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[emblemsage]

I ordered the CE as soon as I'd heard about it, and I had no idea that it came with an exclusive character, I was just happy to get the other stuff for $20, especially the art book.  When I heard about the new guy I wasn't thinking, "Yes, now I feel justified spending the extra cash." or, "Cool, something to seperate me from someone who got the SE."  I felt it was a neat extra, I have no real problem with anyone buying the game new getting it for free, like it was with Zaeed.

Yet the amount of complaining I see almost makes me feel different.  Is there any proof that what Bioware has said is lie?  I've watched TB's video and I've read the article he links to, short as it was.  For those that say it could not have been made by a secondary team parallel to the base, did you work on it yourselves that you can say that?  Again, it could be free with any new game and I wouldn't care, but please stop with the conspiracy theories.  You can either buy it cause you think it's worth the cash, or not buy it cause you think different.  Won't affect me either way, just my two cents.

[ilquaruxa]

corporal doody wrote...

ilquaruxa wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

MORALLY OFFENSIVE and UNETHICAL have been thrown AROUND alot in this topic. I Find THAT in itself OFFENSIVE!!!


for real people? i can understand some might be upset...but to go so far as to call it morally offensive (or corrupt) and unethical????!!!! they arent knowingly poisoning cows then trying to sell you the meat as hamburger patties!

freakin melodrama

Why? What is your argument? You haven't made one. Have you understood mine? You show no understanding.

there is no need to for me to make an argument. Argue against what? Why others shouldnt be morally offended or see things as not being unethical? WHY? they are feelings...how you gonna argue that feelings are wrong..like opinions. And i stopped reading you post as soon as i saw morally offensive. CUZ that isnt a fact...but a opinion.

All im saying is....THOSE TERMS ARE EXTREMELY STRONG TERMS.....and with everything going on in the world....those are the ones being used to describe THIS?????   i find it laughable....you can throw in the "passionate fanbase" and all that...but i find it disturbing.

So um YEAH!!!

Well, you made several assertions, but you did not make an argument and you continue to repeat this method. I was trying to help you out.

You're right though, you can't derive morals from facts a la David Hume. Also, you're right opinions are not arguments. I made an argument, and you apparently are only interested spouting your opinion. So, like you saying "I like icecream," I can't contradict your opinion.  Fair enough.  Finally, you're also right that there are much worse things going on in the world, which are compeletly irrelevant to the current subject matter. So if you want to keep things relevant, then please read my argument and give it some thought before reacting with emotion.

[Lethlis]

Well if you are going to cancel then cancel your CE so people who want them can get them. I pre ordered back in october. I have never had a problem with day 1 DLC cause I am still getting a complete game without them.

I see a lot of arguements stating it is like ordering a burger and fries and they hold the fries until you pay more. I see it as ordering a burger and them saying "would you like fries with that?" You can get the fries in you want but they are not mandatory to your burger experience. I just dont see the problem as if it came out two months later none of these arguements would be valid. I would rather have the opportunity to play the character for an extra two months than not. So in essence you are arguing that it is immoral to let us play with our additional toys right away instead of making us wait. I fail to see how having to wait to play and still pay the same amount is more fun?

[neubourn]

Arcian wrote...

No, but that's wrong, you goddamn biodrone. Prothy was planned back before E3, his lines were in the november leaks and you can even see him in-game in the Special Forces trailer which aired long before the game went gold.

And was announced as a CE "EXCLUSIVE" since June...so where was all the rage since then?

[corporal doody]

ilquaruxa wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

ilquaruxa wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

MORALLY OFFENSIVE and UNETHICAL have been thrown AROUND alot in this topic. I Find THAT in itself OFFENSIVE!!!


for real people? i can understand some might be upset...but to go so far as to call it morally offensive (or corrupt) and unethical????!!!! they arent knowingly poisoning cows then trying to sell you the meat as hamburger patties!

freakin melodrama

Why? What is your argument? You haven't made one. Have you understood mine? You show no understanding.

there is no need to for me to make an argument. Argue against what? Why others shouldnt be morally offended or see things as not being unethical? WHY? they are feelings...how you gonna argue that feelings are wrong..like opinions. And i stopped reading you post as soon as i saw morally offensive. CUZ that isnt a fact...but a opinion.

All im saying is....THOSE TERMS ARE EXTREMELY STRONG TERMS.....and with everything going on in the world....those are the ones being used to describe THIS?????   i find it laughable....you can throw in the "passionate fanbase" and all that...but i find it disturbing.

So um YEAH!!!

Well, you made several assertions, but you did not make an argument and you continue to repeat this method. I was trying to help you out.

You're right though, you can't derive morals from facts a la David Hume. Also, you're right opinions are not arguments. I made an argument, and you apparently are only interested spouting your opinion. So, like you saying "I like icecream," I can't contradict your opinion.  Fair enough.  Finally, you're also right that there are much worse things going on in the world, which are compeletly irrelevant to the current subject matter. So if you want to keep things relevant, then please read my argument and give it some thought before reacting with emotion.

nope.

[AlanC9]

Lethlis, I think the argument is that you shouldn't be allowed to sell burgers without the fries.

[Xellana]

Pacmate wrote...

Guys consider the following: Most of you say that the prothean is essential to he Story. How do you know? It has been 50.000 Years. What if he has no memory at all? Also we have no Idea what we might stumble upon in Mass Effect 3. Shephard could find a Prothean Archive of some kind before ever meeting this Prothean wich would make every information this guy could give us absolete. And: Has anyone of you ever seen The Jersey Shore? Him being a Prothean doesn't necessarily mean that he knows everything about what happend. I bet my ass not every Prothean was an Intelligent Super-Creature. Hell it doesn't even mean that he is Intelligent at all. just sayin... Sorry for my bad english

it does not matter.
A Prothean IS important to this universe. Regardless of his intelligence or his status. If he really IS totally unimportant, that´s so bad for the game that I would wanna cry. (I think this will be the case)
If he is important then I cannot believe they cut it from the game. (I think this will not be the case)

[RiouHotaru]

Arcian wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Arcian wrote...

G3rman wrote...

I think people put too much emphasis on how important this specific prothean is. Its like saying a wooly mammoth or neanderthal would be so informative to have around and tell us all about the ice age.

He's just a soldier, not a walking encyclopedia on Prothean culture.

Whether he is important or not is not the point, the point is that development money and time went into making him when it should have gone into full game.

They could at least have the decency to make him free for all day 1 copies instead of money-grubbing like this.

They spent time and money developing the DLC well after the full game went gold.

No, but that's wrong, you goddamn biodrone. Prothy was planned back before E3, his lines were in the november leaks and you can even see him in-game in the Special Forces trailer which aired long before the game went gold.

So Casey and Mike are lying through their collective teeth?  Just because he was planned doesn't mean he was in any stage of development even close to completion.

[LGTX]

Arcian wrote...

LGTX wrote...

Arcian wrote...

G3rman wrote...

I think people put too much emphasis on how important this specific prothean is. Its like saying a wooly mammoth or neanderthal would be so informative to have around and tell us all about the ice age.

He's just a soldier, not a walking encyclopedia on Prothean culture.

Whether he is important or not is not the point, the point is that development money and time went into making him when it should have gone into full game.

They could at least have the decency to make him free for all day 1 copies instead of money-grubbing like this.

They spent time and money developing the DLC well after the full game went gold.

No, but that's wrong, you goddamn biodrone. Prothy was planned back before E3, his lines were in the november leaks and you can even see him in-game in the Special Forces trailer which aired long before the game went gold.

Of course his lines were in the script. It's the script. Of course he was planned. DLC has story, too. And a shoulder shot in a trailer is an awesome, awesome argument. Let's whine about Sheploo being in the Femshep trailer, then. Huge deal, ain't it?

I'll take being a goddamn biodrone over that kind of thinking any time of the day.

Modifié par LGTX, 23 février 2012 - 09:25 .

[Draconis6666]

DifferentD17 wrote...

It does imply it more than to just me, I love how I said imply meaning it feels like that , and you just say no it doesn't imply that. What proof do you have that it doesn't? Why does your opinion mean more than the other countless others that don't like this? Why don't you give us a lesson since you know so much more than all of us and since you know exactly what goes on at Bioware. Just because some place on the internet says that's how games are created it doesn't mean all games are made the same way. Especially big games like ME3 and any other anticipated big budget release.

My opinion doesnt mean anymore thats the point, no ones opinoin does and claiming that your individual opinion is the majority is arogant. I dont know whos opinion is more widely  held and neither do you. Do I know exactly how bioware functions no, but I have had first hand experience with game production cycles and have seen first hand how much content is cut during pre production alone that never even gets put into concept let alone the content cut during the actual production cycle. I also know that there are set industry standards in terms of how long it takes for games to go through certification, and how long it takes manufacturers to produce copies of the game once the game has been approved , as well as obvious logistical limitations on how quickly copies can be distributed to all the retailers. Is every game made the same way no, but there are definatly standards that are common to the production of all games, and the fact that a game is a big budget release makes it even more likely to be held to those standards than third party titles that can often times skip some of the red tape.

You are correct I have no proof that Bioware didnt do exactly as you claim, but I am not the one who is contradicting what Bioware itself has said and telling them "this is not so you are lying to us" that is what you are saying and that makes it your responsibility in any logical debate or argument to prove as such. Thats how legal proceedings work, it is the entire basis behind the concept of innocent until proven guilty. It is the responsibility of the person claiming that someone is guilty of something to provide the evidence. The defending party has no responsibity to prove its own statements unless the other party provides evidence that proves them to be untrue or in question.

[Underpower]

A Prothean IS important to this universe. Regardless of his intelligence or his status. If he really IS totally unimportant, that´s so bad for the game that I would wanna cry. (I think this will be the case)
If he is important then I cannot believe they cut it from the game. (I think this will not be the case)

Yeah, Bioware/EA has seriously failed Mass Effect fans with how they've handled this character and the DLC.

[RiouHotaru]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

fropas wrote...
How do you know it's core game content? Is prothy instrumental in defeating the reapers?

Again, we can just assume it's tacked-on crap that has nothing to do with anything, but that assumption itself raises some tough questions.  Why add a prothean to the game and NOT make it relevant to the story unless you're trying to bait people into paying more?

You basically just end up back at the same place.  The fact of the matter is that there's no way they didn't understand the important of the protheans to this story, which means the only way for them to end up not looking unscrupulous is to flat out say that if they couldn't charge extra for this content it would never have existed in the first place.

Because it's a nostalgia prize.  Only people who've played ME1 and 2 will recognize the significance of a Prothean squadmate.  That doesn't mean he has to be plot-critical, or even plot-relevant.  It's already been confirmed that his dialog and style-of-character is "Shale" (non-central to the plot, but adding to existing lore).

The problem is, you demand he HAS to be more, or, barring that, struck from the game entirely.  A stance which makes no goddamn sense.

[fropas]

it's really late so all I'll say is as a CE owner I don't want this to be free, but I'd be willing to pay an extra 10$ on top of my 80$ for this extra content. If people think that makes me a drone that's fine, but in my opinion I don't think SE consumers are entitled to this content. I don't want it to be free because I'm paying extra money for the full game and I don't like the idea of people paying less money than me and getting the same amount of characters and content.

Draconis keep up the good fight man!

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 09:28 .

[Xellana]

Lethlis wrote...

Well if you are going to cancel then cancel your CE so people who want them can get them. I pre ordered back in october. I have never had a problem with day 1 DLC cause I am still getting a complete game without them.

I see a lot of arguements stating it is like ordering a burger and fries and they hold the fries until you pay more. I see it as ordering a burger and them saying "would you like fries with that?" You can get the fries in you want but they are not mandatory to your burger experience. I just dont see the problem as if it came out two months later none of these arguements would be valid. I would rather have the opportunity to play the character for an extra two months than not. So in essence you are arguing that it is immoral to let us play with our additional toys right away instead of making us wait. I fail to see how having to wait to play and still pay the same amount is more fun?

Because what you pay for when you purchase a full price game should include everything the development team developed to that point. I don´t want to pay full price for half the development time and additionally for the second half of development time. That´s just not right.
If I buy a new full price game, I should be getting the full game, which includes that, which the development team created until the release date.

What they do after that is their business.

[Underpower]

RiouHotaru are you paid by EA or Bioware or... actually because of subcontracts, are you paid or compensated in anyway to post in the forums?

Modifié par Underpower, 23 février 2012 - 09:31 .

[Sleek]

I must admit that this extra character sounds really good. But this is the first DLC of many more from Mass Effect and EA. No other company rips you off in the game industry more than EA. And i bought the CE. Way to mucn DLC for bioware games , tthey should just make an expantion a charge us another 35 dollars instead of nickel and diming. Ten dollars is way to high for this piece of DLC . Like i said EA i bought the CE, but this is why many get the jack sparrow edition.

[corporal doody]

fropas wrote...

it's really late so all I'll say is as a CE owner I don't want this to be free, but I'd be willing to pay an extra 10$ on top of my 80$ for this extra content. If people think that makes me a drone that's fine, but in my opinion I don't think SE consumers are entitled to this content. I don't want it to be free because I'm paying extra money for the full game and I don't like the idea of people paying less money than me and getting the same amount of characters and content.

Draconis keep up the good fight man!

word!! especially since it was a added incentive to purchase the CE. making free to appease the WHINERS would devalue the CE....and mean that we have PAID more for simple knicknacks!  
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 février 2012 - 09:32 .

[ElementL09]

The N7 Collectors Edition is worth purchasing even without From Ashes. It really should be included with every new copy of the game.

[Dexi]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Again, a flawed example.  There's absolutely no, I repeat, NO evidence the Prothean was central to the core of the game.

But there's no evidence that the Prothean ISN'T an important part of the game. 
With 0 evidence counting on both sides, what do we have to make our decision with? The status quo of the Protheans in the ME Universe.
 
They're important. They are one central element of all three games, just by their lore. 
They were the ones giving the current cycle a chance by the whole Conduit maneuver. They were to ones who monitored races that would rise during the current cycle.

Their concept is the basis on which the whole ME franchise so far has been built. 

So, with no evidence to prove otherwise, what's Prothy's importance in ME3? Big. 





Lawyered. 

Modifié par Dexi, 23 février 2012 - 09:34 .

[ilquaruxa]

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

neubourn wrote...
And thats fine...vote with your wallet. Dont buy the game, that will send a louder message then any forum post will. But just dont act like you entitled to free content, it doesnt work that way. People were paying $60 for the game on the disc, and thats what BW is going to give you. Just because the content is something you guys WANT, doesnt mean it "shouldve been on the disc." Thats just rationalizing why you should get it for free. 

That's gibberish.  I'm not getting anything for free, I'm paying $60, and for that $60 I expect (and am reasonable in expecting) a complete game.

If Madden only comes with 31 teams next year, and the 32nd is $10 DLC, are you going to say "well, you paid for the game on the disc and that's what you got?"

Talk about rationalizing.  On that logic, the ME3 disc could just be an MP3 that says "Sucker" over and over again and you'll be OK with that because it's what you paid for?

Again, a flawed example.  There's absolutely no, I repeat, NO evidence the Prothean was central to the core of the game.  Your example should be

>Madden comes with 32 teams
>An extra 33rd team comes extra for $10
>However, your experience playing Madden isn't impacted by NOT buying the 33rd team
>The decision to purchase or not rests with you.

RiouHotaru,

Not quite right. The Prothean storyline is central to the trillogy as the Giants, game after game, are central to Madden. If you  change the analogy to the Lord of the Rings I think it would work better. Imagine reading  tFotR and tTT for the first time without knowing the ending.  You don't know for sure how imporant Aragon is going to be, but you know that he will have a part in  tRotK, and that he has been a central figure in the past. Finally, imagine that you have to pay for the Aragon content to find out his role. It might have been the Aragon played a lesser or greater role, but the the build up and not knowing beforehand is still an issue. If Tolkien would have told his fans that they would have to pay extra to find out what happens to Aragon, I would have told Tolkien to ****** off.

[Kreidian]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

Hey Mike,

I just have to quote this and let you know that you still have a lot of support here. Those of us who understand what goes into making a DLC are really happy with all the work you've done and we're eager to get more DLC in the future from you guys!

We really do appreciate all the hard work you've done. Thank you!

[cyric085]

funny thing is, they ripp off the non CE buyers for another 10 bucks,

while the jack sparrow edition has the complete game for free.

guess you didn't want those sales (and customers ) anyway

talking about screwing with your fanbase.

Bioware, you will end like Westwood Studios, Abandoned and Forgotten by your fans

[neubourn]

ElementL09 wrote...

The N7 Collectors Edition is worth purchasing even without From Ashes. It really should be included with every new copy of the game.

I think a good compromise would be to give it free to everyone who PRE-OREDERED it. 

That way, it still rewards loyal fans, while also making it somewhat exclusive. 

[RiouHotaru]

Underpower wrote...

RiouHotaru are you paid by EA or Bioware or... actually because of subcontracts, are you paid or compensated in anyway to post in the forums?

Nope.  Simply a fan of the Mass Effect franchise.