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[Lard]

 I mean I really enjoyed the first game, and liked the backstory and universe they created for it but there is just too much BS regarding DLC for this series. 

It's pretty much impossible to get a full copy of either ME2 or ME3 (which is being ****d out to ridiculous levels), so I'm content to not support the BS surrounding the sequels and consider the first game as the only game in the series. 

Am I the only one?

[Arkalezth]

You know, the fact that you don't buy something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

[Lard]

The fact that I can buy something and still not get 1/4 - 1/3 of the game doesn't make it right either.

[SpockLives]

The fact that you don't like DLC doesn't change the fact that you are in fact getting the full game when you get the core game. ME1? It had DLC, too. Does that mean you didn't get the whole game? Don't think so. ME1 and 2 are fully complete games without DLC. DLC is the new expansion pack. Did expansion packs in the old days mean that you weren't getting the full game? No.

What you do with your money is, of course, your business. It doesn't change the fact that ME2 is a complete game without any DLC. Don't want DLC, then don't buy it. Don't want the game, then don't buy it.

Modifié par SpockLives, 22 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[Lard]

Content that is deliberately cut out of the game and held back to be sold separately to gouge consumers does not mean that a game is complete. Just the opposite in fact.

I don't know how anyone can look at the monetising of content in ME3 and argue with a straight face that the core game is "complete".

The *fact* is the opposite.

[Gildon Mathrews]

Yeah, I'll be buying ME1 when I can. And I kind of agree with the topic creator's opinion, the game by itself was entirely different in feel and what have you. Let him/her decide what their reality consists of, it won't hurt anyone if they block out the most recent games. I'd kind of compare it to a good experience and bad experience. Most people want to enjoy that experience. Of course, the experience, and whether or not it's good or bad varies from person to person.

Modifié par Gildon Mathrews, 23 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[Arkalezth]

When did I say that it was right? My point is that, regardless of what you buy, more things exist, so no, even if I only owned ME1, I wouldn't "consider it as the only game in the series", simply because it isn't.

[Gildon Mathrews]

You could easily do so. Point or no point, the story is there for anyone and it is up to them whether or not they consider something cannon. If something were to happen to a character that is indeed ridiculously out of character, I wouldn't want to look at it. Regardless if it has the stamp of approval.

[SpockLives]

Lard wrote...

Content that is deliberately cut out of the game and held back to be sold separately to gouge consumers does not mean that a game is complete. Just the opposite in fact.

I don't know how anyone can look at the monetising of content in ME3 and argue with a straight face that the core game is "complete".

The *fact* is the opposite.

Exactly what content was "held back" to "gouge consumers" in ME2? (I have tried to avoid learning about content for ME3.)  If you mean Zaeed, he was free for all NEW game purchasers.  You may not realize this, but game developers have deadlines.  Not everything can be finished by the deadline, so they decide what needs to make the final cut and submit that to Microsoft and Sony for ceritification.  At that point, no new content can be added to the main game.  The creation of DLC allows the developers to continue working on content that otherwise would never have been made at all.  How does this gouge consumers?  This gives consumers more than they would have had otherwise.

Or is it that you genuinely think all corporations are evil to the core?  If so, stop buying video games because you're only enriching the corporate fat cats.  Without the large budgets of corporations, games of the quality of Mass Effect would never be made.  As I said before, if you don't like DLC, fine.  Protest with your money by not buying DLC.

Modifié par SpockLives, 23 février 2012 - 03:00 .

[Lard]

SpockLives wrote...

Exactly what content was "held back" to "gouge consumers" in ME2? (I have tried to avoid learning about content for ME3.)  If you mean Zaeed, he was free for all NEW game purchasers.  You may not realize this, but game developers have deadlines.  Not everything can be finished by the deadline, so they decide what needs to make the final cut and submit that to Microsoft and Sony for ceritification.  At that point, no new content can be added to the main game.  The creation of DLC allows the developers to continue working on content that otherwise would never have been made at all.  How does this gouge consumers?  This gives consumers more than they would have had otherwise.

Or is it that you genuinely think all corporations are evil to the core?  If so, stop buying video games because you're only enriching the corporate fat cats.  Without the large budgets of corporations, games of the quality of Mass Effect would never be made.  As I said before, if you don't like DLC, fine.  Protest with your money by not buying DLC.

Not everything can be finished by the deadline? That's called doing your job. If you can't, then you deserve to be fired. DLC content is content that has been held back from the game to charge consumers more and gouge them. 

Without large corporations, we wouldn't be seeing the game's content and monetised to ridiculous levels like we are. 

And I don't buy DLC. Ever. 

[SpockLives]

Lard wrote...

Not everything can be finished by the deadline? That's called doing your job. If you can't, then you deserve to be fired. DLC content is content that has been held back from the game to charge consumers more and gouge them. 

Without large corporations, we wouldn't be seeing the game's content and monetised to ridiculous levels like we are. 

And I don't buy DLC. Ever. 

No game ever made has ever had every single idea the developers had make it to the final game.  All projects have ideas and plans that have to be scrapped due to budget and time constraints.  If developers kept working on a game until every single quest everyone thought of from the beginning of the project onwards was fully fleshed out, no game would ever be completed.  Therefore no game would ever be sold.

As to you're second paragraph, "Without large corporations, we wouldn't be seeing the game's content and monetised to ridiculous levels like we are."  You are right.  Without large corporations we wouldn't be seeing the game's content.  Period.  Because no AAA games would be made.  And monetized?  What do you even mean?  Do you mean companies charge money for their products?  Gasp.  I didn't know they started doing that.

But perhaps you can give me a list of "complete" games that never had a single thing cut from them.

Modifié par SpockLives, 23 février 2012 - 04:27 .

[Brohammed]

To be quite frank ME2 sucks without the DLC, and I complete agree with the OP. It is the pathetic influence of EA - as always - becoming a burden, almost a kind of cancerous mass, on the developer.

That being said, I certainly wont be paying for any more Bio-ware products.

[Lard]

SpockLives wrote...

No game ever made has ever had every single idea the developers had makeit to the final game.  All projects have ideas and plans that have to be scrapped due to budget and time constraints.  

That's different from saying that companies don't have to stick to a schedule and can just slack off and release content as DLC instead. 

SpockLives wrote...If developers kept working on a game until every single quest everyone thought of from the beginning of the project onwards was fully fleshed out, no game would ever be completed.  Therefore no game would ever be sold.

Proof? Oh, right, there is none. 

SpockLives wrote...As to you're second paragraph, "Without large corporations, we wouldn't be seeing the game's content and monetised to ridiculous levels like we are."  You are right.  Without large corporations we wouldn't be seeing the game's content.  Period.  Because no AAA games would be made.  

That is absolutely ludicrous. And blatantly untrue. Bioware was making plenty of "AAA" games before they joined with EA. And maybe we could use a few less "AAA" games in the industry to start with. 

SpockLives wrote...And monetized?  What do you even mean?  Do you mean companies charge money for their products?  Gasp.  I didn't know they started doing that.

You know exactly what I mean you troll. I mean deliberately withholding content and charging for it on top of charging the full amount for the game. 

[Swordfishtrombone]

Brohammed wrote...

To be quite frank ME2 sucks without the DLC, and I complete agree with the OP. It is the pathetic influence of EA - as always - becoming a burden, almost a kind of cancerous mass, on the developer.

That being said, I certainly wont be paying for any more Bio-ware products.

I didn't buy ME2 DLCs until recently, and completed the game three times (I think) without the DLCs, apart from Zaeed that came with the game. And it certainly did not suck.

I'm not a great fan of DLCs, but there is a difference between a tastefully offered DLC, and a tactless one - a great example of a tactless way to handle DLCs was exhibited in Dragon Age: Origins - where even IN MY CAMP there was somebody peddling a DLC - you could talk to them, and find that there's a ques that need doing.... but.... to do it you'll need to loosen your purse strings just a bit.

I don't think Bioware has repeated that mistake, though I think that the ME3 prothean squadmate DLC, released on day 1, is skirting on the edges of tastelessness; a prothean squadmate has to involve a revelation as to the final fate of the protheans, which, to me, sounds like main storyline material. I don't like it, but I'm not going to man the barricades for this move. At least until I see a strange guy on my ship with an exchlamation mark over his head, perpetually trying to peddle me DLC content.

[Jadebaby]

Did you ever think that some of the DLC wasn't added into the original game because it wasn't even thought of when ME2 came out? and were only added to help shape where they wanted to take ME3? eg; LotSB & Arrival.

If u dont like buying DLC or are on a tight budget. Go on the wiki and read about what happens in the DLC.

Right, right, 'but it's not the same'. Point is, the option is there, and it's free!

[SpockLives]

Swordfishtrombone wrote...

I'm not a great fan of DLCs, but there is a difference between a tastefully offered DLC, and a tactless one - a great example of a tactless way to handle DLCs was exhibited in Dragon Age: Origins - where even IN MY CAMP there was somebody peddling a DLC - you could talk to them, and find that there's a ques that need doing.... but.... to do it you'll need to loosen your purse strings just a bit.

Now this is a very well-written analysis of a real problem.  I was outraged over the in-game salesman Bioware put in Warden's Keep, as were so many other customers that Bioware learned never to do it again.  I'm not against criticizing Bioware, just against unfounded and ureasonable criticisms.  Good criticism can illicit positive change from companies.

As to the last part of your post, dude SPOILERS!  This is the freakin' No Spoilers section of the ME1 and 2 forums!  Please delete your spoilers.  I seriously did not want to know that.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

What about Pinnicle Station and that arena thing? Those were DLC.

So you hate the series entirely. Wonder why you bought this game in the first place....

[Lard]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

What about Pinnicle Station and that arena thing? Those were DLC.

So you hate the series entirely. Wonder why you bought this game in the first place....

Never said I hate the series entirely. Learn to read.

What I hate is being double and triple charged for content that should be IN THE GAME and ON THE DISC. 

If you bought a book or a movie and were forced to pay for extra chapters or endings, you'd be furious. 

I have no idea why people are defending this practice. It's exactly the same thing. 

[Reorte]

SpockLives wrote...
Not everything can be finished by the deadline, so they decide what needs to make the final cut and submit that to Microsoft and Sony for ceritification. 

Well there's a major issue right there - "submit that to Microsoft and Sony for ceritification". Some stupid requirement on third parties. We'll only be able to get games as good as they can be when it's entirely down to the developers what they release and when. To hell with Sony and Microsoft, and if they're creating platforms that can't run anything without their approval then those platforms should be complete and utter failures. If only...