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[Chuck Fandango]

I_Jedi wrote...

You forgot about Kaidan. He's a major, and shepard is low-ranking scum.

I don't mean to be picky here but technically Kaidan & Shepard are the same rank!

Since nobody has done a canon rank structure for the Alliance, I assume BioWare used the US military rank structure. Shepard is a Lt. Commander (Navy rank) & Kaidan is a Major (Army & Marine rank) These two ranks are the equivelant of each other, & in that case, commission date decides who has command & since Shepard was a Lt.Commander whilst Kaidan was a Lieutenant, Shepard has seniority & command!!

[Wulfram]

There is a canon rank structure, and Major ranks the same as Captain.
http://masseffect.wi..._Military_Ranks

Yes, it's wierd

[Sabbatine]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Shepard. This has been discussed to death. In fact, Kaidan outranks Shep is he's the VS.

But still. Shepard.

Nobody outranks the commander on his own ship

[AlexXIV]

Sabbatine wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Shepard. This has been discussed to death. In fact, Kaidan outranks Shep is he's the VS.

But still. Shepard.

Nobody outranks the commander on his own ship

Shep's the commander because he/she is the one in command. Always. Except inbetween the games where he/she is either dead or locked away.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 23 février 2012 - 12:25 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Kaidan actually outranks Shepard (even if he's promoted to Staff Commander) because he's a Major. But, here's my theory on why he doesn't command the Normandy:

Major is equivalent to the rank of Captain. This is given to the leaders of Marine garrisons, and Captains command the ships. So, once you're promoted to this rank, you can either be a commander of ground forces or a ship...Ship = Captain, Ground Forces = Major. Just my thoughts.

[Palathas]

Shepard was promoted to Commander in ME1 after she/he became a SPECTRE, they were also made the Captain of the Normandy. So no matter what other ranks are involved, when on the Normandy he/she is in charge.

Modifié par Palathas, 23 février 2012 - 12:30 .

[Almostfaceman]

Thanks for the info Chris.

[ElementL09]

Is Shepard still a Spectre?

[Mclouvins]

We need an empty Normandy flying camera trailer to see her in all her alliance blue-y goodness.

[KainrycKarr]

Palathas wrote...

Shepard was promoted to Commander in ME1 after she/he became a SPECTRE, they were also made the Captain of the Normandy. So no matter what other ranks are involved, when on the Normandy he/she is in charge.

I don't recall being promoted specifically to Commander in ME1.

[chengthao]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Palathas wrote...

Shepard was promoted to Commander in ME1 after she/he became a SPECTRE, they were also made the Captain of the Normandy. So no matter what other ranks are involved, when on the Normandy he/she is in charge.

I don't recall being promoted specifically to Commander in ME1.

there is no Commander rank

enlisted:
Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal
Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief

officers:
2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

[Newnation]

Palathas wrote...

Shepard was promoted to Commander in ME1 after she/he became a SPECTRE, they were also made the Captain of the Normandy. So no matter what other ranks are involved, when on the Normandy he/she is in charge.

I thought Shepard started the game off as a Lt.cmdr and the only thing he got was the title of Spectre and the command of the Normandy.

[ACSSolver]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Shepard commands the Normandy and reports to Admiral Hackett who leads the Alliance military.

Does this also mean that Hackett got a promotion? He was in charge of the Alliance Fifth Fleet previously, so presumably he, along with the other fleet leaders, reported to some other Admiral in charge of the entire Alliance military.

[Palathas]

Newnation wrote...

Palathas wrote...

Shepard was promoted to Commander in ME1 after she/he became a SPECTRE, they were also made the Captain of the Normandy. So no matter what other ranks are involved, when on the Normandy he/she is in charge.

I thought Shepard started the game off as a Lt.cmdr and the only thing he got was the title of Spectre and the command of the Normandy.

If what chengthao has written is true then they must have just been shortening the rank to Commander. Because before you get the Normandy Anderson and everyone else specifically called Shepard Lt Commander and then afterwards and in ME2 they called Shepard just Commander.

That list of chengthao's would also make sense of what happened to Kaiden as he was a Lt in ME1, Commander in ME2. Well that's what the dialogue specifically calls him. It seemed odd that Kaiden would have a lower or equal rank to Ashley but that list shows that it was actually higher. It still seems a little odd that Ashley went from an enlisted rank to comissioned rank so fast considering her family's past and how she kept getting looked over. Shepard obviously had a massive impact on her career prospects with Alliance Command.

I can only base my knowledge of ranks from the Australian Defence Force which derived their ranks from the British Defence Forces.

ADF

Army \\ Navy \\ Airforce
Captain \\ Lieutenant \\ Flight Lieutenant
Major \\ Lt Commander \\ Squaron Leader
Lt Colonel \\ Commander \\ Wing Commander

Modifié par Palathas, 23 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[SJK93]

ElementL09 wrote...

Is Shepard still a Spectre?

If you get reinstated by the Council in ME2, then yes. If not, then no.

[ElementL09]

SJK93 wrote...

ElementL09 wrote...

Is Shepard still a Spectre?

If you get reinstated by the Council in ME2, then yes. If not, then no.

Thank you, it wasn't specified in the demo and I was reinstated.  I hope my status still helps in Mass Effect 3.

[Chala]

ACSSolver wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Shepard commands the Normandy and reports to Admiral Hackett who leads the Alliance military.

Does this also mean that Hackett got a promotion? He was in charge of the Alliance Fifth Fleet previously, so presumably he, along with the other fleet leaders, reported to some other Admiral in charge of the entire Alliance military.

Probably...
Or maybe the rest is dead/mia/stayed on earth (Anderson) and he is the guy with the highest rank around that is available to command the fleets.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Shepard commands the Normandy and reports to Admiral Hackett who leads the Alliance military.

isn't having only one Admiral in charge of an entire fleet a bit stupid, what are the other Admirals in charge of, office supplies? and what if Hackett's ship is shot down who leads then?

Modifié par DinoSteve, 23 février 2012 - 01:26 .

[Julia343]

Shepard is in command of the missions unless Williams wants to join Lt. Alenko (or unless Alenko wants to join Gunnery Chief Williams). Spectre or no Spectre. End of thread. I don't care what the brass says.

[BKnight3]

DinoSteve wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Shepard commands the Normandy and reports to Admiral Hackett who leads the Alliance military.

isn't having only one Admiral in charge of an entire fleet a bit stupid, what are the other Admirals in charge of, office supplies? and what if Hackett's ship is shot down who leads then?

FYI, traditionally an admiral commands a fleet.  There is usually more than one fleet in such nations/powers.  

Keep in mind, some admirals do things like intelligence gathering, research, and medical commands.

[mghjr6]

If what chengthao has written is true then they must have just been shortening the rank to Commander. Because before you get the Normandy Anderson and everyone else specifically called Shepard Lt Commander and then afterwards and in ME2 they called Shepard just Commander.

That list of chengthao's would also make sense of what happened to Kaiden as he was a Lt in ME1, Commander in ME2. Well that's what the dialogue specifically calls him. It seemed odd that Kaiden would have a lower or equal rank to Ashley but that list shows that it was actually higher. It still seems a little odd that Ashley went from an enlisted rank to comissioned rank so fast considering her family's past and how she kept getting looked over. Shepard obviously had a massive impact on her career prospects with Alliance Command.

I can only base my knowledge of ranks from the Australian Defence Force which derived their ranks from the British Defence Forces.

ADF

Army Navy Airforce
Captain Lieutenant Flight Lieutenant
Major Lt Commander Squaron Leader
Lt Colonel Commander Wing Commander

I was just playing the beginning of ME1 last night. He/she was never referred to as Lt. Commander. Just Commander, right from the beginning. His/her rank has not changed since the start of ME1. There has been no promotion. He/she is simply referred to as Commander for simplicity's sake right from jump street. There was Medal of Honor on the desk in the Captain's cabin on SR2 (Achievments), but no promotion. Then he/she died, was brought back, and is just being reinstated. No promotion, yet.

*edit

On a side note, I always thought that it was weird that, as a matter of pride it seems, Shepard refers to him/herself as a Marine, yet follows the Navy side of the ranks.

Modifié par mghjr6, 23 février 2012 - 01:51 .

[Legendaryred]

Shepard is still a spectre so he/she don't need no puny alliance rank. Plus even if my shepard weren't a spectre who on earth can stop me? I'm just do and go wherever i want and not even the collectors could stop me muahahahahahahahahah.

[X-Frame]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Who was in charge during Shepard's absence

Between ME2 and ME3, the Normandy was taken back by the Alliance, retrofitted (hence the changes you'll see on board) and was under the control of Admiral Anderson.

"Taken back"?

But the SR2 is a Cerberus vessel, not an Alliance one. Built was scratch IIRC. So the Alliance basically steals the SR2 because the SR1 is scrap metal in space somewhere .. am I wrong?

[JorSpec2012]

Staff Commander or Captain would still been better ,yet everyone will still call him Commander out of respect.

[Palathas]

Legendaryred wrote...

Shepard is still a spectre so he/she don't need no puny alliance rank. Plus even if my shepard weren't a spectre who on earth can stop me? I'm just do and go wherever i want and not even the collectors could stop me muahahahahahahahahah.

Yeah, I always found this funny. The leaders of the Alliance want to be a big part and voice in the Galactic community and Council but they don't want to respect the appointed positions of the Council such as Spectre. So techically Shepard could have told the Alliance to bash it where the sun doesn't shine. I guess for simplicity sake, also due to the fact that in ME2 you may not have been reinstated as a Spectre, Shepard just complies with Alliance Command.

Modifié par Palathas, 23 février 2012 - 03:33 .