chose, he is not in realms of 'unable to obtain'. Given he is DLC shows that his impact on the game is superficial at best.

[Wevyc]

AresXX7 wrote...

Can someone explain to me - the rationality behind deserving something for free that others are paying for?

This is part of what some are spending an extra $20 dollars for with the N7 edition.

You are asking yourself the wrong question.  Ask yourself why in-game content should be an incentive to buy a collector's edition.  Collector's editions have always been about the extra goodies outside of the game: art books, soundtracks, figurines, strategy guides, high quality maps, posters, high quality case, etc.

[Militarized]

legion999 wrote...

Zanath wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

Can someone explain to me - the rationality behind deserving something for free that others are paying for?

This is part of what some are spending an extra $20 dollars for with the N7 edition. Why should those, who chose to buy the regular version, be entitled to it at no extra cost?

Because when you buy a game, you should be getting the whole game and not the cut version ?

The stupidity of fanboys will never cease to amaze me...

The stupidity of those who believe they are intelligent will never cease to amaze me...
See how easy it is?

You didn't make a counter-point to what he said, so you kind of failed. 

[ElementL09]

Even though I don't condone a practice like this (its starting to get common in video games these days), I wish you the best of luck in not purchasing Mass Effect 3.

I will purchase Mass Effect 3 (CE) not because it has Prothean DLC or an Online pass or extra dlc, I will purchase it because Mass Effect was a great game, and so was Mass Effect 2.

[Kog27]

Preorder cancelled, the crappy demo didnt help either. Gameplay is worse than the previous 2 games. Graphics are horrible too. Ill wait till its $10 or less. Until then, go to hell.

cya

[TheOptimist]

Akaranz wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

The thing is, I agree with TotalBiscuit - this is absolute bull****. But I'm still buying the game, my love for the Mass Effect series outweighs my anger over this bull****.

Renting so no money for Bioware/EA from me. Tough choice if I were a PC gamer though...

Hardly, many will just pirate it.

exactly, this is going to backfire on Bioware, so many will pirate the game now...

Because god knows a company making a profit on something it spent years and millions of dollars producing would be a travesty. 

[Dionkey]

TheOptimist wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
 I LOVE BioWare, but I HATE what they've become. They sold out to EA in hopes of a bigger budget to create more impressive games and have now been bent into a corporate machine.

Fight the power, and all that.

It's a bit cliche, but what else do you want me to call it? BioWare was much more sincere, genuine, and could be considered the best developer to exist at the time BEFORE they were bought by EA. I know a lot of you guys love BioWare's games, and I understand that, but you shouldn't support them for that sole reason. Try to look at the ethics behind it, people.

Why not?  As long as they continue to produce quality games, I will continue to buy those games.  I have yet to be disappointed (Yes, I liked DA2).  And since I do not mind paying for content that would normally not be included, I will continue to buy DLC.  If there is DLC I do not want (and there has been) I will not purchase it.  That simple.  This 'ethics' stuff people keep talking about is just nonsense.

Please, let me explain this to you:

Mass Effect 3 is $60
One play-through is said to take 18-24 hours (or around ME2's length).
That means you're getting 1 hour of content for $3, never mind NewGame+

FINE! That's fantastic! That's what a game should be!

However, the DLC chracter is $10.
That means we should expect at least 3-4 hours of content out of that character. We all know that the missions included with these characters are usually 20-30 minutes, along with a bit of dialogue. 

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. If we paid $10 per squaddie, you wouldn't even have a full crew at $60. How would you like buying the game, getting Garrus, Ashley, Vega, Liara, Tali, and The Prothean, and then that's it? No missions, no story, no cutscenes, etc. With this kind of logic, that's exactly what you'd get!

Do you realize how contored this is? Not only this, but the content was finished BEFORE the game went gold, which means they DELIBERATELY removed important content from the game to OVERPRICE it and sell it later.

C'mon, do the math, Christ.

[VeR0se]

[Maj.Pain007]

C4551DY wrote...

Its amazing how many people are forming this opinion after TB released a video about it...

Most people can't form their own opinions they let others do it for them.

[Yuoaman]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresXX7 wrote...

Can someone explain to me - the rationality behind deserving something for free that others are paying for?

This is part of what some are spending an extra $20 dollars for with the N7 edition. Why should those, who chose to buy the regular version, be entitled to it at no extra cost?

Mob mentality and easily persuaded people led by the hand of someone else. Entitlement and knee jerk reactions.

It's because the Protheans are a huge part of the Mass Effect lore and depriving a Prothean character from those who don't fork up an extra $10 is a dick move by EA and Bioware.

Not depriving you of anything.. You can have him or not if chose, he is not in realms of 'unable to obtain'. Given he is DLC shows that his impact on the game is superficial at best.

I know his involvment in the plot isn't great, but he reveals a decent amount of information about the Protheans which should not be exclusive to people who spend more money.

[Militarized]

aLucidMind wrote...

It is sad how so many seem to think day one DLC and the like is all content removed from the disc, despite the fact that making that claim proves that they don't know the facts and would rather spout their excessive entitlement issues along with their fact-less opinions instead of actually doing research into how and why day-one DLC is made.

Since you've done your research you obviously have the knowledge to provide said links, proving your point. Please go ahead and do so. 

[Niemack Saarinen]

Don't understand the entitlement mentality. EA didn't break down your front door in the middle of the night, rape your mother, kill your dad then demand you pay them 10$ for a DLC. YOU have the choice to buy ME3 or not. its as simple as that, they don't owe you anything at all. Don't like that the DLC character wasn't included? dont buy the game, dont buy the dlc. Quick, easy, simple.

[Dragoonlordz]

DJBare wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Mob mentality and easily persuaded people led by the hand of someone else. Entitlement and knee jerk reactions.

Wait, you are in support of this practice?, I guess I'm a little taken back after your protest over the whole trial thing.

In the trial thread I am putting forward suggestions to improve my enjoyment in that part of the game, expressed some disappointment but in no way at all have I inferred or suggested they are not entitled to make the game the way they have. In fact I even said I want DLC ideally in order to resolve it and just consider it a missed opportunity story wise for me. But because my enjoyment is subjective and my preference to have longer introduction sequence is my own personal tastes it is different to the entitlement way people are talking about in here for companion DLC. My input in the other thread is feedback, the type of dialogue in here has crossed from feedback to entitlement. People are only entitled to the product that is advertised and sold as upon which it is up to them to purchase or skip.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 22 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[Il Divo]

aLucidMind wrote...

It is sad how so many seem to think day one DLC and the like is all content removed from the disc, despite the fact that making that claim proves that they don't know the facts and would rather spout their excessive entitlement issues along with their baseless opinions instead of actually doing research into how and why day-one DLC is made.

Personally, I don't think it's all that relevant whether the content was removed or specifically designed. I buy dlc based on whether I enjoyed the actual game. Ex: I loved ME2 and have every dlc, otoh I thought DA2 was "decent" and haven't touched any of the dlc. I'll make a similar decision regarding the Prothean based on how much I enjoy ME3. If it's a great game, I won't care whether the Prothean was ripped out. If it's crap, then I won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

Modifié par Il Divo, 22 février 2012 - 10:26 .

[Phaedon]

Dionkey wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
 I LOVE BioWare, but I HATE what they've become. They sold out to EA in hopes of a bigger budget to create more impressive games and have now been bent into a corporate machine.

Fight the power, and all that.

It's a bit cliche, but what else do you want me to call it? BioWare was much more sincere, genuine, and could be considered the best developer to exist at the time BEFORE they were bought by EA. I know a lot of you guys love BioWare's games, and I understand that, but you shouldn't support them for that sole reason. Try to look at the ethics behind it, people.

I call it complaining about a corporation seeking profit in a capitalist market.

Just scream various Braveheart quotes while revolting, OK?

[AkiKishi]

TommyServo wrote...

Zanath wrote...

Because when you buy a game, you should be getting the whole game and not the cut version ?

The stupidity of fanboys will never cease to amaze me...

If you shell out for a special edition, you understandably get a bonus. In this case, it's a bonus that other people might want, so they offer it for less than the difference between the standard edition and the special edition.

Again, not seeing a problem here.

When I got the War in the North CE It came with a Troll model. The game itself was the same as the normal edition. That is the best way to handle CE's the reason publishers like DLC CE's is because it costs nothing to make another copy.

[Candidate 88766]

Given how much I, and indeed many others, enjoyed ME1 and ME2, paying £8 extra to get the 'full' game isn't that much of a deal. For starters, everywhere is currently selling ME3 below the RRP. And I imagine that ME3 with give you a lot more value for money content-wise than most other games.

[realguile]

wolfsite wrote...

Meh, if they kept it exclusive to the CE people would have complained anyways.

So they do something nice and make it available to people who didn't buy the CE so they don't have to go looking for an extra CE floating around and spend more money than they have to so they can experience optional content...... and people still complain.


And if Bioware gave these people a chest full of gold.... they would complain that is was heavy.

gold star 4 you sir.

[Heggis]

kthxbye

[Atakuma]

aLucidMind wrote...

It is sad how so many seem to think day one DLC and the like is all content removed from the disc, despite the fact that making that claim proves that they don't know the facts and would rather spout their excessive entitlement issues along with their fact-less opinions instead of actually doing research into how and why day-one DLC is made.

This is clearly cut content though, it was in the script and it's existence has been known since summer. This is not something they made in their free time, it's a fully integrated peice of the game.

Modifié par Atakuma, 22 février 2012 - 10:28 .