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[cyric085]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

funny thing is, they ripp off the non CE buyers for another 10 bucks,

while the jack sparrow edition has the complete game for free.

guess you didn't want those sales (and customers ) anyway

talking about screwing with your fanbase.

Bioware, you will end like Westwood Studios, Abandoned and Forgotten by your fans

How are you complaining that to CE customers (who are paying +$20 for extra content) are gettting a full game and SE customers (who are saving $20) aren't?

thanks for proving the point of all those critics

so the normal edition is not the full game, guess what thats why people are complaining.

people wouldn't care if its some random human or some 1hit weapons that comes with the CE.

Modifié par cyric085, 23 février 2012 - 09:53 .

[Brian.V3]

Complete Game. That is what everyone in this board complaining bounds to know what makes a game complete.

So tell me fellow BSN members. If the Prothean was cut entirely from production not even made a DLC will this game be incomplete? Meaning the alien does not even make a shroud of an appearance in the game what so ever.

But the leaks... so what about the leaks or knowledge of the character? Have you played the whole game to see how central the Prothean was to the plot?

Now is it cool to have him as a squad mate? Sure.
Let's make a truce right here folks and call off all this conspiracy theory until we play the game.

[foo man chew]

No people are complaining because day 1 dlc should be part of the game not cut content to nickel and dime people including the ce buyers.

[Major Alenko]

holy crap, I went to bed and there was like only 41 pages O_o

[Candidate 88766]

The reason I think it should be free is not for monetary reasons, but for story reasons.

The game itself will, based on ME1 and ME2, easily have £50 worth of content - the RRP of games over here - and the game is selling for under £40 in most places. By selling the consumer a game, Bioware is obligated to provide a working product and a product with £50 worth of content. If they feel that there is already more than enough content in the game to warrant charging for the Prothean, then I can understand that. We're going to be getting a 30 hour game with plenty of replayability, which is more than so many other games can say. Just because it was done for launch doesn't mean they have to include it with the game - there's going to be more than £50 worth of content on the two discs as it is.

So many games nowadays are campaigns that last 6 or 7 hours, with a few multiplayer maps thrown in. ME3 is going to give us a 30 hour campaign, with masses of replayability, as well as a few multiplayer maps. Content-wise, thats great value for money. So if Bioware wants to charge a bit more for a DLC add-on, its not the end of the world. Given that you can buy the game for about £38, and 800 points is under £8, you're still getting ME3 for less than its RRP. Given the amount of content, ME3 plus another character for £46 is not a rip-off.

However, I don't think a Prothean should've been DLC at all. I don't mind paying for a DLC character. But being told beforehand that there is a Prothean character you can download takes away from what could've been an amazing reveal. Imagine going on a routine mission in ME3 that leads you to discovering a real, live Prothean. That kind of reveal is no longer possible, so while I don't mind them charging for this, I think it is a wasted opportunity.

[neubourn]

cyric085 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

funny thing is, they ripp off the non CE buyers for another 10 bucks,

while the jack sparrow edition has the complete game for free.

guess you didn't want those sales (and customers ) anyway

talking about screwing with your fanbase.

Bioware, you will end like Westwood Studios, Abandoned and Forgotten by your fans

How are you complaining that to CE customers (who are paying +$20 for extra content) are gettting a full game and SE customers (who are saving $20) aren't?

thanks for proving the point of all those critics

so the normal edition is not the full game, guess what thats the why people are complaining.

people wouldn't care if its some random human or some 1hit weapons that comes with the CE.

That still doesnt explain how this DLC would make it a "full game" 

"full" or "complete" is subjective, since you will be able to finish the game without ANY DLC. 

[HiroVoid]

neubourn wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

cyric085 wrote...

funny thing is, they ripp off the non CE buyers for another 10 bucks,

while the jack sparrow edition has the complete game for free.

guess you didn't want those sales (and customers ) anyway

talking about screwing with your fanbase.

Bioware, you will end like Westwood Studios, Abandoned and Forgotten by your fans

How are you complaining that to CE customers (who are paying +$20 for extra content) are gettting a full game and SE customers (who are saving $20) aren't?

thanks for proving the point of all those critics

so the normal edition is not the full game, guess what thats the why people are complaining.

people wouldn't care if its some random human or some 1hit weapons that comes with the CE.

That still doesnt explain how this DLC would make it a "full game" 

"full" or "complete" is subjective, since you will be able to finish the game without ANY DLC. 

Technically, they could take out a lot of characters and events from ME3, and still have a full game.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 23 février 2012 - 09:54 .

[Underpower]

Commodore Q wrote...

holy crap, I went to bed and there was like only 41 pages O_o

was featured on reddit's front page. Mods are throwing complaints to this thread. There's some publicity going on.

[foo man chew]

And the ce people are basically paying 80 dollars for content that should of been in a 60 dollar game.

[Nima55]

Commodore Q wrote...

holy crap, I went to bed and there was like only 41 pages O_o

for some reason I read this in kaiden's voice and it was ridicuilously funny XD

[ElementL09]

neubourn wrote...

People, people...you are all forgetting that Protheans were FAILURES. They failed to stop the Reapers. Is that *really* the kind of squadmate you want on your team to begin with?

Shepard: "Hey Prothy, how do we beat these Reapers?
Prothy: "what are you asking me for? They wiped out my entire race, duh."

You can learn why he and race failed.  Thats the big picture.  Thats what matters.  As a person who's fought against soverign and the collectors and a human/embryo reaper, his knowledge would be invaluable to me.

[corporal doody]

if BW left this as a CE ONLY ITEM until June...and then charged $10 for it...would it be as a big a problem?

[neubourn]

foo man chew wrote...

And the ce people are basically paying 80 dollars for content that should of been in a 60 dollar game.

Oh...so the DLC costs $20 now?

[Xellana]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Because what you pay for when you purchase a full price game should include everything the development team developed to that point. I don´t want to pay full price for half the development time and additionally for the second half of development time. That´s just not right.
If I buy a new full price game, I should be getting the full game, which includes that, which the development team created until the release date.

What they do after that is their business.

The point is that there is no evidence beyond a leaked script and the fact that he was mentioned previously to prove that it was completed during the development time. So your either saying for example since the character model was created before the game was sent to certification i should have a prothean squad member in game who has no animations(not a factual representation but just saying somethign that was there but not finished) because that was completed during development. Or your saying that you believe that he was completely  done and removed for the sole purpose of selling it to you later which you have no proof of.

The mistake that you and I think many other people are making is you think that Development means up until a few weeks of the game being available for sale, when the development cycle ends a month if not months before that. There are certification, and manufacturing and shipping that all take up time during which the developer can work on additional content if they chose to.. They dont have to and they shouldnt be obligated to or to freely give you any content that they work on during that itme. When you pay for the game you pay for the content that was created during the development cycle, not the content created after regardless if that is immediately after or 3 months after. 

What you are in essence saying is if they had left the prothean incompleted and started working on it march 7th and then given it to you on say march 20th you would be perfecty fine with it but because they decided to work on somethign immediately after they finished the main product you are dis-satisfied which is to me a horrible argument.

I know so many examples, even from companies who are trying to milk their customers at every opportunity, where everything up to the release date is free. Take Starcraft 2 from Blizzard for example. They improved the game up to the release date, because in the time of fast internet speeds you can just release a day one patch for free, not for a fee. That´s just how I think it should be done, and I think 99% of developers have this opinion, because I don´t know of many who charge for things that were done before release.

[Dexi]

RiouHotaru wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

fropas wrote...
How do you know it's core game content? Is prothy instrumental in defeating the reapers?

Again, we can just assume it's tacked-on crap that has nothing to do with anything, but that assumption itself raises some tough questions.  Why add a prothean to the game and NOT make it relevant to the story unless you're trying to bait people into paying more?

You basically just end up back at the same place.  The fact of the matter is that there's no way they didn't understand the important of the protheans to this story, which means the only way for them to end up not looking unscrupulous is to flat out say that if they couldn't charge extra for this content it would never have existed in the first place.

Because it's a nostalgia prize.  Only people who've played ME1 and 2 will recognize the significance of a Prothean squadmate.  That doesn't mean he has to be plot-critical

To hell with Anderson, Chakwas, Conrad, Thane, Jack etc., only people who've played ME1 and 2 will even recognize them, not to speak about their importance ( or lack of). They don't have to be plot-critical. 


It's the same logic mechanism applied to other ( convenient by characteristics) examples. It sounds horrible, doesn't it? 
So does the original statement. 


As for "doesn't mean it's plot-critical", I'll quote myself. 

Dexi wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Again, a flawed example.  There's absolutely no, I repeat, NO evidence the Prothean was central to the core of the game.

But there's no evidence that the Prothean ISN'T an important part of the game. 
With 0 evidence counting on both sides, what do we have to make our decision with? The status quo of the Protheans in the ME Universe.
 
They're important. They are one central element of all three games, just by their lore. 
They were the ones giving the current cycle a chance by the whole Conduit maneuver. They were to ones who monitored races that would rise during the current cycle.

Their concept is the basis on which the whole ME franchise so far has been built. 

So, with no evidence to prove otherwise, what's Prothy's importance in ME3? Big. 





Lawyered. 

 

Modifié par Dexi, 23 février 2012 - 09:59 .

[Terror_K]

So... do we know yet whether Prothy will have proper dialogue or whether he'll be another Zaeed and Kasumi and just stand there while you click on things around him.

[corporal doody]

Terror_K wrote...

So... do we know yet whether Prothy will have proper dialogue or whether he'll be another Zaeed and Kasumi and just stand there while you click on things around him.

sounds like Zaeed-ish

[Underpower]

Terror_K wrote...

So... do we know yet whether Prothy will have proper dialogue or whether he'll be another Zaeed and Kasumi and just stand there while you click on things around him.

It's a ripoff or it's a ripoff and a waste, either way.

[LGTX]

Terror_K wrote...

So... do we know yet whether Prothy will have proper dialogue or whether he'll be another Zaeed and Kasumi and just stand there while you click on things around him.

If we did, the complaining would hold some merit to me  But since we don't, the folks here assume stuff from the Protheans' exposition in the previous games. So yeah. I don't now what to think about that.

[Candidate 88766]

Terror_K wrote...

So... do we know yet whether Prothy will have proper dialogue or whether he'll be another Zaeed and Kasumi and just stand there while you click on things around him.

From stuff I've read, he has proper conversations with both Shepard and crewmates (crewmates seem to move around on the Normandy) and he gives great insight into the story. However, unless stuff has been changed, his impact on the actual story is zilch.

I would also add that he seems pretty awesome.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 23 février 2012 - 10:03 .

[RiouHotaru]

Terror_K wrote...

So... do we know yet whether Prothy will have proper dialogue or whether he'll be another Zaeed and Kasumi and just stand there while you click on things around him.

According to Cheez, Prothy is a "Shale"-type party member.  While I haven't played DA:O enough to encounter Shale, I am told this means "Has dialog and backstory which adds to the lore, while not being so critical that the absence of the character detrimentally effects the plot."

[Draconis6666]

foo man chew wrote...

And the ce people are basically paying 80 dollars for content that should of been in a 60 dollar game.

Based purely upon your opinon and others opinion of what should be in a $60 game this is true, but your opinion is not what sets the value. It only motivates if you will decide to pay the value that is assigned to it. I  personaly do not agree wiht you. What you get for $60 is what was completed when the game was put on the discs. Antything else is extra and not something you or I or anyone else is entitled to or something that bioware is even obligated to provide at all. 

If you can show me proof that the prothean was 100% completed when the game was sent in for certification and could have been on the disc then I will gladly join you in your argument but untily ou have proof that this is the case its a weak argument. 

You cannot accuse someone of murder then when they claim they are not guilty say "well i dont believe you so you are" and that be enough grounds for a jury to convinct them. If you are going to accuse someone of lying then you need proof not opinions and until you have that I will continue to disagree with your statement that anyone is in some way entitled to this content for free because they have paid $60 for the main game.

[neubourn]

Xellana wrote...


I know so many examples, even from companies who are trying to milk their customers at every opportunity, where everything up to the release date is free. Take Starcraft 2 from Blizzard for example. They improved the game up to the release date, because in the time of fast internet speeds you can just release a day one patch for free, not for a fee. That´s just how I think it should be done, and I think 99% of developers have this opinion, because I don´t know of many who charge for things that were done before release.

DLC is a money maker for developers, so they are changing towards that business model.

Take Battlefield 3...same situation. They developed the "Back to Karkand" map pack before release, and offered it free to everyone who pre-ordered BF3, those who didnt had to pay $10 (or maybe its $15...i dunno, i had it free). 

So for those examples you can cite, i can cite just as many from game developers that are doing what BioWare is doing in regards to Day 1 DLC.