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[Maria13]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I doubt Hawke would want to know that Isabela killed her former husband, and so she may have lied so he doesn't know that piece of information. That might make him feel.... uneasy.

EDIT: Now sure, Hawke and whats-his-name are two entirely different people -- one's a decent guy while the other is a bastard -- but I don't think that would be what would go through Hawke's mind.

"She killed her husband? Maker above, I shouldn't ****** her off anytime soon."

It's one thing that the husband was assassinated for seemingly unknown reasons. Hawke sees it as Isabela coming out ahead after having nothing to do with it and the man probably died for some unrelated-to-Isabela reason.

It's another to find out Isabela had her husband killed.

Not really sure Hawke (or Alistair) would much care. S/He knows desperate people do desperate things is desperate circumstances... I always got the impression that there were very good reasons for Isabela wanting her husband dead, something like abuse. As someone else has said, Isabela is a very bad direct liar and she's direct in more ways than one. In my FF Isabela is sold to her husband...

Modifié par Maria13, 08 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Maria13]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Isabela doesn't strike me as the kind of person who'd lie about not killing someone she despised. Besides, the situation with the 'artifact' in DA2 has shown her to be horrible at direct deception. Yeah, she lies, but it's excruciatingly obvious when she does. And if confidentiality is the real issue, why would Varric know the truth, spill it to Alistair, and have Isabela clarify rather than deny?

Eh. My money's on her lying on the comic or a bit of lore getting mucked up. No big deal, just a point of interest.

(And Maria, I'll wait until they're all available. )

Beware SoLD you might succumb to lore-breaking overload!!!

[TEWR]

Not really sure Hawke (or Alistair) would much care. S/He knows desperate people do desperate things is desperate circumstances... I always got the impression that there were very good reasons for Isabela wanting her husband dead, something like abuse. As someone else has said, Isabela is a very bad direct liar and she's direct in more ways than one. In my FF Isabela is sold to her husband...

I think Hawke might care if he's romancing Isabela. Or maybe Isabela just doesn't want Hawke to know, for one reason or another.

Indeed, the man did sexually abuse her -- at least, that's what I gathered as well -- since she was sold to him at the age of.... 14 I think? She was fairly young when she was given/sold to him IIRC. The man was rightfully a bastard and deserving of death, but I just don't think Hawke would feel easy knowing that Isabela was the reason why he was killed, even if he agreed he had it coming.

Might just simply be a case of "Need to know" information, and Isabela felt that Hawke didn't need to know the particulars so she just lied to him so it wouldn't ever come up again.

Alistair on the other hand wouldn't care because he's not romancing Isabela. I think the "I didn't have him killed" only comes up if you're romancing her.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 08 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Maria13 wrote...

Not really sure Hawke (or Alistair) would much care. S/He knows desperate people do desperate things is desperate circumstances... I always got the impression that there were very good reasons for Isabela wanting her husband dead, something like abuse. As someone else has said, Isabela is a very bad direct liar and she's direct in more ways than one. In my FF Isabela is sold to her husband...

Isabela does claim her own mother sells her to her husband as a child. If abuse wasn't involved (she does NOT say it was or wasn't), she could have easily told Hawke it was to garner sympathy for (supposedly) killing him herself. Needless to say, I agree with Maria about Hawke and Alistair. Or some Hawkes I'm sure others might be, "I don't care if you were a child/slave bride! You were married in the eyes of the Maker! Also, murder is wrong!"

(And I overload on lore stuff every time I see something wrong on the wiki )

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 08 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[TEWR]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Yeah, she lies, but it's excruciatingly obvious when she does

To the players at any rate. Hawke doesn't get a chance to accuse her of having anything to do with the big guys and the relic being interconnected. He only gets to grow suspicious when she mucks up her own lies near the end of Act 2.

And by that point, he still can't call her out on it until he's slapped in the face with the big guys.

EDIT: Sure you can roleplay your Hawkes to be suspicious -- I always have -- but I dislike how I can't just accuse her of being related to the big guys even once until it's too late. Even if she promptly denied such an allegation, it would've gone a long way towards roleplaying my Hawkes in Act 2.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 08 mars 2012 - 11:59 .

[Maria13]

Isabela is above all prideful. She wouldn't want to garner sympathy through pity. She lives in a man's world and she's aware that if you admit you were abused you'd lose status; What you have to do is grin and make a joke of it... Much as Alistair does...

Unwanted children always have a lot in common, I guess.

Modifié par Maria13, 08 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[Corker]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
 If abuse wasn't involved (she does NOT say it was or wasn't), she could have easily told Hawke it was to garner sympathy for (supposedly) killing him herself. Needless to say,

Actually, she denies at least one class of abuse:

• Bethany: What were you before you were a pirate?
• Isabela: I had a husband. He didn’t beat me, that’s about the best I can say about it.
• Bethany: So you left him?
• Isabela: He was murdered. By my lover. It was all very... Antivan.
• Bethany: Oh. I don’t think I’d like to live in Antiva.

And his idea of discipline is more relaxed than the former royals of Starkhaven's:

• Isabela: My husband used to have hunting parties like this.
• Sebastian: I'd forgotten you were married.
• Sebastian: It's hard to picture you playing the hostess, taking cloaks and kissing babies.
• Isabela: No, there were servants for that. I just had to sit there and look pretty.
• Isabela: If I got out of hand, he would lock me away with a bottle of wine and a dirty book.
• Isabela: Told everyone I was indisposed.
• Sebastian: My parents used to do the same thing! Minus the wine. And the, uh, dirty book.

Not saying that buying a 14- or 15-year old girl from her mother isn't deeply wrong and creepy all on its own (by our modern standards, of which I approve), but from what little glimpses we've seen of Husband, I'm getting more "selfish and entitled" and less "Muahahaha!"

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

@Ethereal - That's a flaw of the dialogue system, which we can't exactly hold Hawke accountable for. I'd rather you say Hawke's only allowed to express suspicion when Isabela etc etc. I always find it frustrating when games make something obvious but withhold the ability for the PC to act on it.

In any case, Hawke not questioning Isabela doesn't mean Isabela's any better a liar, only that Hawke/the mechanics let Isabela (and other NPCs) get away with it.

@Maria: I agree again. Indeed, it's for that reason I'd think she'd be up front about killing someone who she felt deserved it.

Edit:

@Corker: Thanks! Yes, I agree. From what I remembered I always got the 'rich and entitled' vibe from Isabela's husband rather than cruel. She didn't like him, but to me her dislike seemed to come from being owned rather than mistreated.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 08 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Maria13]

Weeell... Since this is about the comic, can I ask...

[Spoilers ahoy]









Is the man in the cell really Maric?

If so, how did he get there?

Personally, I suspect Celene and perfidious Orlais... But then I always suspect Orlais. But perhaps he was caught by pirates and Loghain refused to pay up...

Who else knows/knew he was there? Loghain, Anora, Celene, perhaps? Did Cailan find out?

Modifié par Maria13, 08 mars 2012 - 03:10 .

[Corker]

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Maria13 wrote...

Weeell... Since this is about the comic, can I ask...
[Spoilers ahoy]


















But perhaps he was caught by pirates and Loghain refused to pay up...

I wouldn't find that likely:

"Teyrn Loghain spent almost two years searching for his lost friend, consuming much of the royal treasury and the majority of the Fereldan navy. The search was futile, and when Loghain claimed that Orlais had
purposefully sunk King Maric's vessel in order to prevent Marcher unity, he was called off by his daughter, Queen Anora, and a united Bannorn." -- King Maric's Helm

Loghain gives every impression of being utterly desperate to find Maric.

I'm just going to wait and see.  I've got a real hard time coming up with a good reason to imprison Maric for 15 years instead of just killing him. 

"Why not just kill them? I'll do it! I'll run up to Paris - bam, bam, bam, bam. I'm back before week's end. We spend the treasure. How is this a bad plan?" - Jacopo in 2002's "Count of Monte Cristo."

Modifié par Corker, 08 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[megski]

I am upset about the helm. Really? Rogue? Pffft

[Maria13]

Loghain was a practical guy, perhaps he knew something we didn't. Ie that Maric wasn't dead and that's why he moved heaven and earth to find him. So he suspected Orlais too? Perhaps that added to his dislike of them (although I suppose there was already a lot to add to). Having Maric held in Antiva would give Celene deniability, keeping him alive would contribute to Ferelden's uncertainty, like keeping an extra chess piece aside...

[CruserBoii]

So are all the Witch of the Wilds going to look like that? I won't mind if they do, it certainly gives them a distinct look.

[Kavatica]

CruserBoii wrote...

So are all the Witch of the Wilds going to look like that? I won't mind if they do, it certainly gives them a distinct look.

I don't mind either. Seems fitting. Especially if all of them are really just a different version of Flemeth. Which I suspect they may be. 

I hope we get a Morrigan reference and something in there about Alistair not getting along with witches.

[Andros_Hanarak]

Its nice to know also that the term "Witch of the Wilds" is not only used in Ferelden, but that it seems its used all around Thedas.

[Kavatica]

Andros_Hanarak wrote...

Its nice to know also that the term "Witch of the Wilds" is not only used in Ferelden, but that it seems its used all around Thedas.

Yes. Not surprising given the seemingly universal fear of apostates. 

[CruserBoii]

Kavatica wrote...

I don't mind either. Seems fitting. Especially if all of them are really just a different version of Flemeth. Which I suspect they may be. 

I hope we get a Morrigan reference and something in there about Alistair not getting along with witches.

That's an interesting theory, like are you saying they're different 'pieces' of her(like something she mentioned in DA2)?

It would be nice to see a Morrigan reference, especially since Alistairs first guess of the witch was Flemeth.

[Kavatica]

CruserBoii wrote...

That's an interesting theory, like are you saying they're different 'pieces' of her(like something she mentioned in DA2)?

It would be nice to see a Morrigan reference, especially since Alistairs first guess of the witch was Flemeth.

Well, I'm wondering. Given the whole "many daughters" rumour and the fact that we know of a few different ways that Flemeth extends her lifespan (possessing a 'daughter', putting pieces of herself in artifacts, etc) I think there is a good chance that this witch could either be a) another incarnation of Flemeth or one of Flemeth's 'daughters'. Or she could simply be a completely different witch, but I somehow doubt that (especially given the connection to Maric and Alistair).

Modifié par Kavatica, 21 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[Corker]

Isabela gets the best lines. XD

[Kavatica]

Corker wrote...

Isabela gets the best lines. XD

So true. 

[TheChris92]

Finished Issue 3. It's getting interesting

[BubbleDncr]

TheChris92 wrote...

Finished Issue 3. It's getting interesting

Yep. I wonder how this will tie into DA3...

[Kavatica]

BubbleDncr wrote...

TheChris92 wrote...

Finished Issue 3. It's getting interesting

Yep. I wonder how this will tie into DA3...

I don't believe it will. David Gaider has implied that the story in the DA comics will not be a canon story that affects the game. I doubt they would do that as it wouldn't be fair to fans that don't follow the story outside of the games. Sad for us that do, but oh well.

[Maria13]

Thinks the old guy could still be Maric, he's just deflecting... How could he have recognised Alistair if he wasn't? Surely only Maric would know the rescuer wasn't Cailan but nevertheless know him for a Theirin?

[Kavatica]

Maria13 wrote...

Thinks the old guy could still be Maric, he's just deflecting... How could he have recognised Alistair if he wasn't? Surely only Maric would know the rescuer wasn't Cailan but nevertheless know him for a Theirin?

I thought that too. But

{Comic Book Spoilers Below}

if you look at the panel where Maric is being led out of the cell...that looks much more like I would picture Maric looking than the scary decrepid old dude. Also, I'm guessing the old guy just knew because a) family resemblance and Maric talked about Alistair. And even though Alistair thinks Maric didn't, I don't believe him. That's just Alistair's self-deprecating thought pattern, as per the usual.

Modifié par Kavatica, 21 mars 2012 - 09:35 .