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[Nima55]

Yuoaman wrote...

Nima55 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

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I'll reiterate what I've said at least once every couple of pages: a live Prothean is a ****ING HUGE DEAL in the context of Mass Effect. Like, monumentally huge - and this is the content they decided that some gamers could live without? I mean, Zaeed was cool, but if he weren't in the game people wouldn't spend the whole time wondering, "Who the hell actually founded the Blue Suns...?" Prothy IS, however, a big deal.

how do  you know this? all we know about the dlc is that it takes place on eden prime and there is a prothean squadie. hell we don't even know what prothy's name is. it be like calling zaeed humany. too he he seem like fanservice and offers a slight insight into the protheans akin to zaeed did with the blue suns.

Javik.

That's his name

Enjoy the spoiler, man.

oh kool I like that name =) thx for the info. my point still stand tho I believe.

[t0k3n98]

 This is my problem with the CE getting this with their game. Putting aside the fact I believe that collectors edition people should only be getting physical and in game cosmetics

This is what CE people get 

• Premium metal case featuring male and female Commander Shepard
• 70-page hardbound art book
• Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics
• Fabric N7 patch.
• Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print of the SR-2 Alliance Normandy
• Additional in-game content including
• N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle,Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
• Squad alternate appearance pack
• Robotic Dog for on board the Normandy
• Mass Effect 3 digital soundtrack.
• Squad Member and Mission DLC
• Also any other pre-order bonuses from the retailer due to being force to preordering to get it

Now the CE cost 79.99, the only thing I can price is the DLC for 10.00. So if you subtract the DLC from the list above and from the price you end up with the basic price of what a SE would pay to get the game plus the DLC. 

Look at everything else they get for just 10 dollars more, if you're like me you are probably thinking well hey, that’s way more than 10 dollars worth, especially if you compare it to other CE from other games.

Now as Mike said the CE is for a "true" fan of the game, but it seems like its not for a true fan but for a fan who wants to get more bang for their buck. Because removing the DLC from them would still more than cover the price they are paying.

My basic point is that if you look at the value of whats above, no matter which way you spin it, the people that were Lucky enough to get a per-order or CE edition will be getting more than the SE people who opt to buy the DLC on day one.

It's OK though because those guys are truer fans...

Modifié par t0k3n98, 23 février 2012 - 08:00 .

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bazzybond wrote...

OK!!!
It's been argued to death. Move on!

This sounds super cool but I wonder why it's Eden Prime? and how come no one has ever discovered him before hmmmm. Interesting.

I hope his voice isn't annoying though

Agreed on it being argued to death.

And if you're interested you can find his voice on youtube. He's kenyan D:

[Zahpeter]

What the hell ? I just found out abut this. It's not really affecting me since i'll buy the CE anyway...but what the hell ? As a story creator for many years, Bioware has sunk to a new low. A freaking Prothean ? I suppose we should be lucky we don't have to pay for Sheppard. I will buy this game, i loved the trilogy too much to let it end like this, but after this is game over for me in Bioware's creations. I already blacklisted Ubisoft, i will blacklist Bioware, even if it's my favourite company since Baldur's Gate 2, an i bought pretty much all they made in CE-s. Really dissapointed.

[Beever_Boy]

I fully understand everyone's problem with practices like this, it is a slippery slope. I encourage you to defend your principles, by not buying the game if need be. Do I completely agree with day one dlc? no. Is ME still worth it? To me, yes. Bioware has yet to let me down. I fell in love with them at KotoR, sure, DA2 had problems, but I still enjoyed it. Anyway, the ME series is literally the best set of games I have ever played. I am an adult. I pay for things I want. If I want the best, I pay for the best. I preordered the CE, and I have no regrets. As I said, I think it's great that you flex your capitalism principles, but don't try to say that I have none just because I will pay for something I enjoy immensely. I have purchased every bit of ME DLC thus far, and will continue to do so, whether it is day one or not. Give me quality, I'll give you my money. That's my two cents. It's that simple.

[rumbalumba]

alterIncogn1T0 wrote...


There have been several other DLC by BioWare that were free of charge as well, though. The Firewalker DLC and some of the weapons and armor add-ons come to mind.

I try not to pretend to know what goes on in the studios or in the devs minds, but I do believe that they're doing what bests for our interests. After all, it's because of our interests that we choose to spend our hard-earned money.

Of course, I could be totally wrong, too.

firewalker was **** anyway. Bioware shouldve paid us money for downloading that thing. yes you read that right.


there is just a ton of wrong here. first off, it's a squadmate (a Prothean at that) and his loyalty mission. okay...and then it's avaiable day 1 because it's so coincidental that it did not make the gold master version so between the time the game went gold and its release they finished and ironed out the whole DLC thing. okay...and they're charging you the 1/6th of the price of the full game for it.

that's like three ****slaps across our faces.

to Bioware, people who pay $60 are fake fans who deserve an incomplete game. peopel who pay them $70-$80 are true fans and deserve a complete game. now, in the future, people who WILL pay an additional $10-$20 on top of the $70-$80 will become uber true fans, because they get a complete game and more! huuuurrraaaayyy for life!

[Darjeer]

This whole thing would be clarified a lot if we could get answer for two questions:

1) Does Prothy the Prothean have any significance in main story line
and
2) If we does, will people without the DLC get to experience these events?

If he does have role in main story and these partitions of the game are reserved only for DLC owners, then this is kinda outrageous. On the other hand, if he is only a minor character (as minor as living prothean can be) and doesn't affect the overall story, then this isn't that big a deal (although having a living prothean and not using him is missing a big opportunity from story's point of view).

[AxisEvolve]

bazzybond wrote...

OK!!!
It's been argued to death. Move on!

This sounds super cool but I wonder why it's Eden Prime? and how come no one has ever discovered him before hmmmm. Interesting.

I hope his voice isn't annoying though

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[Draconis6666]

nightlordv wrote...

neubourn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...


Thats a valid opinon, and honestly I agree with you, but I also agree that it is EA/Bioware's right to decide if they wish to give that content to us for free or not. It is their work and their content, we are not entitled to get it for free simply because we believe we are. They have every right to decide that we should have to pay for their work, if people agree with that or not and wish to pay them for that work or decide that the work is not something they are interested in for the cost is up to the consumers. The outrage over the issue is entirely blown out of proportion and most of it is completely unfounded and backed by a sense of entitlement that people feel they deserve it for free.

exactly. 

lets play Devil's Advocate here...lets pretend they had NO intention to give out the content beyond the already announced CE's. What would all non-CE owners do? Rush to the forums crying about how its not fair, demanding that they be allowed to purchase that content. I can already see it...usergroups and forums sigs saying "i support prothean squadmte for DLC!!"

And as you pointed out, its BW's content, and they decided to make it available for anyone who wants to purchase it. And yet, people are still upset about it. 

In the end, it really is BioWare's content...and they are the ones who have to design it, write the story, develop the levels and gameplay, and hire actors to voice it. And yet, people are mad that they are actually putting a price on that? Why shouldnt they? If people dont want it, then dont buy it. Just dont act like you are ENTITLED to that content, simply because it adds to the lore and story of ME3. 

And lets not forget that Bioware would not be able to make this "content" without us paying for their games and all the other DLC from said games in the past. I love it when people say things like that, yes Bioware created ME, but who made it what it was? The people that paid for their games and supported them. 

Which entitles you to nothing, the fact that you have bought Ford's for 20 years does not entitle you to recieve one for a discount or to recieve your options for free that people who havent pay for.  If they chose to give you a discount for loyalty that is their decision not something you are entitled to. Just because you have paid for things in the past should not entitle you to things in the future simply because you think it does. 

[Yuoaman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

None of this is an explanation of why you deserve this for less than the developer is asking you to pay. It's a huge deal to you? Why lucky you! This content is available for purchase!

I'm asking why should you not have to pay for this. "It's a big ****ing deal" isn't a satisfactory answer.

Alright, since the Protheans aren't that important, apparently, let's just take out all references to the asari unless you fork over an extra $5.

Seems fair, right?

Actually yeah, the Protheans aren't important anymore.  Their role in the plot ended in ME1.  That they were referenced in ME2 is more a plot point for the Reapers than anything else.

So... both kicking off the plot of the first game, and playing a pivotal role in it's conclusion - not to mention having their descendents appear as antagonists in the second game - makes them unimportant? The hell.

[LivingHitokiri]

G3rman wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
I'm not assuming that in any way - I'm simply stating that there's no reason to charge us extra money for content that every player should be able to experience.

Correction.  Fans of the series would want to experience, someone new to ME3 won't care about protheans, it will just be a passing thing in conversation.  Not everyone cares about protheans and most definitely not about DLC.

This DLC is for the fans who couldn't get CE and want this bonus character or the people who just like to buy DLC in general for a complete experience.

What are you talking about.
ME3 stand alone storywise is incomplete,there is a reason why the new players are having a story recap of ME 1 and ME 2 so what you say above ridiculous.
Protheans are IMPORTANT part of ME plot/lore whenever you like it or not.

[AlanC9]

neubourn wrote...
The fact is, and im surprised BW hasnt touched on this...is that in today's game development, ALOT of developers plan ahead for DLC. Thats just how games are made now.

I'd go a little further. It would require extraordinary incompetence to not plan ahead for DLC. Even if your plan is not to do any DLC, that's still a plan.

[Raxxman]

Nima55 wrote...


how do  you know this? all we know about the dlc is that it takes place on eden prime and there is a prothean squadie. hell we don't even know what prothy's name is. it be like calling zaeed humany. too he he seem like fanservice and offers a slight insight into the protheans akin to zaeed did with the blue suns.

If the Hanar aren't effected by having one of their gods being made flesh then I'll be dissapointed.

It's not even who he is, it's what he is. Protheans are reviered race, still widely (and incorrectly) thanked for giving technology to the current crop of races. His position as political figurehead is huge. The Hanar will be surely influenced to fight under his banner, and that would bring forth the Drell with them.

It's like if Jesus/Buda/Mohammed appeared and said 'Buy Pepsi, coke is the devils work.' Do you seriously think that wouldn't have a phenomonal impact upon the sales of Pepsi?

The guy is ultimately a smybol one that may well be more palatable than Shepard alone.

[alterIncogn1T0]

I think what people here are having a hard time doing is relating the video game market to something else similar.

The gaming market is a lot like the automotive industry: there's a certain base price for manufacturing the core vehicle (engine, wheels, seats, etc.), and with each add-on, there is a slow and steady increase in price (power windows, heated seats, etc.).

These game developers and their programers aren't paid by the hour; they have an annual salary to design and create a product. So, there's a base price for the medium (the game disc. or digital download), and the price increases for added content. The same applies for DLC. It is "supposed to be" a separate entity from the main body of the primary product, thus explaining why it's $10 and the main game is $60.

This is how I interpret it. Make of it as you will.

[fatalmaverick]

Luckily, those numbers aren't big enough to warrant any concern, since the forums constitute a very small percentage of the total consumer base.

Forums lead to press. Press leads to public outcry. I'm pretty sure this, paired with Ms. Hepler, paired with all the negativity surrounding Origin and their idea to make it exclusive to their platform, will sink this ship.

[AlanC9]

Yuoaman wrote...


So... both kicking off the plot of the first game, and playing a pivotal role in it's conclusion - not to mention having their descendents appear as antagonists in the second game - makes them unimportant? The hell.

Whether there's one living prothean or zero living protheans in the galaxy won't change their importance.

[CitizenSnips]

I'm out.

Buy it or don't.

[DJBare]

Bioware, I hope you realise someone is going to post up the complete Javik dialogue right? including interaction with Shepard and Liara, I'm not talking about the stuff found in the demo, I've not seen or heard any of it yet as I'm trying very hard to avoid spoilers, I only ask because if you are not sincere in the posts you've made in this thread, that's going to create a bigger uproar, so far your damage control aint going so well.

[AlanC9]

fatalmaverick wrote...
Forums lead to press. Press leads to public outcry. I'm pretty sure this, paired with Ms. Hepler, paired with all the negativity surrounding Origin and their idea to make it exclusive to their platform, will sink this ship.

$10 says they'll do just fine.

When you lose this bet, you can buy me a copy of From Ashes. I'm not planning to buy it myself.

[GuyIncognito21]

pilot2969 wrote...
It seems to me that you have more of a problem with basic business principles over anything else, any CEO who makes a product and just gives it away is dooming their company to failure. I support Bioware's decision and right to make a profit.

I'm not talking about anyone's "rights."  This isn't a Constitutional argument.

What I have a problem with is agreeing with someone on a price for their car and then them telling me the engine will be $10,000 extra.

Making a profit is one thing, baiting and switching is another. 

I'm all for companies making profits, as long as the profits are the result of fair dealing and quality products, not getting people to buy something, intentionally nerfing it, and charging them extra to buy what they thought they were buying in the first place.

[bazzybond]

AxisEvolve wrote...

bazzybond wrote...

OK!!!
It's been argued to death. Move on!

This sounds super cool but I wonder why it's Eden Prime? and how come no one has ever discovered him before hmmmm. Interesting.

I hope his voice isn't annoying though

Slowpoke.jpg

I imagine that's the voice leaks people were mentioning?
I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as possible. It's not really the voice I want to avoid but the things he's saying.

[Draconis6666]

Yuoaman wrote...

So... both kicking off the plot of the first game, and playing a pivotal role in it's conclusion - not to mention having their descendents appear as antagonists in the second game - makes them unimportant? The hell.

It does not make them unimportant by necessity but it also does not make them important to the plot of the third game. It establishes them as an important lore element of the mythos, but the second game for example could have had zero mention of the protheans and been almost exactly the same game. THey were a side ore element that was not important to the plot of the game, and this can easily be the case in the third game.

Even if the protheans themselves are important to the plot of ME 3 it does not make this one individual prothean of guaranteed importance though it does make his lack of importance a bigger waste than having a prothean who is not a key plot element already does, but that is not the point the point is that his simply being a prothean in and of itself is not grounds to insist that he is crucial tot he PLOT (not LORE they are different) of the game.

[neubourn]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...
I'm not assuming that in any way - I'm simply stating that there's no reason to charge us extra money for content that every player should be able to experience.

Correction.  Fans of the series would want to experience, someone new to ME3 won't care about protheans, it will just be a passing thing in conversation.  Not everyone cares about protheans and most definitely not about DLC.

This DLC is for the fans who couldn't get CE and want this bonus character or the people who just like to buy DLC in general for a complete experience.

What are you talking about.
ME3 stand alone storywise is incomplete,there is a reason why the new players are having a story recap of ME 1 and ME 2 so what you say above ridiculous.
Protheans are IMPORTANT part of ME plot/lore whenever you like it or not.

So by that logic, are people entitled to free copies of ME1 because protheans are "Important" part of lore? Of course not. 

Just because a story is important to lore, or has you revisiting a classic locale, does NOT mean you are automatically entitled to it for free.

Lets say for the next DLC 3 months down the road, it is a Keeper Squadmate and you visit Ilos again. Should everyone be "Entitled" to it because OOOOHHHH Keepers are important to lore!!??!!

Modifié par neubourn, 23 février 2012 - 08:00 .

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Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

So either that prothean doesn't add anything to the lore which would mean you wasted a big chance and the price tag of 10$ is just extortion. 

Or it does add lots to the lore, but then I wonder WHY was it cut in the first place just to be added as something you have to pay extra for? 

But both possibilities do NOT add up, you are definitely not doing it for the fans. I don't believe you about this at all!

[cryosoul]

ok know im a bit late to the party but still felt the need to put in my opinnion.

meh people really need to take a step back me thinks.  Lets look back at Zaieed from ME2 and Sebastian from DA2 both were if I recall release day DLC.
  Having nabbed Zaieed on multiple ME2 play through I can safely say he didn't really add much to the story.  Other than wishing there was a dialogue option asking if he was sure he wanted to ditch his contract to hunt vido instead of completing his actual contract during his loyalty mission  it didn’t really bother me as a DLC.   I don’t think I’ve talked to him but once a playthoguh while clicking on his clickables in his room.
  As for Sebastian I never touched the character and still to this day don't own the DLC for one simple reason I didn't appreciate his end game clutch choice that was put in.  As a result I will never get his DLC and it doesn’t bother me.
  Having looked at those two examples of day one DLC how can anyone sit there and say the prothean companion is going to be important?  Honestly the protheans had their last hurrah in ME1 when they screwed over harbinger and saren as far as it mattered to me the prothean story ended there.  The whole collector issue in ME2 was a nice bonus but it didn’t really change things.  I’m dying to know what people think this DLC squad mate is going to add that their so downright pissed he’s not in?  Seriously what did Zaieed add or even Kasumi for that matter other than kick*** special attacks?  Seriously I would love to know.