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[Draconis6666]

rumbalumba wrote...

the one i don't understand, is that why was Shale from Dragon Age Origins a free day 1 DLC for NEW copies of the game but somehow this Prothean isn't?

Because they chose to give you shale for free and chose not to give you the Prothean for free, they are entitled to do so as the creator of the content. You are not entitled to recieve it for free because they offered something for free to you before. Is it a poor business move that means they are not showing loyalty to their customers? perhaps, but that still does not entitle to you to the content for free.

[Sable Phoenix]

I'm sure people have already posted this, but I missed it and I'm not going to comb through 100+ pages for it.

TotalBiscuit comments on the launch-day DLC and how it crosses the line of what is ethical and acceptable business practice.

This is a freaking Prothean, people.  They are cutting content that is absolutely central to the lore of the entire game universe, and then selling it back to us as if it were extra cosmetic content.

I agree with everything said in TotalBiscuit's assessment of the subject.  This is underhanded at best (which indicates to me that EA forced BioWare into doing it, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion).

Requiring Origin was bad enough... I only accept that because I know, with a little inventiveness, that I'll be able to make sure Origin is not actually required to run the singleplayer executable.  But this unethical business decision is a step to far.  I'll join TotalBiscuit in his boycott (which is for me, as it is for him, the hardest game-related decision I've ever made), and I encourage everyone else to do so as well, until BioWare changes this decision and makes the Prothean squadmate available to all new copies of the game for free, just like they did with Shale and Zaeed.

[fatalmaverick]

AlanC9 wrote...

fatalmaverick wrote...

WOW, I just listened to the Prothean dialogue, it is so clearly interwoven into the story! How can anyone accept this?

Guess that means the DLC might be worth the $10?

Guess that means it was made BEFORE the game was done developing

[Yuoaman]

Alright, I'm done for the night, hopefully when I check back tomorrow Bioware will have actually posted a statement that addresses these concerns instead of addressing around them.

Stay civil, people.

[GuyIncognito21]

Draconis6666 wrote...
Its like saying that the entire plot of Star Wars A New Hope doesnt make sense because the Emperor is a key lore element but you never see him in the movie so without him the entire movie doesnt make sense.

No, it's like saying it would be unscrupulous crap for George Lucas to write the Emperor into the script from the get-go then charge people an extra $10 if they wanted to see those scenes.

The absence or presence of this additional content isn't the issue, it's the fact that they felt it was important enough to ship with the game but still chose to charge people extra money for.

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
And if everything is on the up and up, why wasn't this information released months ago?  If I'm to take them at their world that this little XBL thing really was a leak and not intentional, then it appears we'd have gone right up to launch without being told what we were buying.

That's just weird.

You mean you want spoilers?

[LGTX]

Wow, this is great news. Thanks MIke!

[Draconis6666]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Read my sig , you really think they don't lie ? Funny how they only noticed auto attack was missing the night before DA2 was released.

I at no point said that they havent lied before, I simply said i wouldnt waste my time to answer questions when the people asking the questions ignore the answers or call you al liar anyway. Im sure they have better things to do than waste their time answering the questions of people who will automaticaly dismiss the answers anyway.

[HiroVoid]

Draconis6666 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

the one i don't understand, is that why was Shale from Dragon Age Origins a free day 1 DLC for NEW copies of the game but somehow this Prothean isn't?

Because they chose to give you shale for free and chose not to give you the Prothean for free, they are entitled to do so as the creator of the content. You are not entitled to recieve it for free because they offered something for free to you before. Is it a poor business move that means they are not showing loyalty to their customers? perhaps, but that still does not entitle to you to the content for free.

I agree with this.  You're only entitled to what you buy.  If you buy food at a restaurant, and the people told you you need to buy extra for utensils, it's their business to choose that.

[t0k3n98]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm not saying the game won't make any sense without Javik, I'm saying that the game is only rewarding us with this information if we hand over more money, rather than just by sticking with the game.

It could just as easily not give it to you at all and you would never learn any of that information to begin with, the argument goes both ways. You complain that you have to pay to recieve it but there is no reason they have to give it to you at all.

Yes, you are right they don't have to give it to us at all. He isn't arguing that point so idk why you are bringing it up. So far all the information points to the fact that the Prothy character had been in production during the core game cycle, which for most people if its made before relese it should be either free or on the disc.

Espcially if there is prior knowledge to it.

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...


The absence or presence of this additional content isn't the issue, it's the fact that they felt it was important enough to ship with the game but still chose to charge people extra money for.

This doesn't make any sense. It's not important enough to ship with the game; I'm not getting it with my copy. To get it you have to get the DLC.

[AkiKishi]

Draconis6666 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

This goes way beyond the boards.I expect some reviewers will pick up on it too.

Still will likely not be enough to drastically impact sales, Without widespread news coverage in mainstream news sources the impact on the total consumer base is going to be very small, will it be enough to damage sales numbers? who can say it could very well be but its not going to be 50% or 70% of the consumer base up in arms about it like some people seem to believe..

I very much doubt ME3 will fail people are too invested in it to the level of dellusional. However once ME3 is done Bioware have nothing but a damaged IP in DA or something new. That won't have the same investment as ME so what sort of reputation they end up with will be very important.

I know someone posted TOR figures earlier thinking they were good. But 2 million sales and 1.7 million subscribers means 300,000 people have already left TOR. Even with a good ME3 release unless the game is near flawless EA may fold them.

[fatalmaverick]

HiroVoid wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

the one i don't understand, is that why was Shale from Dragon Age Origins a free day 1 DLC for NEW copies of the game but somehow this Prothean isn't?

Because they chose to give you shale for free and chose not to give you the Prothean for free, they are entitled to do so as the creator of the content. You are not entitled to recieve it for free because they offered something for free to you before. Is it a poor business move that means they are not showing loyalty to their customers? perhaps, but that still does not entitle to you to the content for free.

I agree with this.  You're only entitled to what you buy.  If you buy food at a restaurant, and the people told you you need to buy extra for utensils, it's their business to choose that.

Indeed they can! But you can be damn sure I will never be eating there again... which is where we are at with Bioware.

[heart again]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I'm sure people have already posted this, but I missed it and I'm not going to comb through 100+ pages for it.

TotalBiscuit comments on the launch-day DLC and how it crosses the line of what is ethical and acceptable business practice.

This is a freaking Prothean, people.  They are cutting content that is absolutely central to the lore of the entire game universe, and then selling it back to us as if it were extra cosmetic content.

I agree with everything said in TotalBiscuit's assessment of the subject.  This is underhanded at best (which indicates to me that EA forced BioWare into doing it, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion).

Requiring Origin was bad enough... I only accept that because I know, with a little inventiveness, that I'll be able to make sure Origin is not actually required to run the singleplayer executable.  But this unethical business decision is a step to far.  I'll join TotalBiscuit in his boycott (which is for me, as it is for him, the hardest game-related decision I've ever made), and I encourage everyone else to do so as well, until BioWare changes this decision and makes the Prothean squadmate available to all new copies of the game for free, just like they did with Shale and Zaeed.

And what do you propose they do for the CE owners who were promised a bonus character and mission from the start?:innocent:

[rumbalumba]

$60 game with full content = consumers do not lose anything, Bioware does not lose anything

$60 game with a $10 Day 1 DLC = consumers lose one squadmate + one mission. Bioware makes 1/6th of the game's full price per download.


ISEEWHATYOUDIDTHAR.

[neubourn]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I'm sure people have already posted this, but I missed it and I'm not going to comb through 100+ pages for it.

TotalBiscuit comments on the launch-day DLC and how it crosses the line of what is ethical and acceptable business practice.

This is a freaking Prothean, people.  They are cutting content that is absolutely central to the lore of the entire game universe, and then selling it back to us as if it were extra cosmetic content.

I agree with everything said in TotalBiscuit's assessment of the subject.  This is underhanded at best (which indicates to me that EA forced BioWare into doing it, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion).

Requiring Origin was bad enough... I only accept that because I know, with a little inventiveness, that I'll be able to make sure Origin is not actually required to run the singleplayer executable.  But this unethical business decision is a step to far.  I'll join TotalBiscuit in his boycott (which is for me, as it is for him, the hardest game-related decision I've ever made), and I encourage everyone else to do so as well, until BioWare changes this decision and makes the Prothean squadmate available to all new copies of the game for free, just like they did with Shale and Zaeed.

Problem with that stance is that everyone knew this was included in the CE for free since June. Thats 8 months that we have known about it, and people knew for 8 months that unless they had the CE, they wouldnt be able to get it...until now when BW announced that people would be able to purchase it.

So, imagine the uproar if it actually remained a CE exclusive? You guys are basically in a tizzy because for once, a CE item is actually WORTH having (nobody raged that they couldnt purchase Collector Armor for their Shepard in ME2), and BW is letting people purchase the content if they so choose. The irnoy is...if the content was worthless, nobody would care, nobody would bother buying it. But because its actually decent content, people think they are entitled to it, or that it "shouldve been in the game." Even though weve known for MONTHS that it wasnt part of the shipped game. 

[GuyIncognito21]

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
And if everything is on the up and up, why wasn't this information released months ago?  If I'm to take them at their world that this little XBL thing really was a leak and not intentional, then it appears we'd have gone right up to launch without being told what we were buying.

That's just weird.

You mean you want spoilers?

What I mean is people are being criticized for not assuming that the extra stuff would be intregal to the plot when there was absolutely no reason for them to assume that.

And no, I don't want spoilers.  If it's such a huge spoiler IT SHOULD BE IN THE GAME!  That's the entire point!

But if they're going to cut stuff out of the game and repackage it as DLC, then yes I want to know what I'm buying before I commit to buying it.

[t0k3n98]

AlanC9 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...


The absence or presence of this additional content isn't the issue, it's the fact that they felt it was important enough to ship with the game but still chose to charge people extra money for.

This doesn't make any sense. It's not important enough to ship with the game; I'm not getting it with my copy. To get it you have to get the DLC.

He is reffering to this statement.

"
That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that. "

[Draconis6666]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Its like saying that the entire plot of Star Wars A New Hope doesnt make sense because the Emperor is a key lore element but you never see him in the movie so without him the entire movie doesnt make sense.

No, it's like saying it would be unscrupulous crap for George Lucas to write the Emperor into the script from the get-go then charge people an extra $10 if they wanted to see those scenes.

The absence or presence of this additional content isn't the issue, it's the fact that they felt it was important enough to ship with the game but still chose to charge people extra money for.

As opposed to adding cut scenes and special effects in and charging people full price to see the entire movie again which millions of people did without any question? 

Your argument is flawed anyway because it was NOT Important enough to ship with the game, if they did you wouldnt be able to buy the game on March 6th because it would have been pushed back to allow the content to make it onto the disc.

[heart again]

neubourn wrote...

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I'm sure people have already posted this, but I missed it and I'm not going to comb through 100+ pages for it.

TotalBiscuit comments on the launch-day DLC and how it crosses the line of what is ethical and acceptable business practice.

This is a freaking Prothean, people.  They are cutting content that is absolutely central to the lore of the entire game universe, and then selling it back to us as if it were extra cosmetic content.

I agree with everything said in TotalBiscuit's assessment of the subject.  This is underhanded at best (which indicates to me that EA forced BioWare into doing it, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion).

Requiring Origin was bad enough... I only accept that because I know, with a little inventiveness, that I'll be able to make sure Origin is not actually required to run the singleplayer executable.  But this unethical business decision is a step to far.  I'll join TotalBiscuit in his boycott (which is for me, as it is for him, the hardest game-related decision I've ever made), and I encourage everyone else to do so as well, until BioWare changes this decision and makes the Prothean squadmate available to all new copies of the game for free, just like they did with Shale and Zaeed.

Problem with that stance is that everyone knew this was included in the CE for free since June. Thats 8 months that we have known about it, and people knew for 8 months that unless they had the CE, they wouldnt be able to get it...until now when BW announced that people would be able to purchase it.

So, imagine the uproar if it actually remained a CE exclusive? You guys are basically in a tizzy because for once, a CE item is actually WORTH having (nobody raged that they couldnt purchase Collector Armor for their Shepard in ME2), and BW is letting people purchase the content if they so choose. The irnoy is...if the content was worthless, nobody would care, nobody would bother buying it. But because its actually decent content, people think they are entitled to it, or that it "shouldve been in the game." Even though weve known for MONTHS that it wasnt part of the shipped game. 

Exactly.

[neubourn]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
Its like saying that the entire plot of Star Wars A New Hope doesnt make sense because the Emperor is a key lore element but you never see him in the movie so without him the entire movie doesnt make sense.

No, it's like saying it would be unscrupulous crap for George Lucas to write the Emperor into the script from the get-go then charge people an extra $10 if they wanted to see those scenes.

The absence or presence of this additional content isn't the issue, it's the fact that they felt it was important enough to ship with the game but still chose to charge people extra money for.

You mean like how George Lucas filmed the Jabba the Hutt scenes for A New Hope, but went back and charged people extra to see it when he digitally added them when released the "Special Editions?" 

*facepalm*

[rumbalumba]

Draconis6666 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

the one i don't understand, is that why was Shale from Dragon Age Origins a free day 1 DLC for NEW copies of the game but somehow this Prothean isn't?

Because they chose to give you shale for free and chose not to give you the Prothean for free, they are entitled to do so as the creator of the content. You are not entitled to recieve it for free because they offered something for free to you before. Is it a poor business move that means they are not showing loyalty to their customers? perhaps, but that still does not entitle to you to the content for free.

and you choose to shell out more money. go suck BW's junk.

[Dave of Canada]

So the "old" script from centuries ago had mentions of the Prothean, the new script has his dialogue and the initial announcement of it had mentions of the Prothean and now they're saying they made the Prothean after launch and some of you are actually believing this?

[GuyIncognito21]

AlanC9 wrote...
This doesn't make any sense. It's not important enough to ship with the game; I'm not getting it with my copy. To get it you have to get the DLC.

It's being released the same day as the game.  Whether it's on the disc or on a server somewhere is irrelevant.  The point is they got it done and out the door before the game launched.

Again, the big question is whether they'd have still made it if they couldn't charge extra for it.  

[fropas]

rumbalumba wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

rumbalumba wrote...

the one i don't understand, is that why was Shale from Dragon Age Origins a free day 1 DLC for NEW copies of the game but somehow this Prothean isn't?

Because they chose to give you shale for free and chose not to give you the Prothean for free, they are entitled to do so as the creator of the content. You are not entitled to recieve it for free because they offered something for free to you before. Is it a poor business move that means they are not showing loyalty to their customers? perhaps, but that still does not entitle to you to the content for free.

and you choose to shell out more money. go suck BW's junk.

it's 10$ you big baby.