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[Darth Krytie]

This thread=tl;dr whinging. Anyhow, I'm excited about this bonus character and am glad I pre-ordered the CE.

Very exciting.

[Omega Torsk]

Nima55 wrote...

ok really guys... we are just arguing in circles here. neither side is going to convince the other until the game comes out. bottom line; eithe buy the dlc or don't your choice. now I say we stop this uselessness and get on with our lives.

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

neubourn wrote...

[You seriously have no clue how DLC is made, do you?

Nowadays...pretty much every game Developer plans ahead for DLC. 

You can continue to insult me all you like, it doesn't change the argument or help your side of it.

Take ME2:
there was space on the Nomandy for: Kasumi, Zaeed, the Hammerhead, a spot for your little N7 helmet in your quarters.

You dont think they planned ahead for all of that? That space was there when the game SHIPPED. It wasnt added later. 

DLC is integrated into the main game and planned for while games ar ein development. It not only makes sense in developoment, it also saves them time and resources.

Look at Fallout 3....they made all of their specific DLC packs acesible from inside the game itself, certain areas of the map were partioned in anticipation of future DLC. You dont think they didnt plan ahead?

None of that is relevant.  Whether they planned ahead doesn't matter.  What matters is that they're charging extra money for something that should be in the game to begin with.

If Fallout 3 started as you left the vault unless you paid $10 extra to play the vault part, it would be the same problem.

Whether they planned ahead doesn't mitigate the issue.  The issue is just about the difference between charging extra for core content and charging extra for superfluous content.

Your entire argument hinges on the assumption that the Prothean is core content.  Which several people has stated that he's NOT.  Regardless of his status is the first script leak, it's obvious now that's no longer critical to the plot.  And demanding that he SHOULD be critical to the plot simply to support your argument that you shouldn't have to pay for him is ridiculous.

Obviously Bioware doesn't see whatever dialog he has (which I've seen) as relevant or critical to the plot (which it's not) and thus chose to make him bonus content, rather than core content.  Whether his status as a Prothean should make him relevant or not (which is in itself a silly argument) is beside the point.

[neubourn]

Empiro wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Your getting a complete game though, what your arguing for is more like paying for Madden and then complaining that there isnt a free optional 33rd team that they created that you think you should have because it interests you.

More like buying Madden and complaining that you need to pay another $10 if you want to play as the NY Giants or the Patriots.

Ok, if you want to use Madden analogies, it would be like thus:

You buy Madden 13 for $60, but they announce that CE orders get free Houston Oilers, Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Raiders, and Baltimore Colts teams and stadiums.

YOU still get the current 32 teams, and can purchase the "classic" DLC pack of teams for $10. You dont need the DLC to play the game, you still have a "complete" game, but you have the OPTION to purchase classic teams that are part of NFL lore.

[Underpower]

The principle is that core game content should not be withheld and repacked as DLC. 

That Bioware/EA would charge for a abnormally condemned by a porcelain figurine (m*th*rfuc*in* g*d*am*ed) PROTHEAN squadmate is rediculous.

As probably said and re-said, is pretty good.
TotalBiscuit talks at length of what Bioware's launch DLC and how it has crossed the line of what is acceptable.

I am boycotting Mass Effect 3 until this KEY piece of lore/content is available for free. Want to make it only available to new purchases? Fine, I'll buy it. Charge for it via paid DLC? Boycott.

Modifié par Underpower, 23 février 2012 - 09:13 .

[Pacmate]

Guys consider the following: Most of you say that the prothean is essential to he Story. How do you know? It has been 50.000 Years. What if he has no memory at all? Also we have no Idea what we might stumble upon in Mass Effect 3. Shephard could find a Prothean Archive of some kind before ever meeting this Prothean wich would make every information this guy could give us absolete. And: Has anyone of you ever seen The Jersey Shore? Him being a Prothean doesn't necessarily mean that he knows everything about what happend. I bet my ass not every Prothean was an Intelligent Super-Creature. Hell it doesn't even mean that he is Intelligent at all. just sayin... Sorry for my bad english

[wright1978]

Personally i'm not a particular fan of day 1 character dlc as it means whatever character they introduce has to be seperable from the main game. However given that it has been clear there was going to be a day 1 dlc character i'm not spitting feathers now it has been revealed to be a prothean.

[AlanC9]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...
You basically just end up back at the same place.  The fact of the matter is that there's no way they didn't understand the important of the protheans to this story, which means the only way for them to end up not looking unscrupulous is to flat out say that if they couldn't charge extra for this content it would never have existed in the first place.

Last post since it's way late here.

What makes you think that this one prothean will be important to this story? I don't see how he can be. Or are you arguing that a single prothean should be crucial to the story because the protheans are just so awesome.

The only special thing about the protheans is that they were the most recent of the Reapers' victims.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[RiouHotaru]

Blablabla79 wrote...

So either that prothean doesn't add anything to the lore which would mean you wasted a big chance and the price tag of 10$ is just extortion. 

Or it does add lots to the lore, but then I wonder WHY was it cut in the first place just to be added as something you have to pay extra for? 

But both possibilities do NOT add up, you are definitely not doing it for the fans. I don't believe you about this at all!

Or, and again this is an idea that seems to slip everyone's mind over and over for reasons I cannot fathom:

He adds to the lore WITHOUT being so important that he impacts the playing experience.  Mass Effect 3 is obviously a complete enough work that the lack of the Prothean has no negative impact on your playing experience, aka Shale.

It's not an all-or-nothing.

Seriously folks, STOP thinking in extremes.  You do yourself a diservice.

[Draconis6666]

foo man chew wrote...

You know forums are not just about praising a game right.There about feedback both good and bad.So why would anybody send a letter when they can come to the official me3 forum thats supposed to be here for one of those reasons.

For one because with all the trolls and totaly rediculous posts made on this forum (and no im not saying everyone who disagrees with me is a rediculous post or troll, but even the people who are against this cannot sit here and tell me that the BSN is not full of both of those). The impact of any statements made on this forum on Bioware has been significantly damaged by the community of the forum itself. There is so much ranting and trolling about pointless things that If I were bioware i would question the validity of anything i read on these forums. 

A correctly written letter of dissatisfaction however, which presents your displeasure in a polite well thought out maner without ranting and verbaly bashing everyone who disagrees with you as is quite common onf forums sends a much clearer message to the company that tells them you are dissatisfied and why they should consider your concerns.

[DifferentD17]

Draconis6666 wrote...

No it doesnt it implies that you have no concept of how production manufacturing or shipping works and nothing more, The fact that it is ready for release in a digital media form does not mean it was ready when the game was completed or sent to be manufactured and put on discs it does not even in some cases mean that the DLC was completed at the time the copies were shipped to distributors to be sent to stores in preparation for release. 

No people do not like to spend money they feel is unwarranted, and in the case that somethign was specificaly removed from the game 100% complete at the time the game was sent to certification expressly for the purpose of being DLC for sale on day 1 your argument would be perfectly valid. But you have no evidence that this is the case, or even a strong argument for it to be the case. You have only opionions of yourself and a few people that this is clearly so based on your own understanding of how things work. 

I would recomend that you take the time to do some reasearch into the different phases of producing a game, and into how many time games cut content, only to re-add it then cut it again or completely alter it, and how long it actuay takes for a game thats completed to make its way onto store shelves for you to buy from the day its completed and then see if you still feel exactly the same way.

It does imply it more than to just me, I love how I said imply meaning it feels like that , and you just say no it doesn't imply that. What proof do you have that it doesn't? Why does your opinion mean more than the other countless others that don't like this? Why don't you give us a lesson since you know so much more than all of us and since you know exactly what goes on at Bioware. Just because some place on the internet says that's how games are created it doesn't mean all games are made the same way. Especially big games like ME3 and any other anticipated big budget release.

[heart again]

Darth Krytie wrote...

This thread=tl;dr whining. Anyhow, I'm excited about this bonus character and am glad I pre-ordered the CE.

Very exciting.

[Tiax Rules All]

I saw this starting a long time ago. I said It would get worse. I said that content would eventually be cut and sold later. I swore this would happen. Nobody believed me then. Prob won't believe me now but just watch, the next thing will episodic content. Games you pay for as you go along. It will happen if you let it.

[Underpower]

Pacmate wrote...

Guys consider the following: Most of you say that the prothean is essential to he Story. How do you know? It has been 50.000 Years. What if he has no memory at all? Also we have no Idea what we might stumble upon in Mass Effect 3. Shephard could find a Prothean Archive of some kind before ever meeting this Prothean wich would make every information this guy could give us absolete. And: Has anyone of you ever seen The Jersey Shore? Him being a Prothean doesn't necessarily mean that he knows everything about what happend. I bet my ass not every Prothean was an Intelligent Super-Creature. Hell it doesn't even mean that he is Intelligent at all. just sayin... Sorry for my bad english

If the most mysterious, centric and key species of the Mass Effect universe is not essential to the story, then this squadmate should not be Prothean.

I am boycotting Mass Effect 3.

[neubourn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Blablabla79 wrote...

So either that prothean doesn't add anything to the lore which would mean you wasted a big chance and the price tag of 10$ is just extortion. 

Or it does add lots to the lore, but then I wonder WHY was it cut in the first place just to be added as something you have to pay extra for? 

But both possibilities do NOT add up, you are definitely not doing it for the fans. I don't believe you about this at all!

Or, and again this is an idea that seems to slip everyone's mind over and over for reasons I cannot fathom:

He adds to the lore WITHOUT being so important that he impacts the playing experience.  Mass Effect 3 is obviously a complete enough work that the lack of the Prothean has no negative impact on your playing experience, aka Shale.

It's not an all-or-nothing.

Seriously folks, STOP thinking in extremes.  You do yourself a diservice.

also...people are assuming he is the only prothean we will run into. Perhaps ther eis more, and we have full discussions with them, but he is the only one who joins our squad. 

And no...i havent read the leaked script, so if i am completely wrong, please save the spoilers. 

[RiouHotaru]

BobSmith101 wrote...

G3rman wrote...

I think people put too much emphasis on how important this specific prothean is. Its like saying a wooly mammoth or neanderthal would be so informative to have around and tell us all about the ice age.

He's just a soldier, not a walking encyclopedia on Prothean culture.

It makes no difference what he does, he's a Prothean. The reason Shepard started this in the first place. The thing Liaras been looking for for half a century and thats not important?

Not anymore.  If he'd been present in ME1 or possibly 2, maybe.  But we're in ME3.  The presence of a single Prothean isn't going to rock anyone's world anymore.

[JohnDoe]

I just hope my preorder from Amazon doesn't end with the "already sold out" thing.

[Draconis6666]

neubourn wrote...

Empiro wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Your getting a complete game though, what your arguing for is more like paying for Madden and then complaining that there isnt a free optional 33rd team that they created that you think you should have because it interests you.

More like buying Madden and complaining that you need to pay another $10 if you want to play as the NY Giants or the Patriots.

Ok, if you want to use Madden analogies, it would be like thus:

You buy Madden 13 for $60, but they announce that CE orders get free Houston Oilers, Los Angeles Rams, Los Angeles Raiders, and Baltimore Colts teams and stadiums.

YOU still get the current 32 teams, and can purchase the "classic" DLC pack of teams for $10. You dont need the DLC to play the game, you still have a "complete" game, but you have the OPTION to purchase classic teams that are part of NFL lore.

Yes much better than my analogy i suck at madden analogies

[DifferentD17]

Darth Krytie wrote...

This thread=tl;dr whinging. Anyhow, I'm excited about this bonus character and am glad I pre-ordered the CE.

Very exciting.

Tl;DR: I got mine too bad for everyone else, hope this doesn't happen to me with a different series from a different company following what Bioware does.

Modifié par DifferentD17, 23 février 2012 - 09:17 .

[AlanC9]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I saw this starting a long time ago. I said It would get worse. I said that content would eventually be cut and sold later. I swore this would happen. Nobody believed me then.

People didn't think that ME3 would have day 1 DLC? Really?

[corporal doody]

RiouHotaru wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

G3rman wrote...

I think people put too much emphasis on how important this specific prothean is. Its like saying a wooly mammoth or neanderthal would be so informative to have around and tell us all about the ice age.

He's just a soldier, not a walking encyclopedia on Prothean culture.

It makes no difference what he does, he's a Prothean. The reason Shepard started this in the first place. The thing Liaras been looking for for half a century and thats not important?

Not anymore.  If he'd been present in ME1 or possibly 2, maybe.  But we're in ME3.  The presence of a single Prothean isn't going to rock anyone's world anymore.

yeah...that happened wen they told us the collectors were ONCE the prothean

[Draconis6666]

neubourn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Blablabla79 wrote...

So either that prothean doesn't add anything to the lore which would mean you wasted a big chance and the price tag of 10$ is just extortion. 

Or it does add lots to the lore, but then I wonder WHY was it cut in the first place just to be added as something you have to pay extra for? 

But both possibilities do NOT add up, you are definitely not doing it for the fans. I don't believe you about this at all!

Or, and again this is an idea that seems to slip everyone's mind over and over for reasons I cannot fathom:

He adds to the lore WITHOUT being so important that he impacts the playing experience.  Mass Effect 3 is obviously a complete enough work that the lack of the Prothean has no negative impact on your playing experience, aka Shale.

It's not an all-or-nothing.

Seriously folks, STOP thinking in extremes.  You do yourself a diservice.

also...people are assuming he is the only prothean we will run into. Perhaps ther eis more, and we have full discussions with them, but he is the only one who joins our squad. 

And no...i havent read the leaked script, so if i am completely wrong, please save the spoilers. 

He is the only living prothean

[fropas]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

fropas wrote...
How do you know it's core game content? Is prothy instrumental in defeating the reapers?

Again, we can just assume it's tacked-on crap that has nothing to do with anything, but that assumption itself raises some tough questions.  Why add a prothean to the game and NOT make it relevant to the story unless you're trying to bait people into paying more?

You basically just end up back at the same place.  The fact of the matter is that there's no way they didn't understand the important of the protheans to this story, which means the only way for them to end up not looking unscrupulous is to flat out say that if they couldn't charge extra for this content it would never have existed in the first place.

I'm trying not to assume he's very important. To me he's just a bonus power (biotic focus). But you don't know what role he plays yet because the "core game" isn't even out yet.  I'm pretty sure you can beat the game without him. If you feel you have to pay 10$ extra to have a good story then you should probably wait for a GOTY edition or something.
 
Mike has already come on this thread and urged us to give the game a chance if that's not good enough for you I think the developers are fine with that. Sorry, but if you don't think the story is good, without a character you've never even played before, then maybe you should boycott the game. if that's what you want to do. It doesn't sound like BW is going to give this guy away for free though.

[Comm1Shepard]

Cant wait oh wait only 12 days. So i have one question how we will undertand a prothean language. Will only shep and Liara understand him or he  will speak  normal english like everybody else. With out translators or anything??

Modifié par Comm1Shepard, 23 février 2012 - 09:22 .

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

neubourn wrote...
And thats fine...vote with your wallet. Dont buy the game, that will send a louder message then any forum post will. But just dont act like you entitled to free content, it doesnt work that way. People were paying $60 for the game on the disc, and thats what BW is going to give you. Just because the content is something you guys WANT, doesnt mean it "shouldve been on the disc." Thats just rationalizing why you should get it for free. 

That's gibberish.  I'm not getting anything for free, I'm paying $60, and for that $60 I expect (and am reasonable in expecting) a complete game.

If Madden only comes with 31 teams next year, and the 32nd is $10 DLC, are you going to say "well, you paid for the game on the disc and that's what you got?"

Talk about rationalizing.  On that logic, the ME3 disc could just be an MP3 that says "Sucker" over and over again and you'll be OK with that because it's what you paid for?

Again, a flawed example.  There's absolutely no, I repeat, NO evidence the Prothean was central to the core of the game.  Your example should be

>Madden comes with 32 teams
>An extra 33rd team comes extra for $10
>However, your experience playing Madden isn't impacted by NOT buying the 33rd team
>The decision to purchase or not rests with you.