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[Xellana]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Bethesda also had arguably the worst DLC implementation of any company ever with Oblivion charging rediculous prices for crap like horse armor, people still bought those and it didnt kill the company or significanty drive away its loyal customer base.

This is exactly what is good DLC implementation. Horse Armor or crap like that will still be baugt by the fans and is a means to get more money for the developer. And it feels optional!
What´s bad DLC implementation in my opinion is to integrate parts as DLCs that don´t feel optional at all.

Too a point your right but is charging $5 for armor for your horse less of a rip off than charging you $10 for a completely new character and mission? Arguably not, the issue is more with what people feel personaly about the importance of the DLC itself and less about the DLC that was implemented. People are perfectly willing to pay far too much for useless crap, but then complain about paying for things that are arguably of more value because they feel since it is of such greater value that not having it already has in some way or form lessened their experience without it.

yes. we are on the correct path I think You partially agreed with me there (which is a major achievement for me ) and I have to agree with you there completely.

To continue with your argument: I think the reason I don´t like these kind of DLCs is that I don´t like buying DLCs at all. I want to buy the game and that´s it. DLCs that don´t feel optional and fill obvious wholes in the story (e.g. Shadow Broker) feel like they force me to buy it, which i really don´t like

[eshrafel]

Implying that real fans only buy the CE was a little harsh, especially given its price.

I'm not entirely convinced this is "cancel-worthy" but I will respect people greatly who stick to their guns and do so on this matter. The amount of DLC now floating around for ME3 is pretty amazing/terrifying (delete as appropriate).

[DJBare]

115 pages, I think the horse is now a pulpy mass.

[Deltateam Elcor]

I think the economical reasons are quite finished within this debate, the real problem however is the creative/lore related problem.

An integral part of the trilogy were the machinations of the Protheans and to have one living is quite strange, especially half way through the development cycle of ME3, but whatever, some may argue that it is not on, having such a mysterious species being embodied in one person who (cant say for sure yet) doesnt get the creative attention that it deserves.

Perhaps the way they are doing it is completely fine, not wanting to overshadow the rest of the story with this magnificent concept of rebirth and sorrow of the last of ones kind, being brought back at the precipice of the same disaster that he/she had just left from 50 millenniums ago.

There's also the problem of that Prothean being able to deal with his/her own technology perfectly, i doubt we will see it much or at all, which is my personal displeasure.

[Noobie]

As long as ME3 is not on steam, I won't get it. I will just pirate it. All my friends are doing that too. Who cares about the multiplayer? Multiplayer will fail after 1-2month after it release. Really disappointing about EA games nowadays. All the games is Origin works. Won't buy a single game that require Origin, even it's a huge game or whatever. Will just pirate every single game that EA release. Used to like EA games very much, wanted to buy Syndicate and Kingdom of Amalur , but its on Origin, so not buying it, just going to pirate them. Trust me, put them to Steam and it will sell like hotcakes. After all this comment/reply saying they not going to buy cause of Origin, why can you guys be smart a bit? Guys, google it, google 'Mass effect 3 requires Origin' look at the amount of people hate it, amount of comments that they do not want to buy because of Origin. Look at Battlefield 3, forums are selling the account with Battlefield 3 costing around 5 Dollar, legit keys costing around 10 Dollar. Think twice EA games.

[BiO]

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

Stupid logic is stupid.

[Brian.V3]

Baal Sagoth wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
I do not think free Pirate bay edition can get the multiplayer access though

Good point, but even as MP is fun it isn't essential and many aren't interested in it.

I will be laughin all day long if that Prothean buddy:alien: will be as much talkative like Zaeed or Katsumi:O

Well so is the prothean except apparently everyone and their mommy/daddy/religious deity are interested in it.

[RiouHotaru]

DJBare wrote...

115 pages, I think the horse is now a pulpy mass.

Indeed.  In fact I'm fairly certain the ground has soaked the horse up.

[Confused-Shepard]

So we discover a living Prothean and that is merely a side mission and in no way tied to the plot?
Are you serious? What we take him to the Citadel and no one cares? We hunt for Prothean secrets or weapons that may help defeat the Reapers and Mr. Bumbaclot Prothean stays silent? We make a discovery on Eden Prime that is of no use in the main story? Why the f*** would I pay $10 or more for something that won't even have an effect on the main plot and is just fan-service? Take your DLC and ditch it because there is no point. This is like Luke discovering a self destruct button for the Death Star but never using it.

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 23 février 2012 - 11:05 .

[PouriaX360]

Michael Gamble wrote...

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

Mike

 

What about Digital Deluxe Edition?

[Baal Sagoth]

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

Not yet...

[Blarty]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

Nope.

Then what exactly is all the fuss about - dear god.... I'm sure next to the phrase 'First World Problem' will be 'syn: Bioware Social Network'

[Mister Mida]

I'm not gonna read over a hundred pages so I'm gonna ask this regardless if someone already answered it: Why are people moaning about this just now, while this was known ever since the CE (and other special editions) was announced?

[foo man chew]

Day one dlc is not dlc it is content cut from the game to make a quick buck nothing more.And to the people who got the ce edition your getting ripped off just as much as the people who didnt get that edition.It was nothing more then a marketing gimmick your paying for the art book,patch ect.They just know people are more likely to pay extra for in game content.Its more attractive then making of videos to most people.If it was true dlc it wouldnt of been made before the game was released it would be made months down the road.

[Blarty]

BiO_MaN wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

Stupid logic is stupid.

Yes it is.... now go read the rest of this thread.... and apply the same quote to other posts.

[Wydi]

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not gonna read over a hundred pages so I'm gonna ask this regardless if someone already answered it: Why are people moaning about this just now, while this was known ever since the CE (and other special editions) was announced?

Because we didn't have the details before. 

[Rockworm503]

Noobie wrote...

As long as ME3 is not on steam, I won't get it. I will just pirate it. All my friends are doing that too. Who cares about the multiplayer? Multiplayer will fail after 1-2month after it release. Really disappointing about EA games nowadays. All the games is Origin works. Won't buy a single game that require Origin, even it's a huge game or whatever. Will just pirate every single game that EA release. Used to like EA games very much, wanted to buy Syndicate and Kingdom of Amalur , but its on Origin, so not buying it, just going to pirate them. Trust me, put them to Steam and it will sell like hotcakes. After all this comment/reply saying they not going to buy cause of Origin, why can you guys be smart a bit? Guys, google it, google 'Mass effect 3 requires Origin' look at the amount of people hate it, amount of comments that they do not want to buy because of Origin. Look at Battlefield 3, forums are selling the account with Battlefield 3 costing around 5 Dollar, legit keys costing around 10 Dollar. Think twice EA games.

Hey kids how many times did he use the word Pirate in this post?

I'll give you a hint today's Sesame Street is brought to you buy that number!

[OdanUrr]

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not gonna read over a hundred pages so I'm gonna ask this regardless if someone already answered it: Why are people moaning about this just now, while this was known ever since the CE (and other special editions) was announced?

Apparently you didn't even bother to read the previous one or two pages before you posted so I'll sum it up for you: it wasn't officially known and people should not be expected to find out otherwise.

[Mister Mida]

Wydi wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not gonna read over a hundred pages so I'm gonna ask this regardless if someone already answered it: Why are people moaning about this just now, while this was known ever since the CE (and other special editions) was announced?

Because we didn't have the details before. 

And what details would that be? Because I'm not reading anything new that makes the matter any worse than it was.

[Blarty]

foo man chew wrote...

Day one dlc is not dlc it is content cut from the game to make a quick buck nothing more.And to the people who got the ce edition your getting ripped off just as much as the people who didnt get that edition.It was nothing more then a marketing gimmick your paying for the art book,patch ect.They just know people are more likely to pay extra for in game content.Its more attractive then making of videos to most people.If it was true dlc it wouldnt of been made before the game was released it would be made months down the road.

And to think they actually put the game back from it's previous release date.... that will have had no effect whatsoever on development schedules for bonus or DLC missions..... yep no affect at all

[Brian.V3]

Mister Mida wrote...

I'm not gonna read over a hundred pages so I'm gonna ask this regardless if someone already answered it: Why are people moaning about this just now, while this was known ever since the CE (and other special editions) was announced?

Cliff Notes Version:
Well, the Prothean and it's mission setting (Eden Prime) were not officially announced. So no need for a big fuss. People always thought the Prothean was a major plot device in ME3 so they figured the bonus character and mission were reserved for someone else. That was one argument. The other two are just downright idiocy. Launch day DLC conspiracy theory and having the right to free DLC. 

[RiouHotaru]

 Posting again for prosterity:


 Alright, based on what we know, and Casey/Mike's comments, here's my educated estimation of Prothy's development timeline, which is consistent with the information presented to us:

(Note this is all speculation, but backed by the information currently available to us)

- At some point during ME's development, the team comes up with an idea to have a Prothean appear as a character central to the plot, and dialog/events/etc. are written into the script (This matches the first leak)

- However, at some point during development, the team realizes they cannot develop Prothy enough to work him into the game and still meet their deadline.  In the interests of meeting their deadline, Prothy is cut from the script (For reference, Deus Ex: HR has TWO whole hubs cut due to development deadlines)

- Not willing to simply discard a character they worked on, they decide to set him aside as bonus content, and focus on the core content.  VA work was likely done either at this point, or during a later point.

- A second script is made, in which the portions of the game in which Prothy was plot-critical are rewritten so that his presence isn't mandatory for the story to proceed (the second leak), thus fixing the problem of him being plot-critical.

- A decision is made to put Prothy in as a part of the CE grab-bag, which is leaked a touch too early (The June spoiler)

- January comes around.  With ME3 having reached it's final stage and with certification underway/finished, the team turns to focus on work on the still unfinished From Ashes DLC

- A decision is made to push development forward.  Likely under normal circumstances the DLC could've been done and certified in time for the CE's release, but in the interests of making sure their entire community can recieve it on day 1, RATHER than having everyone else who didn't get the CE wait 30 or 60 days, the team puts the pedal to the metal and finishes From Ashes in Feburary.

- Since Prothy is bonus content, Bioware puts the price at $10 worth of points (800 points I believe)

- From Ashes is somehow leaked onto the XBL marketplace (MS has such crappy security) and the fanbase explodes upon learning of his existence.

- Cue the current sh*tstorm on the forum

The ironic part?  Bioware's own desire to have Prothy done and certified in time for release (Rather than have him waiting for everyone who didn't get a CE on day 30 or 60, as Mike said) has somehow backfired and exploded on their own face, because people believe they are entitled to it for free, despite the obvious claim that Prothy is DLC, aka bonus content. 

[Draconis6666]

Xellana wrote...

yes. we are on the correct path I think You partially agreed with me there (which is a major achievement for me ) and I have to agree with you there completely.

To continue with your argument: I think the reason I don´t like these kind of DLCs is that I don´t like buying DLCs at all. I want to buy the game and that´s it. DLCs that don´t feel optional and fill obvious wholes in the story (e.g. Shadow Broker) feel like they force me to buy it, which i really don´t like

Thats an attitude that is very common and expecialy so among people who grew up with games before the age of DLC. The problem is that Before DLC people never saw cut content it just disapeared completely. Now that DLC exists this content is provided to people after the fact and it creates the feeling that somehow these are things that were left out of the game and the game is not complete without them. Which is in a way true you are getting a more complete form of the game by having them, but the value of the game you paid for is no less than it was 10 years ago when DLC did not exist and that content would have just been cut and thrown away.

The only way you would get that content is if the developer decided to extend their deadline and run over so that they can ensure that content makes it into the release of the game. There is no reason they could not do that now, let the games cost longer to make and in return just jack the prices on all their games up $10-20 forcing you to pay more for the game regardless of if you care about the content that was included for that inflated price or not. The question is would you feel more comfortable with this than you do being offered optional DLC that you can chose not to buy even if you feel doing so somehow lessens your experience, this of course has no right or wrong answer because its personal taste. 

Developers and Publishers however obviously feel that the majority of their customers would prefer to be offered optional DLC that they can chose to ignore rather than inflated prices on the base unit of the game in return for that content.

[Mister Mida]

OdanUrr wrote...

Apparently you didn't even bother to read the previous one or two pages before you posted so I'll sum it up for you: it wasn't officially known and people should not be expected to find out otherwise.

Right. You mean like how MP wasn't officially announced so it was easy to dismiss?