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[Cainne Chapel]

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...


It is NOT the same :-) I will gladly pre-order the game to get this dlc. I do not want to pay 10 Euro for this dlc. If I baught the CE now instead of the standard game I would basically pay 25 Euro for this DLC because I didn´t plan to buy the CE in the first place.
Either way I have to pay for this.

Also the argument: "You wouldn´t complain if they just released it 4 weeks later" is flawed. What Bioware does with their time i cannot say. maybe they could make a dlc and sit in their studio for 4 weeks sipping coffee and then releasing it. Of course I could know that then. But it doesn´t make it any better.

And even then. I normally do not give a rats ass about dlc. But I hate when they make dlc which are vital to the games lore. Because for you as a consumer it doesn´t feel as optional then. I felt the same about the shadow broker dlc. I baught it because that was a huge hole in the story left after I finished ME2. I remember standing before Liara in Illium after completing here first 2 quests. I thought: That´s it? I wanna help her find the Shadow Broker now! Maybe the quest unlocks a little later." But it didn´t. And I payed a few Euros for the dlc, and didn´t regret it really, but it really did NOT feel optional as a dlc should be. For me it was a very important part of the lore in the ME Universe.
This is exactly what I feel about this DLC. It is optional because it is not in the main game. But it doesn´t feel optional at all, and that is exactly why bioware chose to do it. Because almost everyone would feel like he HAS to have this DLC to have the whole ME3 experience.

Those are valid concerns to a point, but that still does not entitle you to get it for free and they still have not forced you to buy it. Obviously if they are going to make DLC they will make it something that seems important, because who will pay $ for something that has no relevance at all beyond paying a few $ here and there for cosmetic crap or new weapons. No one is going to pay $10 or $15 for a mission pack or character that they dont feel has relevance or importance to the game at all and is totay worthless.

You can hardly fault Bioware for chosing to make their DLC things that make you want to buy them, they are in business to make money not to spend it so they can try to sell products no one wants.

Of course I´m not entitled to it. I´m not entitled to anything They could release the game for a price of 250 Euros and I wouldn´t be entitled to a cheaper game. It´s totally their choice.

But that doesn´t mean I would feel that it is the right thing to do Of course this is totally subjective. It is my personal opinion, that how they handled this DLC is not right.

Well Xell the DLC could of NOT been offered at all and stayed CE exclusive.  Would that have solved anything though?

[Draconis6666]

StElmo wrote...

Simply put. No one is entitled to everything. However, the expectation is that Bioware should respect its fanbase. Unfortunately, they have decided to chose a short term gain by charginf for the DLC for non CE holders. This flies in the face of good community management.

If you look at Bethesda and how they worked with skyrim, they only started talking about DLC a few weeks into the games release and have still only tossed around concepts. The idea being that the game itself is designed around satisfying customers for an extended period.

The message it sends to a customer when there is day one dlc is essentially this: "Our game will not be enough for you right now, so if you want more ASAP we have some DLC if you are willing t pay.

It is the equivelant of a restraunt charging for bread. Its bad service. Sorry guys, but thats it, you are entitled to sell the DLC, but it is simply bad customer appreciation.

Bethesda also had arguably the worst DLC implementation of any company ever with Oblivion charging rediculous prices for crap like horse armor, people still bought those and it didnt kill the company or significanty drive away its loyal customer base.

[Deltateam Elcor]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yes yes heaven forbid companies try to make a profit of their products... those evil evil capitalist pigs! Selling Luxury items at a premium!?

I dont like big business myself, but jeez guys come on... i'm sure you all work somewhere where you actually like to get paid every pay period am I right? Where do you think money comes from? Greedy people who WANT things and people with money who buy them. Its wha tmakes our economy work.

I mean gaming companies aren't charities....

Many people do not seem to understand that Video Games are a Luxury Good, and that beyond that they are a Luxury good that costs you very little in terms of what you get out of it. You get arguably much more use and enjoyment out of a 40 hour game that costs you $60 than you do from going to see 6 movies. The fact that Video game developers have done an excellent job of keeping the selling price of their games down in relation to inflation, far more so than other luxury good industries and that people still complain when they try to find ways to augment their revenue and complain of being ripped off and cheated is astounding to me.

I hope everyone complaining that they were cheated because they didnt get what they paid for, complains about the exact same thing when they go to see a movie or buy a DVD, or a blue ray, or  a Diamond Ring for your wife/fiance (where your in many cases paying somone far more than what its actualy worth so a middle man can line their pocket)

You have unfortunately opened yourself to an explosive amount of criticism, mostly due to whats bolded.

EA is the middle man after all, a very naughty middle man.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 23 février 2012 - 10:46 .

[Beefcake9000]

Day 1 DLC designed to 'appeal to long term fans'. That's the real issue here. This DLC is targeted at those of us who have invested time and money into this franchise since ME1. It's a very cheap shot by BW/EA at those of us who are invested in the overall story and lore of the ME universe, for whom our games will not seem 'complete' without this important addition.

I do not see a living Prothean as 'optional.' I do not see a return to Eden Prime, where the entire trilogy kicked off, a full circle event if you will, as 'optional'. Such a character and setting will be considered far, far more important to long-term fans than any other random side mission. To slap a seperate charge on this content - while they're certainly within their rights to do so - is a kick in the teeth for long-term fans who are essentially being forced to shell out another 10 bucks for the 'complete' game.

If this was just a few bonus missions, or a random soldier squaddie, or hell, how about even that female reporter they added to the Normandy - would we be seeing this kind of backlash? I doubt it. Ignoring the ethics of Day 1 DLC, this content won't be viewed as optional by long-term fans, who it's shamelessly being marketed at for an extra 10 bucks.

A robo-dog is optional. A ditzy reporter on your ship is optional. A generic soldier/merc is optional. But a living prothean is considered trivial enough to just be added as a bonus mission? What does that say about the respect for ME lore from BW themselves?

Sure, they can do it if they want, but this is a real dickish move and bad for long-term business. It doesn't encourage trust or future loyalty from customers when you sting them like this.

[Selor Kiith]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

The consumer is law here, even if they are too stupid to notice it outright.

That is the key problem here... enough will gladly throw any money at them to verify their estimates and keep them locked down on that road...

And this, sadly, won't change... it will only get worse, as I said in another thread, we're venturing in a direction where at some point we will have to pay for even more overpriced games that are actually stripped down to their bare minimum and everything that is not absolutely necessary is sold as evenly overpriced DLC.
As someone in this thread said, maybe even just release 2/3 of the game and charge fullprice for 'The End' as a DLC...

[Akaranz]

Beefcake9000 wrote...

Day 1 DLC designed to 'appeal to long term fans'. That's the real issue here. This DLC is targeted at those of us who have invested time and money into this franchise since ME1. It's a very cheap shot by BW/EA at those of us who are invested in the overall story and lore of the ME universe, for whom our games will not seem 'complete' without this important addition.

I do not see a living Prothean as 'optional.' I do not see a return to Eden Prime, where the entire trilogy kicked off, a full circle event if you will, as 'optional'. Such a character and setting will be considered far, far more important to long-term fans than any other random side mission. To slap a seperate charge on this content - while they're certainly within their rights to do so - is a kick in the teeth for long-term fans who are essentially being forced to shell out another 10 bucks for the 'complete' game.

If this was just a few bonus missions, or a random soldier squaddie, or hell, how about even that female reporter they added to the Normandy - would we be seeing this kind of backlash? I doubt it. Ignoring the ethics of Day 1 DLC, this content won't be viewed as optional by long-term fans, who it's shamelessly being marketed at for an extra 10 bucks.

A robo-dog is optional. A ditzy reporter on your ship is optional. A generic soldier/merc is optional. But a living prothean is considered trivial enough to just be added as a bonus mission? What does that say about the respect for ME lore from BW themselves?

Sure, they can do it if they want, but this is a real dickish move and bad for long-term business. It doesn't encourage trust or future loyalty from customers when you sting them like this.

this says it all, very well put.

[GDragonFly7]

People who buy collectors edition should get something extra - but in a way that is not directly connected to the story. Getting something like cool weapons and armor I can understand, I bought CE of ME2 and I was quite happy with it - It had cool armor and assault rifle, it was ok. But this DLC - it just doesn't feel right and people will remember it.

If it was something less important to the fans of the series it could be acceptable (like Sebastian from DAII), but with something as important as a prothean? It was obvious that people would feel let down and betrayed by the studio that made their favourite games. What did you think was going to happen?

Gamers are in general really emotional about their favourite games, it's a bad idea to make them angry and saying that "BioWare did it for the fans" somehow makes them angrier, because people think: "So according to that, I'm not a fan and I have to pay extra to be one?"

I am as disappointed as many people but I won't say that BW should give this DLC to everybody for free. But as someone already said, it isn't about right or wrong anymore - the damage is done. Now it's up to BW to decide wether they want to risk leaving it as it is or do something about it. At least make the price a bit lower (like 6 dolars or 4-5 euro).

Modifié par GDragonFly7, 23 février 2012 - 10:48 .

[Xellana]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Well Xell the DLC could of NOT been offered at all and stayed CE exclusive.  Would that have solved anything though?

No, I would have complained exactly the same. The argument stays the same. For me to feel that I have the full ME3 experience I would have to pay more than a regular full price title.

[Cainne Chapel]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yes yes heaven forbid companies try to make a profit of their products... those evil evil capitalist pigs! Selling Luxury items at a premium!?

I dont like big business myself, but jeez guys come on... i'm sure you all work somewhere where you actually like to get paid every pay period am I right? Where do you think money comes from? Greedy people who WANT things and people with money who buy them. Its wha tmakes our economy work.

I mean gaming companies aren't charities....

No they used to be men with hobbies, ofcourse that changed quickly.

Gaming is an artform, whether you like it or not, you wouldnt want part of the mona lisa cut off now would you, i am in no way angry about this current DLC, i am however disappointed in Bioware that they continue to go down this road of pandering to the nasty old farts upstairs, with all the other rather expensive ventures, good business yes, bad long term business also. 

The consumer is law here, even if they are too stupid to notice it outright.

Gaming IS an artform... but its also a business, one that thrives on MONEY to survive and sustain itself.  No one works 40 to 60 hours a week for free because "Hey its art".  Not even myself

You cant pick and choose your arguments like that friend.  Of course If you want to use the Mona Lisa, you can't OWN the actual mona lisa, but merely a copy, not the real deal.  The best you can hope is looking at a poster or a printing or going to a museum to see it.  Games on the other hand, like with movies and music (other art forms) you can own and keep and enjoy and thus, pay for them.

Honestly, I dont feel its bad business at all, only people I would imagine who do are those who feel entitled to something or want more for nothing, which can be said for all of us, if i could get ME3 for free I would.  But thats beside the point.

Bioware is, has been and always will be a business, the bottom line is important more than anything, BUT they need the consumers to GET that bottom line and thus they will always treat us with necessary care ot keep our business.

But if bonus stuff that one must pay for is your breaking point, well thats your breaking point and no one can tell you other wise, but for me, its not.  Thus I dont have that concern and while i'm not Rich by any stretch, I also see value IN the DLC, thus why i paid extra to get all the bonuses therein.  Same reason why people buy special edition consoles or action figures or other game editions with statues, etc.  Becaues to them, its important to have those items and thus their willing to pay extra for it.

[OdanUrr]

Okay, let's talk about what we're "entitled" to. Simply put, we're entitled to everything those $60 are paying. Any product has a development cost and then a markup for the business to make a profit. If those $60 were paying the "From Ashes" DLC, then, yes, we would be entitled to it. Bioware says we're not paying for it. So you can either take their word for it or not, but that's that.

For people saying, "but everyone knew it was a Prothean squadmate so if you didn't buy the CE tough luck," I have already argued that it was never officially announced before that the bonus squadmate would be a Prothean. Initially it did appear listed but this was later rectified and dismissed as a mistake. The only thing we knew at the time was that we would be getting another squadmate (personally, I thought it would be Vega, it made more sense making him a DLC than a Prothean squadmate).

Having said this, it's a bit controversial that they decided to turn the Prothean (come on, it's a Prothean!) squadmate into DLC, not only that but it costs $10, one sixth of the price standard edition, but it's their choice. It's a product that had a cost to produce and so, naturally, will have a price to purchase. It could have been a great way to reward "long-time" fans of the series by including him as free DLC for those who already had copies of ME1 and ME2, and probably would've garnered a ton of good will from the fanbase. Alas, that did not and is unlikely to happen at this time.

Finally, maybe some people simply cannot afford to spend $70 or $80 in a game, maybe not on release. That's okay, you can simply wait a couple of months for the price to drop off, or for some special offer or bundle. Maybe there'll be an offer like, say, "buy the trilogy for $100," who knows?

Or perhaps you just don't want to spend $10 on this particular DLC on a matter of principle. That's okay, just don't buy it. If you're looking to make a statement, then don't buy ME3 either. At the end of the day, the consumer is the one who wields the ultimate power, because s/he always has the choice not to buy the game.

PS: It wasn't the best choice of words to argue the "From Ashes" DLC is designed to appeal to long-time fans and is thus included in the CE. Many long-time fans might not be able to acquire the CE for different reasons and that doesn't make them any less "long-time" than the rest.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 23 février 2012 - 10:53 .

[Xellana]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Bethesda also had arguably the worst DLC implementation of any company ever with Oblivion charging rediculous prices for crap like horse armor, people still bought those and it didnt kill the company or significanty drive away its loyal customer base.

This is exactly what is good DLC implementation. Horse Armor or crap like that will still be baugt by the fans and is a means to get more money for the developer. And it feels optional!
What´s bad DLC implementation in my opinion is to integrate parts as DLCs that don´t feel optional at all.

[RiouHotaru]

Akaranz wrote...

Beefcake9000 wrote...

Day 1 DLC designed to 'appeal to long term fans'. That's the real issue here. This DLC is targeted at those of us who have invested time and money into this franchise since ME1. It's a very cheap shot by BW/EA at those of us who are invested in the overall story and lore of the ME universe, for whom our games will not seem 'complete' without this important addition.

I do not see a living Prothean as 'optional.' I do not see a return to Eden Prime, where the entire trilogy kicked off, a full circle event if you will, as 'optional'. Such a character and setting will be considered far, far more important to long-term fans than any other random side mission. To slap a seperate charge on this content - while they're certainly within their rights to do so - is a kick in the teeth for long-term fans who are essentially being forced to shell out another 10 bucks for the 'complete' game.

If this was just a few bonus missions, or a random soldier squaddie, or hell, how about even that female reporter they added to the Normandy - would we be seeing this kind of backlash? I doubt it. Ignoring the ethics of Day 1 DLC, this content won't be viewed as optional by long-term fans, who it's shamelessly being marketed at for an extra 10 bucks.

A robo-dog is optional. A ditzy reporter on your ship is optional. A generic soldier/merc is optional. But a living prothean is considered trivial enough to just be added as a bonus mission? What does that say about the respect for ME lore from BW themselves?

Sure, they can do it if they want, but this is a real dickish move and bad for long-term business. It doesn't encourage trust or future loyalty from customers when you sting them like this.

this says it all, very well put.

You forgot this sentence:

"A Prothean is optional"

Because if you've read the script, you'd know this.  But if you haven't (and lucky you!) then you don't need to worry.  There are people (like me) who've seen it and can tell you.

[Draconis6666]

Deltateam Elcor wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Yes yes heaven forbid companies try to make a profit of their products... those evil evil capitalist pigs! Selling Luxury items at a premium!?

I dont like big business myself, but jeez guys come on... i'm sure you all work somewhere where you actually like to get paid every pay period am I right? Where do you think money comes from? Greedy people who WANT things and people with money who buy them. Its wha tmakes our economy work.

I mean gaming companies aren't charities....

Many people do not seem to understand that Video Games are a Luxury Good, and that beyond that they are a Luxury good that costs you very little in terms of what you get out of it. You get arguably much more use and enjoyment out of a 40 hour game that costs you $60 than you do from going to see 6 movies. The fact that Video game developers have done an excellent job of keeping the selling price of their games down in relation to inflation, far more so than other luxury good industries and that people still complain when they try to find ways to augment their revenue and complain of being ripped off and cheated is astounding to me.

I hope everyone complaining that they were cheated because they didnt get what they paid for, complains about the exact same thing when they go to see a movie or buy a DVD, or a blue ray, or  a Diamond Ring for your wife/fiance (where your in many cases paying somone far more than what its actualy worth so a middle man can line their pocket)

You have unfortunately opened yourself to an explosive amount of critisism, mostly due to whats bolded.

EA is the middle man after all, a very naughty middle man.

Completely true but in this case EA has not forced the price of the base unit up significanty to counter inflation and maximize their profits as they could have. They have as the rest of the industry kept the base unit price relatively low and close to what it was 10-15 years ago. Arguably EA has done a better job of this than Activision who are pefectly happy to sell you the base game for $80. Instead EA is trying to line their pockets through DLC which while some people disagree with the implementation or how its offered is still a much more consumer friendly way to do so than any other luxury good industry I can think of.

They are not depriving you of the main content to line their pockets they are offering you something optional or additional that you can have if your willing to pay for it, and many people obviously are because they are making money from it. They could just as easily give everyone free DLC or include everything in the game and hike the price to $90-100 and give you no option but to pay that price or get nothing at all. That is why I am much more satisifed with the current model of DLC than with what could quite easily be the alternative.

[PaulSX]

Baal Sagoth wrote...

Screw Bioware and screw EA!

Your bussines model sucks big time! No matter the price tag I won't buy this cut out part of the game.

With Dragon Age and ME2 You gave cut out DLCs to every new retail copy (I wont say "for free" on purpose, 'cause we paid for them in price of so called full game). That was ok, considering You want to fight with used games market.

But now You are selling it to everyone... That's awful... Really

It shows that You don't care about Your faithful customers anymore and You don't support us and not trying to convince us to buy Your game. Especially if You consider that people who will get Mass Effect 3 Pirate Bay Edition will get all DLC and all preorder bonuses and Origin free  for very affordable price:bandit:

And if anyone thinks that it is EA fault not Bioware You are wrong. Bioware isn't poor victim of evil overlord EA, they fit together perfectly. The same greedy ones.

I wonder why unknown studio like 38 Studios, without strong (or any) position on market could make and sell Kingdoms of Amalur without Day 1 DLC, mandatory Origin and so on, with the same evil publisher as EA? And Bioware can't? Yeah, sure... Go figure yourself.

I do not think free Pirate bay edition can get the multiplayer access though

[Draconis6666]

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Bethesda also had arguably the worst DLC implementation of any company ever with Oblivion charging rediculous prices for crap like horse armor, people still bought those and it didnt kill the company or significanty drive away its loyal customer base.

This is exactly what is good DLC implementation. Horse Armor or crap like that will still be baugt by the fans and is a means to get more money for the developer. And it feels optional!
What´s bad DLC implementation in my opinion is to integrate parts as DLCs that don´t feel optional at all.

Too a point your right but is charging $5 for armor for your horse less of a rip off than charging you $10 for a completely new character and mission? Arguably not, the issue is more with what people feel personaly about the importance of the DLC itself and less about the DLC that was implemented. People are perfectly willing to pay far too much for useless crap, but then complain about paying for things that are arguably of more value because they feel since it is of such greater value that not having it already has in some way or form lessened their experience without it.

[Hillbillyshep]

Michael Gamble wrote...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

 

Yay!

[Cainne Chapel]

Not to mention just because the Prothean is "desired" or "wanted" does not mean he is necessary. Even I understand that and yet would buy him anyway.

But the same can be said for my love of Kasumi in ME2, she's not needed, but I cant play the game without her (or the Locust) as I have an affinity for both, I would buy Kasumi DLC in a heartbeat and it is "needed" for me. But at the same time I didn't cause a fuss or worry about her integration. I bought and I enjoyed for countless playthroughs.

I'd do the same for the prothean regardless, even though he is not "needed" but even then I wouldnt complain because if I wanted him bad enough I'd buy him. I beat the game many times without Kasumi too and still enjoyed it, her DLC just allowed me to enjoy it...more.

Thats all the prothean is really at the end of the day, a bonus to enjoy the game more than the base game. Just like you can complete ME2 without Grunt or Legion or Zaeed or Kasumi, but if you like those characters, you enjoy it more.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Considering the prices of the DLC in ME2, though, From Ashes is a bit better... I mean, it's 800 points for a character, a mission, and a costume pack that gives every squadmate in the game an extra outfit. In ME2 that'd be, like, three separate DLCs, one for the party member and mission, two for the costumes. So it's an improvement, even if only a small one.

I'd still be a bit happier with it if it were like Shale or Cerberus Network, where you get it free if you buy the game new but have to pay if you get it used. That kind of thing ensures that the company gets money from the game itself without actually forcing the customer to outright pay extra, simply giving the player incentive not to buy it used (which only gives profit to the retailer). I suppose it's not so bad that a Day 1 DLC exists as a Collector's Edition extra, except that the Collector's Edition itself was so bloody limited in the first place so I can't even get that now--making it available for $10 as a DLC at the same time ensures that everyone can potentially play it, even those who missed out on the DLC. Still, for what it is, maybe $10 could be argued as a bit much; that'll depend mostly on the quality of the content.

If it's anything as fulfilling as Shale from Dragon Age, it might just be worth it, but if it's more like a Zaeed or Kasumi, I'd say the price should have been $5, extra costumes or no.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Bethesda also had arguably the worst DLC implementation of any company ever with Oblivion charging rediculous prices for crap like horse armor, people still bought those and it didnt kill the company or significanty drive away its loyal customer base.

This is exactly what is good DLC implementation. Horse Armor or crap like that will still be baugt by the fans and is a means to get more money for the developer. And it feels optional!
What´s bad DLC implementation in my opinion is to integrate parts as DLCs that don´t feel optional at all.

I don't know, that sounds like a 'to each his own argument' as far as what's 'feels optional' and what doesn't. Unless somewhow the entire ME3 story has been leaked and I don't know about it, it's pure speculation to make such an argument that this Prothean DLC is not really 'optional'.

What I think is worse to your argument here is that DLC should be limited in execution and quality and still try and charge for it rather than make meaningful DLC that can touch the hearts of fans.

Finally, the fact that an argument that this screws loyal fans of the series yet it's included in the Collector's Edition, which is for loyal fans, for free makes that argument flawed. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 23 février 2012 - 11:02 .

[Blarty]

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

[Brian.V3]

One day maybe a month or two from now we will all look back at this and laugh.

[Baal Sagoth]

suntzuxi wrote...
I do not think free Pirate bay edition can get the multiplayer access though

Good point, but even as MP is fun it isn't essential and many aren't interested in it.

I will be laughin all day long if that Prothean buddy:alien: will be as much talkative like Zaeed or Katsumi:O

[RiouHotaru]

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

Nope.

[Sandoo]

 I was a fan of bioware previous games. Jedi Knight, baldur's gate, etc ... I knew that I couldn't go wrong in buying mass effect 1 since Bioware were behind it.
I'm sad to say that it's not the case anymore. I love Mass effect and it's one of my favorite game ever but I feel that I get ripped off badly now. I feel we're buying 90% of a game and if you want the uber cool new char that we all dreamt of having, pay more $_$.
And you say it's for the fans. We, the fans, are the one who paid for all the Mass effect games, for all the DLC ! and yet we're the one getting f*ck*d on this one.
Thanks for rewarding us for our support...
And I know, you care about what we say, blabla. But in the end, it's Bioware reputation that will go down and I already know I probably won't bother with your next games. If it wasn't Mass Effect 3, I would already ignore you.
An angry player that loved and played  jedi knights, baldur's gate, Neverwinter Nights. Mass effect 3 will be my last game from Bioware, or from EA.

I was mad with the dlc of ME2, but they came free with the cerberus network. So I guess it was okay.
But this is too much. Paying for a dlc on day one is just wrong.
You're lucky it's mass effect 3. It would have been any new game, it would never get any success.

Disappointed. And I know I'm not the only one feeling that way.

[Draconis6666]

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

There are a few people who I honestly think believe that this is the case or something very close to it.