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[Draconis6666]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

is there any specifical reason for not doing it like it was done like zaeed or shale?
you'd think it would incentivate more buying the game new than this approach that incentivates buying the game used.

It probably should have been and doing so would have prevented most of this issue, however at the same time it continues a trend that has dangers of its own in which people begin to believe that because they have recieved free DLC at launch before they are somehow required to give all similar DLC to you free also which is simply not true.

[LGTX]

kidbd15 wrote...

Question is not whether this DLC was made after the main game was made, but WHY?

Why was this content excluded from the main game, when clearly it could fit in so well, and was planned for? Why was this section of the game deemed not important enough to be developed in the main game? What took its place? Was some random side quest in the main game more important to include than a Prothean?

So the answer to those questions will most likely point towards a monetary reason for not including this in the main game. Bioware deliberately waited to produce this content after the main game was complete because they knew this would garner them more money.
 

To answer those questions you'll need to play and/or get informed of the DLC's nature once it comes out. 

[Brian.V3]

You know what is funny? All the people in the thread about the Collectors Edition complaining unable to reserve the Collectors Edition wanting to get the "squad mate and mission" and would pay for it. Now that BioWare is making that content available to them as well and have them pay for it. They are up in arms. Should have just kept it a CE exclusive thing.

[Deltateam Elcor]

Brian.V3 wrote...

You know what is funny? All the people in the thread about the Collectors Edition complaining unable to reserve the Collectors Edition wanting to get the "squad mate and mission" and would pay for it. Now that BioWare is making that content available to them as well and have them pay for it. They are up in arms. Should have just kept it a CE exclusive thing.

Redundant information, whats done is done.

[Xellana]

neubourn wrote...

Xellana wrote...

neubourn wrote...

Xellana wrote...


I know so many examples, even from companies who are trying to milk their customers at every opportunity, where everything up to the release date is free. Take Starcraft 2 from Blizzard for example. They improved the game up to the release date, because in the time of fast internet speeds you can just release a day one patch for free, not for a fee. That´s just how I think it should be done, and I think 99% of developers have this opinion, because I don´t know of many who charge for things that were done before release.

DLC is a money maker for developers, so they are changing towards that business model.

Take Battlefield 3...same situation. They developed the "Back to Karkand" map pack before release, and offered it free to everyone who pre-ordered BF3, those who didnt had to pay $10 (or maybe its $15...i dunno, i had it free). 

So for those examples you can cite, i can cite just as many from game developers that are doing what BioWare is doing in regards to Day 1 DLC. 

wait. that´s not the same. You even said it yourself. You could get it for free! You cannot get this DLC for free. This has not been done by many companies as far as I can remember.

first of all...it wasnt for "free" since you had to have pre-ordered BF3. New copies still have to buy the DLC now. Only those who pre-ordered got it for "free"

Secondly, i am aslo getting From Ashes for "free" because....wait for it....i pre-ordered the CE in June. See the pattern here? Developers reward customers who pre-order, or buy CEs, or buy the game new. But they also make the same content avalaible for those who didnt, but want the content. 

It is NOT the same :-) I will gladly pre-order the game to get this dlc. I do not want to pay 10 Euro for this dlc. If I baught the CE now instead of the standard game I would basically pay 25 Euro for this DLC because I didn´t plan to buy the CE in the first place.
Either way I have to pay for this.

Also the argument: "You wouldn´t complain if they just released it 4 weeks later" is flawed. What Bioware does with their time i cannot say. maybe they could make a dlc and sit in their studio for 4 weeks sipping coffee and then releasing it. Of course I could not possibly know that then. But it doesn´t make it any better.

And even then. I normally do not give a rats ass about dlc. But I hate when they make dlc which are vital to the games lore. Because for you as a consumer it doesn´t feel as optional then. I felt the same about the shadow broker dlc. I baught it because that was a huge hole in the story left after I finished ME2. I remember standing before Liara in Illium after completing here first 2 quests. I thought: That´s it? I wanna help her find the Shadow Broker now! Maybe the quest unlocks a little later." But it didn´t. And I payed a few Euros for the dlc, and didn´t regret it really, but it really did NOT feel optional as a dlc should be. For me it was a very important part of the lore in the ME Universe.
This is exactly what I feel about this DLC. It is optional because it is not in the main game. But it doesn´t feel optional at all, and that is exactly why bioware chose to do it. Because almost everyone would feel like he HAS to have this DLC to have the whole ME3 experience.

Modifié par Xellana, 23 février 2012 - 10:34 .

[DJBare]

Here is what I mean by damage, a comment from Youtube.

So EA and Bioware are trying to sell a content crippled game at full price, then charge additional money to unlock all the content.

It's of course incorrect, but it's still gonna spread.

[Draconis6666]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

135,785
21,095 likes, 916 dislikes

No one can tell EA/Bioware how to run their business, I certainly would not, I have no business training, but when dealing with mob mentality, it's best to err on the side of caution, saying they created the prothean DLC for the fans is just rubbing salt in the wound, right or wrong does not come into it any more, the damage is done.

Those numbers actualy are very telling out of all those view less than 1/4th actualy bothered to like or dislike it. So either people are watching tht video 5 times or the vast majority dont even care enough to comment on the video one way or the other.

Doesnt mean they dont have opinions, think of it as an opinion poll.

Ive never used the like/dislike system on youtube myself.

No obviously your correct everyone has opinoins even those who chose not to voice them but it does at least in the context of those particular numbers seem to show that the vast majority either chose not to make their opinon known, are too lazy to do so, or simply really dont care about the issue one way or the other.

Which was the point I tried to make earlier against people who assumed that their opinion is obviously the majority. Even if its the vocal majority that doesnt automaticaly make it the real majority.

[Cellander]

As a Mass Effect fan I preordered the collectors edition a while ago and I'm glad to hear that this DLC is included for free. I would probably spend a little extra money on the DLC if I had bought the regular version of ME3. To me, it's not a big deal.

DLC is a great way for developers to extend their game universes over time and earn extra money. It's also a great way for us to receive extra content, have a continuing expanding experience and let the community decide what content we would like next.

Modifié par Cellander, 23 février 2012 - 10:34 .

[Cainne Chapel]

foo man chew wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

And the ce people are basically paying 80 dollars for content that should of been in a 60 dollar game.


Oh...so the DLC costs $20 now?
Yeah if you add in the guns robot dog and other stuff that was finished for release but thrown in as dlc.You dont actually think their not going to sell that stuff to everybody right.

Not to mention the Artbook, soundtrack, etc and all the other little bonus stuff for people who like that kind of thing.  Yup we were totally nickled and dimed .

We keep going that route people will start wanting EVERYTHING associated with the ME universe for free because we bought the games.  To me the extra 20 was worth it, so i didn't bat an eye.  People will pay for what is worth it to them.

Are the other things I could of bought for 80 bucks? yeah, but I also dont NEED to play video games either.  Their a luxury, not a neccessity.

[StElmo]

Yuoaman wrote...



It's nice to have you guys finally respond, but I still don't understand why "From Ashes" couldn't be distributed like Zaeed was.

This.

Paying customers should be rewarded with free content lke zaeed and THIS DLC. Collectors Editions are for collectors that like art books and statues, not for people who "can afford our upper class DLC"

[Evilelf007]

corporal doody wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

To argue that From Ashes should be included for free as ME3 would not be complete without it, is like saying that when a movie is released in theaters, it's not complete because when the blu ray is released, you saw you paid for bonus content such as deleted scenes (or even worse... gasp, the blu ray is an extended version of said movie!).

From Ashes is just that... bonus content akin to deleted scenes at most, to just add a little fun to the already completed game.

if the blue-ray was released at the same time as the theater release and with new footage never shown in the theaters with both mediums released at the same time.

what footage is cut from a theatrical release isnt ONLY the choice of the directors/film creators. There is alot of politics that go into it. Most notibly...running time....rating issues.....and what not. DVD..unrated director's cut allow all footage....aka the director's original vision to be shown for those that CHOOSE to purchase it

Just as this bonus content is for those who CHOOSE to purchase it.

[bullz3ye]

That video is not a very good example of public opinion, its just a bunch of people who already hated the game ganging up in a cesspool of hate, for example all I said in a comment in that video is that pirating the game is not boycotting and i got all kinds of hate replies that i should go f myself. What does that say about the maturity of his followers.

Really we should be glad people like that are not buying the game, most of us have known about this dlc for months, and i believe what bioware and mr gamble tells me about the dlc epecially since i read about how most dlc works months ago, i still cant wait to play the game and even if I didnt have the CE preordered i would of tossed in the extra 10.

[kidbd15]

LGTX wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Question is not whether this DLC was made after the main game was made, but WHY?

Why was this content excluded from the main game, when clearly it could fit in so well, and was planned for? Why was this section of the game deemed not important enough to be developed in the main game? What took its place? Was some random side quest in the main game more important to include than a Prothean?

So the answer to those questions will most likely point towards a monetary reason for not including this in the main game. Bioware deliberately waited to produce this content after the main game was complete because they knew this would garner them more money.
 

To answer those questions you'll need to play and/or get informed of the DLC's nature once it comes out. 

Thats why I said 'most likely'

Modifié par kidbd15, 23 février 2012 - 10:32 .

[RiouHotaru]

 Alright, based on what we know, and Casey/Mike's comments, here's my educated estimation of Prothy's development timeline, which is consistent with the information presented to us:

(Note this is all speculation, but backed by the information currently available to us)

- At some point during ME's development, the team comes up with an idea to have a Prothean appear as a character central to the plot, and dialog/events/etc. are written into the script (This matches the first leak)

- However, at some point during development, the team realizes they cannot develop Prothy enough to work him into the game and still meet their deadline.  In the interests of meeting their deadline, Prothy is cut from the script (For reference, Deus Ex: HR has TWO whole hubs cut due to development deadlines)

- Not willing to simply discard a character they worked on, they decide to set him aside as bonus content, and focus on the core content.  VA work was likely done either at this point, or during a later point.

- A second script is made, in which the portions of the game in which Prothy was plot-critical are rewritten so that his presence isn't mandatory for the story to proceed (the second leak), thus fixing the problem of him being plot-critical.

- A decision is made to put Prothy in as a part of the CE grab-bag, which is leaked a touch too early (The June spoiler)

- January comes around.  With ME3 having reached it's final stage and with certification underway/finished, the team turns to focus on work on the still unfinished From Ashes DLC

- A decision is made to push development forward.  Likely under normal circumstances the DLC could've been done and certified in time for the CE's release, but in the interests of making sure their entire community can recieve it on day 1, RATHER than having everyone else who didn't get the CE wait 30 or 60 days, the team puts the pedal to the metal and finishes From Ashes in Feburary.

- Since Prothy is bonus content, Bioware puts the price at $10 worth of points (800 points I believe)

- From Ashes is somehow leaked onto the XBL marketplace (MS has such crappy security) and the fanbase explodes upon learning of his existence.

- Cue the current sh*tstorm on the forum

The ironic part?  Bioware's own desire to have Prothy done and certified in time for release (Rather than have him waiting for everyone who didn't get a CE on day 30 or 60, as Mike said) has somehow backfired and exploded on their own face, because people believe they are entitled to it for free, despite the obvious claim that Prothy is DLC, aka bonus content.

Modifié par RiouHotaru, 23 février 2012 - 10:35 .

[Selor Kiith]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

is there any specifical reason for not doing it like it was done like zaeed or shale?
you'd think it would incentivate more buying the game new than this approach that incentivates buying the game used.

Why wait 'till it is at Gamestop or whereever you buy your used games to get 10$ from it, when you effectively can get 20$ from it?

See the game, already horrendously high prices plus 10$ for DLC... Buyer sees that it's not just 'No Real Manual' and the DLC that is wrong with the game and sells it, someone get's it a bit cheaper as a used version, buys the DLC because he thinks "It's a Prothean, has to be important" and BAM 10$ extra for EA...

This is nothing but a money grabbing scam... this is not "Fan Service"... this is not to "recompense" the Developers...

The Devs won't see a goddamn penny from it... it will stay with EA and will flow into the next annual installment of whatever game they decide to rip off now...

Do any of those that actually said, that the 10$ are for the Devs, for their work?
Do you REALLY believe that?

The Devs have been paid already... they won't get anything from that DLC... it's just EA effectively puttin' their hand into your pocket and what do you do? 
You pat them for this brilliant move and throw your money at them... and totally forget about their hand in your pocket!

And do you really believe that any Dev would say something that would actually compromise them here?

You will only hear Electronic Arts PR-Department Approved Messages and nothing more...

Modifié par Selor Kiith, 23 février 2012 - 10:36 .

[Baal Sagoth]

Screw Bioware and screw EA!

Your bussines model sucks big time! No matter the price tag I won't buy this cut out part of the game.

With Dragon Age and ME2 You gave cut out DLCs to every new retail copy (I wont say "for free" on purpose, 'cause we paid for them in price of so called full game). That was ok, considering You want to fight with used games market.

But now You are selling it to everyone... That's awful... Really

It shows that You don't care about Your faithful customers anymore and You don't support us and not trying to convince us to buy Your game. Especially if You consider that people who will get Mass Effect 3 Pirate Bay Edition will get all DLC and all preorder bonuses and Origin free  for very affordable price:bandit:

And if anyone thinks that it is EA fault not Bioware You are wrong. Bioware isn't poor victim of evil overlord EA, they fit together perfectly. The same greedy ones.

I wonder why unknown studio like 38 Studios, without strong (or any) position on market could make and sell Kingdoms of Amalur without Day 1 DLC, mandatory Origin and so on, with the same evil publisher as EA? And Bioware can't? Yeah, sure... Go figure yourself.

[Draconis6666]

Xellana wrote...


It is NOT the same :-) I will gladly pre-order the game to get this dlc. I do not want to pay 10 Euro for this dlc. If I baught the CE now instead of the standard game I would basically pay 25 Euro for this DLC because I didn´t plan to buy the CE in the first place.
Either way I have to pay for this.

Also the argument: "You wouldn´t complain if they just released it 4 weeks later" is flawed. What Bioware does with their time i cannot say. maybe they could make a dlc and sit in their studio for 4 weeks sipping coffee and then releasing it. Of course I could know that then. But it doesn´t make it any better.

And even then. I normally do not give a rats ass about dlc. But I hate when they make dlc which are vital to the games lore. Because for you as a consumer it doesn´t feel as optional then. I felt the same about the shadow broker dlc. I baught it because that was a huge hole in the story left after I finished ME2. I remember standing before Liara in Illium after completing here first 2 quests. I thought: That´s it? I wanna help her find the Shadow Broker now! Maybe the quest unlocks a little later." But it didn´t. And I payed a few Euros for the dlc, and didn´t regret it really, but it really did NOT feel optional as a dlc should be. For me it was a very important part of the lore in the ME Universe.
This is exactly what I feel about this DLC. It is optional because it is not in the main game. But it doesn´t feel optional at all, and that is exactly why bioware chose to do it. Because almost everyone would feel like he HAS to have this DLC to have the whole ME3 experience.

Those are valid concerns to a point, but that still does not entitle you to get it for free and they still have not forced you to buy it. Obviously if they are going to make DLC they will make it something that seems important, because who will pay $ for something that has no relevance at all beyond paying a few $ here and there for cosmetic crap or new weapons. No one is going to pay $10 or $15 for a mission pack or character that they dont feel has relevance or importance to the game at all and is totay worthless.

You can hardly fault Bioware for chosing to make their DLC things that make you want to buy them, they are in business to make money not to spend it so they can try to sell products no one wants.

[LGTX]

kidbd15 wrote...

LGTX wrote...

kidbd15 wrote...

Question is not whether this DLC was made after the main game was made, but WHY?

Why was this content excluded from the main game, when clearly it could fit in so well, and was planned for? Why was this section of the game deemed not important enough to be developed in the main game? What took its place? Was some random side quest in the main game more important to include than a Prothean?

So the answer to those questions will most likely point towards a monetary reason for not including this in the main game. Bioware deliberately waited to produce this content after the main game was complete because they knew this would garner them more money.
 

To answer those questions you'll need to play and/or get informed of the DLC's nature once it comes out. 

Thats why I said 'most likely'

In that case I should elaborate that I don't see it as even remotely likely  But I won't know for sure either until it actually comes out.

[LGTX]

RiouHotaru wrote...

 Alright, based on what we know, and Casey/Mike's comments, here's my educated estimation of Prothy's development timeline, which is consistent with the information presented to us:

(Note this is all speculation, but backed by the information currently available to us)

- At some point during ME's development, the team comes up with an idea to have a Prothean appear as a character central to the plot, and dialog/events/etc. are written into the script (This matches the first leak)

- However, at some point during development, the team realizes they cannot develop Prothy enough to work him into the game and still meet their deadline.  In the interests of meeting their deadline, Prothy is cut from the script (For reference, Deus Ex: HR has TWO whole hubs cut due to development deadlines)

- Not willing to simply discard a character they worked on, they decide to set him aside as bonus content, and focus on the core content.  VA work was likely done either at this point, or during a later point.

- A second script is made, in which the portions of the game in which Prothy was plot-critical are rewritten so that his presence isn't mandatory for the story to proceed (the second leak), thus fixing the problem of him being plot-critical.

- A decision is made to put Prothy in as a part of the CE grab-bag, which is leaked a touch too early (The June spoiler)

- January comes around.  With ME3 having reached it's final stage and with certification underway/finished, the team turns to focus on work on the still unfinished From Ashes DLC

- A decision is made to push development forward.  Likely under normal circumstances the DLC could've been done and certified in time for the CE's release, but in the interests of making sure their entire community can recieve it on day 1, RATHER than having everyone else who didn't get the CE wait 30 or 60 days, the team puts the pedal to the metal and finishes From Ashes in Feburary.

- Since Prothy is bonus content, Bioware puts the price at $10 worth of points (800 points I believe)

- From Ashes is somehow leaked onto the XBL marketplace (MS has such crappy security) and the fanbase explodes upon learning of his existence.

- Cue the current sh*tstorm on the forum

The ironic part?  Bioware's own desire to have Prothy done and certified in time for release (Rather than have him waiting for everyone who didn't get a CE on day 30 or 60, as Mike said) has somehow backfired and exploded on their own face, because people believe they are entitled to it for free, despite the obvious claim that Prothy is DLC, aka bonus content.

QFT

[Cainne Chapel]

Yes yes heaven forbid companies try to make a profit of their products... those evil evil capitalist pigs! Selling Luxury items at a premium!?

I dont like big business myself, but jeez guys come on... i'm sure you all work somewhere where you actually like to get paid every pay period am I right? Where do you think money comes from? Greedy people who WANT things and people with money who buy them. Its wha tmakes our economy work.

I mean gaming companies aren't charities....

[StElmo]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Those are valid concerns to a point, but that still does not entitle you to get it for free and they still have not forced you to buy it. Obviously if they are going to make DLC they will make it something that seems important, because who will pay $ for something that has no relevance at all beyond paying a few $ here and there for cosmetic crap or new weapons. No one is going to pay $10 or $15 for a mission pack or character that they dont feel has relevance or importance to the game at all and is totay worthless.

You can hardly fault Bioware for chosing to make their DLC things that make you want to buy them, they are in business to make money not to spend it so they can try to sell products no one wants.

Simply put. No one is entitled to everything. However, the expectation is that Bioware should respect its fanbase. Unfortunately, they have decided to chose a short term gain by charginf for the DLC for non CE holders. This flies in the face of good community management.

If you look at Bethesda and how they worked with skyrim, they only started talking about DLC a few weeks into the games release and have still only tossed around concepts. The idea being that the game itself is designed around satisfying customers for an extended period.

The message it sends to a customer when there is day one dlc is essentially this: "Our game will not be enough for you right now, so if you want more ASAP we have some DLC if you are willing t pay.

It is the equivelant of a restraunt charging for bread. Its bad service. Sorry guys, but thats it, you are entitled to sell the DLC, but it is simply bad customer appreciation.

[Wydi]

Oh, come on, BioWare, you can do better.
I can't really believe that the DLC has been created after ME3's gold status, proof has already been given.
After the obligatory Origin DRM stuff I thought that this was as bad as it can get. Looks like I've been wrong.
I hereby pledge you not to buy ME3 until the Prothean DLC is free or the game itself is no longer bound to Origin. I can live with one such flaw, but two of them are too much.

Edit: @
Cainne Chapel :
What kind of justification is that? Sure, Bioware wants to make money. But we are the costumers. Capitalism also means that we have to decide what we are okay with and what's too much. Companies (almost) alyways try to make as much profit as possible, so it's up to the costumers to draw a line at which we don't accept their methods anymore. This concept it obselete if we let them do. We might accept that Bioware does what every company does and we might not blame them for it, but that doesn't mean that we have to accept the product.

Modifié par Wydi, 23 février 2012 - 10:48 .

[Xellana]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...


It is NOT the same :-) I will gladly pre-order the game to get this dlc. I do not want to pay 10 Euro for this dlc. If I baught the CE now instead of the standard game I would basically pay 25 Euro for this DLC because I didn´t plan to buy the CE in the first place.
Either way I have to pay for this.

Also the argument: "You wouldn´t complain if they just released it 4 weeks later" is flawed. What Bioware does with their time i cannot say. maybe they could make a dlc and sit in their studio for 4 weeks sipping coffee and then releasing it. Of course I could know that then. But it doesn´t make it any better.

And even then. I normally do not give a rats ass about dlc. But I hate when they make dlc which are vital to the games lore. Because for you as a consumer it doesn´t feel as optional then. I felt the same about the shadow broker dlc. I baught it because that was a huge hole in the story left after I finished ME2. I remember standing before Liara in Illium after completing here first 2 quests. I thought: That´s it? I wanna help her find the Shadow Broker now! Maybe the quest unlocks a little later." But it didn´t. And I payed a few Euros for the dlc, and didn´t regret it really, but it really did NOT feel optional as a dlc should be. For me it was a very important part of the lore in the ME Universe.
This is exactly what I feel about this DLC. It is optional because it is not in the main game. But it doesn´t feel optional at all, and that is exactly why bioware chose to do it. Because almost everyone would feel like he HAS to have this DLC to have the whole ME3 experience.

Those are valid concerns to a point, but that still does not entitle you to get it for free and they still have not forced you to buy it. Obviously if they are going to make DLC they will make it something that seems important, because who will pay $ for something that has no relevance at all beyond paying a few $ here and there for cosmetic crap or new weapons. No one is going to pay $10 or $15 for a mission pack or character that they dont feel has relevance or importance to the game at all and is totay worthless.

You can hardly fault Bioware for chosing to make their DLC things that make you want to buy them, they are in business to make money not to spend it so they can try to sell products no one wants.

Of course I´m not entitled to it. I´m not entitled to anything They could release the game for a price of 250 Euros and I wouldn´t be entitled to a cheaper game. It´s totally their choice.

But that doesn´t mean I would feel that it is the right thing to do Of course this is totally subjective. It is my personal opinion, that how they handled this DLC is not right.

Modifié par Xellana, 23 février 2012 - 10:42 .

[Deltateam Elcor]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yes yes heaven forbid companies try to make a profit of their products... those evil evil capitalist pigs! Selling Luxury items at a premium!?

I dont like big business myself, but jeez guys come on... i'm sure you all work somewhere where you actually like to get paid every pay period am I right? Where do you think money comes from? Greedy people who WANT things and people with money who buy them. Its wha tmakes our economy work.

I mean gaming companies aren't charities....

No they used to be men with hobbies, ofcourse that changed quickly.

Gaming is an artform and thus different rules apply, in taste and intelligent decisions, whether you like it or not, you wouldnt want part of the mona lisa cut off now would you, i am in no way angry about this current DLC, i am however disappointed in Bioware that they continue to go down this road of pandering to the nasty old farts upstairs, with all the other rather expensive ventures, good business yes, bad long term business also. 

The consumer is law here, even if they are too stupid to notice it outright.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 23 février 2012 - 10:44 .

[Draconis6666]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yes yes heaven forbid companies try to make a profit of their products... those evil evil capitalist pigs! Selling Luxury items at a premium!?

I dont like big business myself, but jeez guys come on... i'm sure you all work somewhere where you actually like to get paid every pay period am I right? Where do you think money comes from? Greedy people who WANT things and people with money who buy them. Its wha tmakes our economy work.

I mean gaming companies aren't charities....

Many people do not seem to understand that Video Games are a Luxury Good, and that beyond that they are a Luxury good that costs you very little in terms of what you get out of it. You get arguably much more use and enjoyment out of a 40 hour game that costs you $60 than you do from going to see 6 movies. The fact that Video game developers have done an excellent job of keeping the selling price of their games down in relation to inflation, far more so than other luxury good industries and that people still complain when they try to find ways to augment their revenue and complain of being ripped off and cheated is astounding to me.

I hope everyone complaining that they were cheated because they didnt get what they paid for, complains about the exact same thing when they go to see a movie or buy a DVD, or a blue ray, or  a Diamond Ring for your wife/fiance (where your in many cases paying somone far more than what its actualy worth so a middle man can line their pocket)