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[Vincent-Vega]

Let me start with saying I preordered the n7 edition, so technically this dlc doesn`t concern me directly, but I absolutely condemn this practice (day 1 dlc).

They NEVER should have made an CE/N7(exclusive) squad mate in the first place and here`s why:
-If you make an exclusive in game content, owners of the standard edition will complain (and rightly so), that they don't get the full ingame experience just because the don't want stuff like a metal box or litograph.

-If you dont't make it exclusive and make people pay extra for it just feels like an insult for most people because they pay a full game prize but dont't get the full game experience.
Yes, I know it's totally optional and yes i know even without the prothean you get a big game with a lot of content, but you don't get the full experience you could.

So where do you draw the line? Which content is critical to the game and which isn't. Are Garrus, Tali, Liara important? You could easily rewrite any of these characters as well to make them optional.

I`m also realistic enough to realise that companies try to maximize their gain (hell, i even studied economy for two semesters before I switched) and by adding this dlc to the CE bioware made a very clever move:
They made the CE more attractive (which means more sales), while at the same time they justified charging extra for the owners of the SE.
And by adding a prothean they made the dlc attractive enough that most ME fans feel like they miss something important if they don't buy it.

So is this understandable? yes, but this is NO way to treat your customers.

What I'm trying to say, the prothean should be a FREE part of the game for every edition. Demanding 800 MSP for it feels like a total rip-off.

And btw, that bioware is pretending that they basically added him during the last stage of development makes it even worse.

[RiouHotaru]

Dexi wrote...

There was no "desire" to give BW it's absolutetly lovely fanbase a piece of the game with so great importance as soon as possible. They didn't think at some point to postpone the Prothean DLC.

We know for months ( a lot of them) from a CE list leak that the Prothean DLC was intended to be a launch DLC.
Being a leak and not an official announcement, that means that it was decided by the marketing to be put there months earlier. That means that it was developed as a separated DLC from almost the beginning.  

So both Casey AND Mike are lying?  Because that's the only alternative.

[Dexi]

Draconis6666 wrote...
Basicaly Potential or Deserved Importance =/= Actual Importance

But that would mean BW deliberately ignores that potential and/or deserved importance. 
That would be bad, agreed? The reason for doing so, that is squeezing some money of it's fans, would be much worse.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

So we discover a living Prothean and that is merely a side mission and in no way tied to the plot?
Are you serious? What we take him to the Citadel and no one cares? We hunt for Prothean secrets or weapons that may help defeat the Reapers and Mr. Bumbaclot Prothean stays silent? We make a discovery on Eden Prime that is of no use in the main story? Why the f*** would I pay $10 or more for something that won't even have an effect on the main plot and is just fan-service? Take your DLC and ditch it because there is no point. This is like Luke discovering a self destruct button for the Death Star but never using it.

 Unfortunately perhaps, that is how 90% of DLC works: they don't influence the main plot, if not on purpose, and are fan-service as they are built with the assumption you must love the game or series to pay for DLC to begin with....  

I think personally that's a sound assumption: would you pay for any DLC if you hate a game? I wouldn't.  

That said, I hope that game companies when thinking about DLC makes some that actually DO impact the story but not in a way that breaks the canon in future titles. Since this IS the final game in the series, I believe it can and should to be more valuable, to be honest.

It's sort of radical, and if I was the head of a gaming company and know this was the final game of the current series of the universe, I would add cuts-scenes at the end here and there that influences the ending from a DLC character belonging to a faction so key to the series. 

Considering optional things such as Multiplayer can influence your galatical readiness score, I don't see why not some optional DLC content influencing things in ways as well.

It can be as simple as doing one of the possible actions for the player if he or she is part of the crew like how Wrex automatically killed a guy in ME1 if he was in your squad...

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 23 février 2012 - 11:35 .

[Dreskar]

Wall of text inbound, since eh people hve been telling me to, might as well.

Firstly going to post what has been said by the developer to use as a frame of reference, I heard there was a follow up post somewhere but the thread this was originally in exploded with comments and couldn't find the secondary post.

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday).

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

We’ll be releasing someimages and video about this pack in the coming days.

As always, we are extremely thankful for all of your support. We pulled out all of the stops to make Mass Effect 3 the best game ever, and we can't wait for you all to experience it.

Mike

[As a note this is highly opinionated, this is not objective discussion as we simply don't know enough about the character's storyline, this is mainly speculation based on what we have found so far and my thoughts why I hate the entire idea of this DLC.]

Now going by this it was stated that it was done by a seperate team and was only ready long after the game went into production (The actual final build and disc manufacture, not design time, etc) but wasn't this Squad Mate announced almost a year ago, around the May 2011 area? If the character has no significant impact on the story, something I will bring up later, then why did it take say roughly 12 months time to make. [This is a very rough guess, assuming it was started before May so it could be announced and has yet to be finished?] The other reason alot of people are upset is due to the stigma of Day 1 DLC which has in the past, even with BioWare games like Warden's Keep in DA:O, added content to the game that can directly involve the storyline. Don't get me wrong Warden's Keep was a very small dungeon but it did give you new powers, new armor, and a new weapon that could directly affect your playthrough.

The part where I scratch my head is that the squad member is a Prothen. If Michael's comment is to be believed the character is to have no impact on the storyline and so the DLC is not a required by to get the full story, but my reaction is more 'how is that possible?'. For those of you who don't know, the Protheans were an organic race that lived 50,000 years in the past from the current Mass Effect timeline and who were systematically wiped out by the Reaper swarms. That in and of itself is a problem as the only Prothean outpost alive after the reapers left was Ilos and all the protheans there eventually died from starvation after being brought back from cryostasis. The protheans who are stated to be smart enough to build Mass Relays and the likes also state they know one prothean or even a dozen remaining won't bring about a new population and so don't even try, so why was this one lone prothean put into cryo by himself? [This is speculation, naturally we won't know the full story until release.] The other major problem is that the Protheans are the entire and only reason these three games exist in the first place, had they not altered their cycle ever so slightly, the galaxy would have been under reaper invasion right after the title card came up.

To put it more simply, bringing even one member of an extinct race who is at the very least 50,000 years old and who is so monumentally important to the game back, was always going to cause rage. Not only does it seem like the fans are being exploited, after all it is stated this was made for the fans yet most fans are the ones shredding it apart, but to put a price tag of 10 dollars on a DLC [with an extremely rare squadmember, whose race is the single most important one in the universe, and yet who has no meaningful impact on the story and some new skins] really doesn't help the case of making it look less like a cash grab.

Now as for myself personally, and I know alot of people won't share the same opinion, but why is the last Prothean in existence Jamaican? It doesn't make me feel for the character, I can't help but immediatly throw him into the same pile with the Sons of Sandin in Saints Row 2, or Little Jacob in GTA 4. If the character is meant to be unserious and add levity its one thing, but so far the entire marketing and point behind Mass Effect 3 has been it is a dark, bitter world on the edge of oblivion. Its really a bad stereotype from me indeed, but the character's audio lines seem absurd and laughable, in the sense they are bad as opposed to actually funny. Again I know not everyone will share my point of view but I just wanted to give it.

Now people could argue that I don't have to get the character to play the full storyline, buts its a Prothean. That single fact means it has to be important to the stroy, if not then why not just make it a Zaaed 2.0, or a new Geth Platform, or a Batarian, or something that seems it could fit without breaking the lore of this carefully crafted universe. This is also the main reason so many people are angry (According to much of the postings, though I couldn't go through all of it, I would be here all week if that were the case x.x) that the single most important race in the galaxy has a squad member that you can't have unless you get a Collecters Edition (DDE) or pay 10 dollars for the right to play it.

Really I don't expect anyone from Bioware to respond back to me, but I just wanted to clarify why I personally think this DLC is a very bad idea. Naturally others see this as the coolest thing ever and that is their right to have that opinion. Also just to note I already pre-bought the N7 Collector's Edition many moons again, so I am speaking from the perspective of someone that was always going to get this character anyways.

Thank you for your time,
Setch Dreskar.

[Brian.V3]

Baal Sagoth wrote...

Brian.V3 wrote...

Well so is the prothean except apparently everyone and their mommy/daddy/religious deity are interested in it.

MP doesn't add anything storywise, Prothean is infinitely important for any ME universe fan. Pity You don't see the difference.

And it isn't about Prothean, Ripper or Volus squad member. It is about gamers who as customers have such low standards that they will gladly accept any rip off.

Imagine such bussines model with other products:

Cars - You can pay extra for ABS or driver's airbag. They aren't essential for car to work. But they are standard 'cause customers forced companies to that.

Books - And now Mighty Hero goes to Misty Swamps to fight Vile Hydra. But this part isn't as essential to the plot so You can buy that 20 pages as DLC.

This isn't possible with any other product, heck noone will ever think about it. Only we - gamers accept this.

So I need the Prothean to defeat the Reapers? Cause that is the only way that the Prothean can one up the Multiplayer aspect that you just downplayed my friend. I could choose to play it to up my readiness level but I probably wont. What does the Prothean give me? some insight on how life was back when the Reapers last glassed the galaxy?

Tell me oh wise one how is the Prothean experience so essential when I can go a whole playthrough and get the best uber ending without it? 

Like I said about this character... the guy is nothing but fan service nothing more. I couldn't imagine I shared the same thing with good ol' Mike Gamble. 

[Dexi]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dexi wrote...

There was no "desire" to give BW it's absolutetly lovely fanbase a piece of the game with so great importance as soon as possible. They didn't think at some point to postpone the Prothean DLC.

We know for months ( a lot of them) from a CE list leak that the Prothean DLC was intended to be a launch DLC.
Being a leak and not an official announcement, that means that it was decided by the marketing to be put there months earlier. That means that it was developed as a separated DLC from almost the beginning.  

So both Casey AND Mike are lying?  Because that's the only alternative.

You know how Casey said there will be NO Prothean DLC? 
You know how Casey lied about Kasumi? You know how Casey lies about everything? Lol. 

[Rockworm503]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dexi wrote...

There was no "desire" to give BW it's absolutetly lovely fanbase a piece of the game with so great importance as soon as possible. They didn't think at some point to postpone the Prothean DLC.

We know for months ( a lot of them) from a CE list leak that the Prothean DLC was intended to be a launch DLC.
Being a leak and not an official announcement, that means that it was decided by the marketing to be put there months earlier. That means that it was developed as a separated DLC from almost the beginning.  

So both Casey AND Mike are lying?  Because that's the only alternative.

*gasp*  a game dev lying to appease fans?  God forbid!

[Draconis6666]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Dexi wrote...

And your argument fights in the direction disproving of his existence altogether, not his importance. 

As I already stated, the status quo of his existence makes him important. 

But its true his existance is not required to be important or even needed simply because he exists, his entire DLC could very  well just be to simply allow players to explore more about teh lore aspect of the protheans in a way that has no relevance to the protheans contributions to the war against the reaper. In this regard yes he would have no importance or actual need to the game at all. He would simply be a way to provide fans of the series an insight into something that may interest them beyond whats important to the plot of the game.

Suppose the plot of his mission is simply an insight into the daily life of protheans before the reapers in that case what relevance does he have to the actual game itself? very little, but it would still be of value to pepole who wish to learn about the lore. Even if he had no mission at all and said nothing but one liners he would have value to people who just think its cool to have a prothean along to kill stuff with.

The status quo of his existance makes him possibly important but does not ensure it or guarantee it, because this is a game and not reality and what role he plays is not subject to actual interactions in which we would be free to pursu any course of interaction with him we wish, we are insteaad forced to interact with him within the constrains of how Bioware has chosen to allow us to. That does not have to be anything important to anythign at all, he could just as easily be Mute say nothing, have no mission and follow us around and shoot thigns and have zero relevance but still be inclluded because they felt like putting it in.

This would be a horrible implmementation and if thats how it was done, that would be plenty of concern for outrage over the wasted potential of the character, and likely his actual implementation will be just as much so.

His importance within the game however is not ensured by his existance alone, it only becomes a valid argument if you begin to include conjecture on what SHOULD be included and what IS included and how HE SHOULD relate to those things which in no way forces him to do so because his actions are determined by what Bioware has written for him and not by what we believe he should do.

Basicaly Potential or Deserved Importance =/= Actual Importance

Thank you.  If what you say is true than it makes it all the more easier to ignore it.
If this DLC is so not important than I have really no reason to get it.

Thats the nice thing about the fact that its DLC, its Optional If you feel concerned that it is not something that will interest you at all then you can simply not buy it, or wait till other people who do have played it and see what they say about its importance and then decide if you want to buy it.

Wouldnt you prefer that to the possible alternative of instead waiting longer to get the game and then paying more for the game itself to find that you waited so you could have a squad member and mission that you find completely uinteresting and unimportant?

[Cainne Chapel]

Maybe I'm the odd man out, but as I have no corporate allegiances really, Bioware/EAs decisions dont effect me on a daily level, so I can fortunately say as long as they make games I enjoy I could give a darn if they have day 1 DLC.

If as self titled "fan" thats the straw that breaks your back, a company wanting to make more money for optional content... well... you have a long rough live ahead of you in the real world....

[OdanUrr]

mjharper wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

mjharper wrote...

I don't really want to get involved in this discussion, but I wonder how much of the problem is down to names?

What would have happened if, instead of 'Collector's Edition' Bioware had called it the 'Fan Edition', or 'Full Edition', or even 'Standard Edition'; and if instead of 'Standard Edition' they called the cheaper set the 'Casual Edition' or 'Budget Edition'?

That would have made the matter worse.

Why? (Please humour me, I'm genuinely interested and not trying to troll!)

I believe GMOSinc put it better when s/he said you're essentially "classifying" your consumer base, separating them into fans and non-fans and it's not quite like that. For a variety of reasons, there will be a lot of people who won't be able to acquire the "fan" edition (limited copies, tight budget, not available in their country of residence, etc.). Does that mean they're not fans then? For instance, subject A lives in the US and can afford the $80 for the CE easily enough, was able to pre-order and will likely play the game on release date. Subject B lives in Kazakhstan. He too could easily afford the $80 for the CE, but in Kazakhstan the CE will cost $200 and will only be available five months after launch. Now the standard edition in Kazakhstan will cost $120 and subject B has chosen this one instead despite the fact he's paying a lot more than in other parts of the world. However, since he won't be acquiring the "fan" edition he isn't really a fan.

Neat, isn't it?

Modifié par OdanUrr, 23 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[RiouHotaru]

Dreskar wrote...

 If the character has no significant impact on the story, something I will bring up later, then why did it take say roughly 12 months time to make?

Because they spent their time working on the core game, rather than the DLC.

[Rockworm503]

Draconis6666 wrote...


Thats the nice thing about the fact that its DLC, its Optional If you feel concerned that it is not something that will interest you at all then you can simply not buy it, or wait till other people who do have played it and see what they say about its importance and then decide if you want to buy it.

Wouldnt you prefer that to the possible alternative of instead waiting longer to get the game and then paying more for the game itself to find that you waited so you could have a squad member and mission that you find completely uinteresting and unimportant?

Not in the slightest.
If having all the content was in the full game meant waiting longer for said game I'd happily wait.
Wether or not he's important shouldn't matter.
Its charging us for content on release day.... How ANYONE can think thats ok is beyond me.

[Confused-Shepard]

I would have preferred if we were merely paying for the right to use him as a squadmate and getting an extra loyalty/personal mission for Prothy (Eden Prime was his home). If you don't get the DLC, he still appears and is very important but you can't select him in your squad.

[Aetius5]

I think its contrieved to make people pay $10 for day one dlc. If you're going to release it on launch, then it should be free to everyone who buys the game new. Hell, I already preordered the N7 Edition, while I'm glad I'm getting it for free basicially, I still feel its not fair to everyone else.

[Esquin]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I'll play ME3. I'll probably love it. I'm sure i'll love From Ashes as well, I look forward to playing it and seeing what you guys came up with.

That isn't the issue. Day 1 DLC has in the past been a way to promote purchasing of the game new and not used. Thats what Bioware has used it for in the past. It's an idea I support and it's your right to do it. You want to make money from the game, that makes sense. So offering an incentive to players who pay you for the game is great. Well done for rewarding loyal fans.

Thats not what you've done here. Bioware is offering Day 1 DLC for a price. Something totally different to what has been done in the past and something I cannot support. I have already pre-ordered the CE so this doesn't impact me directly. I'm not about to cancel my pre-order over this. But I still feel the need to voice my opinion.

Day 1 DLC as a tool to promote new game purchases is great, good on you for doing it and I don't have any issue with it. What I take issue with is charging any new player regardless of where their copy came from to buy the day 1 DLC. It's wrong. The content exists and is ready for release, I respect that you weren't sure it would be ready before shipping. But it is. While it is your property and you can obviously do with it what you want, this kind of marketting will destroy a lot of faith that your customers have in Bioware. 

[MrLee95]

"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box."

BioWare really? You make something as important as the Protheans available in game and call it "optional content"? Sorry thats just BS you all know it!!
This just stinks EA all over it and its very sad that you all have to stoop down to these low levels to make a buck

You are treating your most faithful fans like crap! After DragonAge 2 I am really not liking what I have seen from BioWare, this is just sad!!

And you all damn well know how the economy is! You are asking use to spend $59 on a game, THEN wanting us to pay $10 more dollars when something like this should be included!!

This isn't Zheed or Kasumi, this is the fraking PROTHEANS!!!

STOP TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!

And just wanted to add, I also orderd the N7 edition, but I really think that the DLC should be for everyone to play. People who play Mass Effect are just as much of fans than I am. And when you throw the Protheans into the mix I would hope eveyone would get to see/play them because they are such and importance to the Mass Effect universe!
I really cannot belive that you guys are stooping this low! Its almost like a bad dream!! The company I have loved and trusted so much is turning into a money grubbing, make a quick buck like the other companies are!!

Modifié par MrLee95, 23 février 2012 - 11:46 .

[Blarty]

Dexi wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dexi wrote...

There was no "desire" to give BW it's absolutetly lovely fanbase a piece of the game with so great importance as soon as possible. They didn't think at some point to postpone the Prothean DLC.

We know for months ( a lot of them) from a CE list leak that the Prothean DLC was intended to be a launch DLC.
Being a leak and not an official announcement, that means that it was decided by the marketing to be put there months earlier. That means that it was developed as a separated DLC from almost the beginning.  

So both Casey AND Mike are lying?  Because that's the only alternative.

You know how Casey said there will be NO Prothean DLC? 
You know how Casey lied about Kasumi? You know how Casey lies about everything? Lol. 

And you know how Casey will not confirm anything because of spoliers and  the ridiculous nerd-armageddon that would occur if he were to casually drop a major spoiler into something on his Twitter feed? That

[IlluminaZer0]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I would suggest everyone NOT to purchase this simply because after the initial shock & awe moments of meeting Prothy and going to Eden Prime to find the "All Spark" that awakens "Gundam MX-3", the greatest fighting robot in all the cosmos, the whole experience will be dulled by the fact that all this will have ZERO effect on the main plot. Prothy will either stay silent or give a one liner whenever we see something interesting just like Legion in Mass Effect 2.

-------WITHOUT PROTHY----

Shepard: Oh my god! This Prothean archive contains blueprints for a giant fighting robot!
Liara: Hooray!

-------WITH PROTHY-----

Shepard: Oh my god! This Prothean archive contains blueprints for a giant fighting robot!
Liara: Hooray!
Prothy: You press the red button to shoot and press Z or R twice to do a barrel roll

Do people really want this?

Have to admit this made me LoL. It's likely true too.

Was planning to purchase tonight, now going to wait for a few months -- And I might get it used. Shame as the multiplayer really made me excited for ME3.

To me it's not about money but principle, and I believe most of the people complaining about this feel the same way.

[DaJe]

Blarty wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Does the game put up on the screen - 'Before you enter the final conflict, please insert 800MS points to buy Prothean DLC to continue'?

Nope.

Then what exactly is all the fuss about - dear god.... I'm sure next to the phrase 'First World Problem' will be 'syn: Bioware Social Network'

I assume many who are making a "fuss" about this, like me, are extrapolating the signs.
Considering the development of the past few years, in the future even more important things to the story will be cut from the games and sold as DLC. For many people exluding a freakin prothean from the main game already crosses the line, and that line is moving away from customer interest with every game.
It is not only an uproar to stop whats goin on now in the game industry (not every developer), but also what is to come.
If we don't defend our interests, it wont be long before "please visit our online store to purchase the next level in the story." will become reality.

Modifié par DaJe, 23 février 2012 - 11:41 .

[Hardwired]

I am sorry Mr Gamble, but you do not have my support.

These types of low and underhanded tactics of obvious moneygrabbing nature is not ok.
This is content that was created pre-launch. It is also content that is a major deal, regardless of what you say it is. It is a mission on Eden prime with the addition of a Prothean member. Anyone familiar of the story of Mass effect know that this is a big deal.
Purely cosmetic content is one thing. Or perhaps flat team additions like Zhaed or Kasumi that have no major impact on the content, and was released post-launch.
But this is denying content that was created pre-launch to all except those who pay the digital collectors edition or pay and extra 10 bucks on launchday.

Holding out on content like this and saying it's for the hardcore user is bull****, plain and simple. It's a greedy and highly disgraceful way for doing business.

I have been an avid Bioware fan for a very long time. Supporting the company and buying close to every release you have ever pushed out, due to it being a quality product with excellent storylines. The quality has no doubt not changed, but due to this underhanded move I have made the very difficult decition to not support you any longer.
It really is a drag to say it. I will not be able to conclude that Mass effect story due to this obvious act of pure greed.

And I urge any that feel the same to take this step. We can't be pushed around as consumers and we should not accept crap like this.

I shall not be buying this game.

[Dexi]

 I cut out everything but the points I have also tried to make (and I believe are most relevant) .  

Dreskar wrote...


Now going by this it was stated that it was done by a seperate team and was only ready long after the game went into production (The actual final build and disc manufacture, not design time, etc) but wasn't this Squad Mate announced almost a year ago, around the May 2011 area? If the character has no significant impact on the story, something I will bring up later, then why did it take say roughly 12 months time to make. 

The part where I scratch my head is that the squad member is a Prothen. If Michael's comment is to be believed the character is to have no impact on the storyline and so the DLC is not a required by to get the full story, but my reaction is more 'how is that possible?'.

That in and of itself is a problem as the only Prothean outpost alive after the reapers left was Ilos and all the protheans there eventually died from starvation after being brought back from cryostasis (...) so why was this one lone prothean put into cryo by himself?

To put it more simply, bringing even one member of an extinct race who is at the very least 50,000 years old and who is so monumentally important to the game back, was always going to cause rage.


(...)with an extremely rare squadmember, whose race is the single most important one in the universe, and yet who has no meaningful impact on the story and some new skins] really doesn't help the case of making it look less like a cash grab.


Now people could argue that I don't have to get the character to play the full storyline, buts its a Prothean. That single fact means it has to be important to the stroy.

Thank you for your time,
Setch Dreskar.

Glad somebody also gets it as I do. 

Modifié par Dexi, 23 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[Rockworm503]

MrLee95 wrote...

"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box."

BioWare really? You make something as important as the Protheans available in game and call it "optional content"? Sorry thats just BS you all know it!!
This just stinks EA all over it and its very sad that you all have to stoop down to these low levels to make a buck

You are treating your most faithful fans like crap! After DragonAge 2 I am really not liking what I have seen from BioWare, this is just sad!!

And you all damn well know how the economy is! You are asking use to spend $59 on a game, THEN wanting us to pay $10 more dollars when something like this should be included!!

This isn't Zheed or Kasumi, this is the fraking PROTHEANS!!!

STOP TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!

Oh gosh stop being so entitled 

[Kevin Lozandier]

Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with?  

I would say you're arguments are under an easily arguable assumption that CE should not have any additional game content. I don't see why that is a problem. We buy games to be interactive, to do stuff, to have an interactive experience. If I wanted anything else, I would watch a movie, read a comic book, go to gaming sites devoted to gaming news about how the game developed over time and etc. 

Collector Edition of games featuring additional content to play with or interact with with the gameplay engine of the game (or perhaps in another way different from the core game) is more than reasonable to represent what Collector Edition in gaming should be. 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 23 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[Blarty]

MrLee95 wrote...

"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box."

BioWare really? You make something as important as the Protheans available in game and call it "optional content"? Sorry thats just BS you all know it!!
This just stinks EA all over it and its very sad that you all have to stoop down to these low levels to make a buck

You are treating your most faithful fans like crap! After DragonAge 2 I am really not liking what I have seen from BioWare, this is just sad!!

And you all damn well know how the economy is! You are asking use to spend $59 on a game, THEN wanting us to pay $10 more dollars when something like this should be included!!

This isn't Zheed or Kasumi, this is the fraking PROTHEANS!!!

STOP TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!

A Single Philip J Fry Prothean 50000 years out of his depth or the effects and consequences of the Prothean extinction 50000 years ago - which one is more important to Mass Effect as a whole? Make a snap-decision you have 5 seconds.....