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[MrLee95]

Rockworm503 wrote...

MrLee95 wrote...

"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box."

BioWare really? You make something as important as the Protheans available in game and call it "optional content"? Sorry thats just BS you all know it!!
This just stinks EA all over it and its very sad that you all have to stoop down to these low levels to make a buck

You are treating your most faithful fans like crap! After DragonAge 2 I am really not liking what I have seen from BioWare, this is just sad!!

And you all damn well know how the economy is! You are asking use to spend $59 on a game, THEN wanting us to pay $10 more dollars when something like this should be included!!

This isn't Zheed or Kasumi, this is the fraking PROTHEANS!!!

STOP TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!

Oh gosh stop being so entitled 

I am entitled to nothing, as I have added in my post, I pre-ordered the N7 edition. I am more pissed that this is a clear money grab and something this important should be for EVERYONE to experiance.

[Blarty]

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

[Cainne Chapel]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Cancel this shoddy DLC. I am not joking. It's purely fan service and will add nothing
Bioware introduced me to RPG's and now it's making me despise them.

Then dont buy it?  If its of no importance to you why even care?  Ignore it, Things I dont care about its what I do.  Like I do with a majority of DLC, heck even with games I LIKE I dont always buy the DLC, I just gloss over it and move on in most cases.

Not that big a deal honestly

[Kevin Lozandier]

Reinholder wrote...

 Having pondered my response, I think I've decided how best to put this.

19 months ago, I boxed my xbox. I boxed it on account of how utterly hostile some members of the XBL community can be, and then when I saw the graphical comparisons for some of the games I enjoy, I figured that I may as well make the switch; I have consciously bought hi definition entertainment, and felt that I was simply not getting that on the xbox on the whole.

The said, I have very patiently re-purchased every game I ever owned on the xbox via steam, origin or even impulse, to the point that I can now boast that the games I own are there to play whenever I choose - I proudly bought the digital deluxe edition of mass effect 2, and would have done the same with mass effect 1 had there been that option available.

However.

Game in the UK is woefully inadequate when it comes to the PC consumer; we often suffer at the hands of their business practices, meaning that it can often take weeks for a game such as Space Marine to make it to the steam platform, and even then, it's really been too late because Game's attitude to the PC market has essentially killed that franchise before it has even begun. Bearing this in mind, I want to assure you that I'm completely serious when I say that I've called every shop between Liskeard and Bristol to ask for a PC version of the collector's edition, only to be told that Game/Gamestation had not bought any stock, and would not be likely to in the future. As a consumer, and as a fan of Mass Effect as a whole, that hurts me that I can't support a product that I believe in.

Then we come to the online version; I can't justify £54.99 for a "collector's edition" that I physically don't have in my hand. I can go along with the idea of a standard copy, however, despite it being £35 for a single copy. Now. Where it gets complicated, is that with the DLC, it'll probably cost £8-9 in the UK at release, taking the price up to £43-44 for the standard edition, which means in the long run, I may as well have bought the collector's edition anyway, for the sake of £10. My question to Bioware is this:

Where's my incentive to remain a loyal customer over the next ten years, when you treat me, as a consumer with that much contempt? Don't get me wrong - if this were something stupid like a scope or a gun, I wouldn't give a crap; I would probably buy all the DLC anyway - but what we're talking about here, is a character that is an integral and essential part of the storytelling thread to the mass effect storyline - not DLC where we discover Miranda has been up to, but something that you've woven into every whispered thread since mass effect 1. It's unethical that you're making people who may not be able to afford to pay for DLC to do so, in order to get complete satisfaction from what you promise will be the conclusion of the Shepard storyline.

Are you forgetting people like me? I'm part of the reason you're here - I've bought KOTOR 1&2, Dragon Age 1&3, Mass Effect 1&2, and have bought Star Wars: The Old Republic - but am seriously considering ridding myself of it precisely because of your business practices.

It's bad enough that you continually disregard the wishes of many a user and add Gamepad support to all three games, but to disregard a loyal customer so flagrantly and wilfully, to the point of with holding a vital story thread could only be described as contemptable behaviour at best, and there should be a law in the EU about this kind of practice of monetising important story elements.

I urge you. Do the decent thing, and package this DLC properly so that it completes the game. Until you do so, I shan't be completing my journey with Shepard until Mass Effect 3 becomes a bargain basement product, and it will make me think twice about buying your merchandise and software in the future.

You don't know the story of the game, how can you assert with certainty that this Prothean is so key to the story? Sure, his race is important; but if another  Krogan or a  Collector (a 'reapified' Prothean) was DLC, would you be mad as well as those races are certainly key to the story? 

For all we know, there may be other Protheans features in the game or they are involved with the super weapon I won't name that was revealed in the new Art book for the series.

[Confused-Shepard]

Ilgar92 wrote...

Quiron-br wrote...

This is the last time you see my money, Bioware.

This.


Three reasons why I'm still buying it (CE) 

1) This is the end of my all-time favorite story.
2) This is the final goodbye to probably the greatest characters in videogames history. (We love them, we hate them, but we can't stay indifferent th them.)
3) Voice actors: Martin Sheen, Seth Green, Tricia Helfer, Ali Hillis, Carrie-Ann Moss and the rest....THANK YOU GUYS!

 This is indeed the last time you see my money, Bioware.

Same here! As Uncle Mario would say, "Arrivederci and Bouna Fortuna!"
The worst part is that I can't even call ALL fans victims because of the Jennifer Helper controversy
But you and me are definately victims. 

[OdanUrr]

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

You shouldn't shake your fist at the sky, you should...

... bring down the sky!

[Selor Kiith]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Thats how debate works you accuse them of something they claim its not true and then you prove that it is, you dont accuse them, then tell them that they are lying and demand they prove it without evidence of your own to back up your claim that they are lying.

I am not accusing them of lying...

They simply have to lie, that's what's called PR...
Of course they will NEVER tell us the truth of why and how this came to be, simply because, no matter how that truth is, it will bite them in the back.
You will NEVER see a representative of a company go before their customers and tell them "We just want to increase our profit"
Every representative everywhere in any company will stand before their customers and start an eloquent speach about how this exact move will only benefit the customers itself and how grateful the company is to have all these loyal customers and how pleased they are that they can do so much good for the customers. And how this, really, really miniscule raise in price will actually benefit the customer because they get more money to make even better products just tailored for the loyal, loyal, customers.
That's Business 101... and there's no denying in that.
And that is one argument that supports that this is just marketing that ALL people here share and use in different fashions... it is business they do and that means it is their goal to get as much money as possible from a product and set a destination for the future...

If that means loosing some customers, so be it, if in the long run it makes them a hell lot of money...
The Problem is also that some companies nowadays are so big that most customers think they can't do anything against it and just swallow whatever the company throws at them, while a few just rage and even fewer actually understand what's going on.
The Bigger a Company gets, the less they have to rely on individual customers... There will be enough "Go-By" Customers that will just come into a store, see a flashy Stand In, buy the product and leave, "never" to be seen again.

I can understand why they are doing this but I still don't have to agree with it...

[Draconis6666]

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

No no his name must be Tom and he should be a Vorcha because you fought Vorchain ME 2 so they are integral to the story!

[Cainne Chapel]

MrLee95 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

MrLee95 wrote...

"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box."

BioWare really? You make something as important as the Protheans available in game and call it "optional content"? Sorry thats just BS you all know it!!
This just stinks EA all over it and its very sad that you all have to stoop down to these low levels to make a buck

You are treating your most faithful fans like crap! After DragonAge 2 I am really not liking what I have seen from BioWare, this is just sad!!

And you all damn well know how the economy is! You are asking use to spend $59 on a game, THEN wanting us to pay $10 more dollars when something like this should be included!!

This isn't Zheed or Kasumi, this is the fraking PROTHEANS!!!

STOP TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!

Oh gosh stop being so entitled 

I am entitled to nothing, as I have added in my post, I pre-ordered the N7 edition. I am more pissed that this is a clear money grab and something this important should be for EVERYONE to experiance.

You could say the same thing for Kasumi or LOTSB or Arrival too... ANY DLC really.

But in the end it doesnt matter, maybe some WANT to buy it, maybe some dont. To those that di $10 will be worth it, other get to save their money and beat the game regardless, NO DLC has a 100% attachment rate... why? Because some people just dont care to own it. Simple.

[Quarters Alpha]

I'm pretty pumped for this. I really liked the Zaeed/Kasumi stuff in ME2, so I'm looking forward to seeing how you guys handle it in ME3. It'd be nice if the Prothean was integrated kind of like how Sebastion was in some of DA2(like some of the ending and everything), but since that hasn't been how exactly they've handled it before, I'm not really expecting them to do that. Regardless, should be pretty awesome.

[Kevin Lozandier]

MrLee95 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

MrLee95 wrote...

"The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase). Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box."

BioWare really? You make something as important as the Protheans available in game and call it "optional content"? Sorry thats just BS you all know it!!
This just stinks EA all over it and its very sad that you all have to stoop down to these low levels to make a buck

You are treating your most faithful fans like crap! After DragonAge 2 I am really not liking what I have seen from BioWare, this is just sad!!

And you all damn well know how the economy is! You are asking use to spend $59 on a game, THEN wanting us to pay $10 more dollars when something like this should be included!!

This isn't Zheed or Kasumi, this is the fraking PROTHEANS!!!

STOP TREATING YOUR CUSTOMERS LIKE CRAP TO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!

Oh gosh stop being so entitled 

I am entitled to nothing, as I have added in my post, I pre-ordered the N7 edition. I am more pissed that this is a clear money grab and something this important should be for EVERYONE to experiance.

It's in the Collector's Edition; it means more to long-time fans of the series so it means so much more to them than anyone else. At least, that is what I think. 

[OdanUrr]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

No no his name must be Tom and he should be a Vorcha because you fought Vorchain ME 2 so they are integral to the story!

Funny you should mention Vorcha, I'm still not entirely sure what their purpose in ME2 was.

[Confused-Shepard]

Did it have to be a Prothean? The fact that the series has lasted this long is enough fan service
This is the equivalent of Dumbledore being reduced to a one off joke character in Harry Potter

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 23 février 2012 - 12:02 .

[Blarty]

OdanUrr wrote...

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

You shouldn't shake your fist at the sky, you should...

... bring down the sky!

I'm trying to son, but they won't give me what I want!!!

[Blarty]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

No no his name must be Tom and he should be a Vorcha because you fought Vorchain ME 2 so they are integral to the story!

I always thought Vincent would be a good name for a Vorcha.... but Tom is good too... but he must wear a monocle at all times.

[Cainne Chapel]

Selor Kiith wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Thats how debate works you accuse them of something they claim its not true and then you prove that it is, you dont accuse them, then tell them that they are lying and demand they prove it without evidence of your own to back up your claim that they are lying.

I am not accusing them of lying...

They simply have to lie, that's what's called PR...
Of course they will NEVER tell us the truth of why and how this came to be, simply because, no matter how that truth is, it will bite them in the back.
You will NEVER see a representative of a company go before their customers and tell them "We just want to increase our profit"
Every representative everywhere in any company will stand before their customers and start an eloquent speach about how this exact move will only benefit the customers itself and how grateful the company is to have all these loyal customers and how pleased they are that they can do so much good for the customers. And how this, really, really miniscule raise in price will actually benefit the customer because they get more money to make even better products just tailored for the loyal, loyal, customers.
That's Business 101... and there's no denying in that.
And that is one argument that supports that this is just marketing that ALL people here share and use in different fashions... it is business they do and that means it is their goal to get as much money as possible from a product and set a destination for the future...

If that means loosing some customers, so be it, if in the long run it makes them a hell lot of money...
The Problem is also that some companies nowadays are so big that most customers think they can't do anything against it and just swallow whatever the company throws at them, while a few just rage and even fewer actually understand what's going on.
The Bigger a Company gets, the less they have to rely on individual customers... There will be enough "Go-By" Customers that will just come into a store, see a flashy Stand In, buy the product and leave, "never" to be seen again.

I can understand why they are doing this but I still don't have to agree with it...

I get your argument Selor, I'm in sales and marketing myself, PR isn't necessarily lying, but its putting up your best front to get  adesired outcome.  Hell any time you're in public all it is, is PR.

People do it in their day to day life every day.  They look good because they want the best reactions, act nice because they want your business, etc etc. 

When you're around it all the time, you really stop caring and just get on with things, So i understand your point.  I just feel being in the industry I dont necessarily need to always scrutinize other PR guys because just like with sales... I get it.  I would hope MOST people that deal with the public understand it too... as they're PR wherever they work if they believe it or not.

But always remember ALL companies are bigger than just one customer, They'll do their best to please the greatest number of their customers but you have to realize, NO company, EVER will ever get it ALL right.  Even if they have a 99% satisfaction rate.... doesn't help that 1 customer who IS unhappy ya know?

SO you just gotta take the bad with the good, and as much as I love my video games, I just dont think their worth getting a headache over

[Confused-Shepard]

Blarty wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

You shouldn't shake your fist at the sky, you should...

... bring down the sky!

I'm trying to son, but they won't give me what I want!!!

You know it's stuff like this that makes us look like gullible fools and leads to exploitation
In the games industry, the customer is always WRONG apparently 

[Hardwired]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Wow even though i've been on BSN for years, the amount of random....whine-ery over Day 1 DLC, at the same time baffles and stuns me.

I can understand being upset, I get that, but to swear off a gaming company as a whole because of it... I just dont see why. I understand the monetary thing but people come on... Video gaming is a luxury, not a necessity, its not food, its not water, its not essential to your life. But with the amount of furor here over a freaking optional team mate...

its downright amazing honestly.

This is correct.

It is not essential to my wellbeing and it is indeed a luxury that I indulge myself with. And as such it is my right to decide what my money is used for. In this case I refuse to support a business move that I find disgusting in it's nature. So it is my decition to not support it with my money.

Beyond that is of course my opinion. That this is not just another teammate. Zhaed and Katsumi were like that, and they came to be post-launch. This is a prothean teammate with attaches storyline. Anyone who has played these games what kind of major deal that is. And it is created pre-launch, and my most inlinations was planned for long beforehand.

Thats whay people are upset over this.

[Draconis6666]

Selor Kiith wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Thats how debate works you accuse them of something they claim its not true and then you prove that it is, you dont accuse them, then tell them that they are lying and demand they prove it without evidence of your own to back up your claim that they are lying.

I am not accusing them of lying...

They simply have to lie, that's what's called PR...
Of course they will NEVER tell us the truth of why and how this came to be, simply because, no matter how that truth is, it will bite them in the back.
You will NEVER see a representative of a company go before their customers and tell them "We just want to increase our profit"
Every representative everywhere in any company will stand before their customers and start an eloquent speach about how this exact move will only benefit the customers itself and how grateful the company is to have all these loyal customers and how pleased they are that they can do so much good for the customers. And how this, really, really miniscule raise in price will actually benefit the customer because they get more money to make even better products just tailored for the loyal, loyal, customers.
That's Business 101... and there's no denying in that.
And that is one argument that supports that this is just marketing that ALL people here share and use in different fashions... it is business they do and that means it is their goal to get as much money as possible from a product and set a destination for the future...

If that means loosing some customers, so be it, if in the long run it makes them a hell lot of money...
The Problem is also that some companies nowadays are so big that most customers think they can't do anything against it and just swallow whatever the company throws at them, while a few just rage and even fewer actually understand what's going on.
The Bigger a Company gets, the less they have to rely on individual customers... There will be enough "Go-By" Customers that will just come into a store, see a flashy Stand In, buy the product and leave, "never" to be seen again.

I can understand why they are doing this but I still don't have to agree with it...

Agree with you 100% on that point you have absolutly no obligation to agree wth their business model, but this forum is a poor place to convey your disagreement. Because it is populated by trolls and ranters to the point where Bioware can hardly be expected to take anything said here seriously. If you truly disagree with their business practices and are not just complaining because you feel that if you complain enough they will give you what you want for free. Then I would urge you to send an email expressing your concerns and your complains to EA and Bioware, in a civil manner that makes it clear to them what it is you disagree with, that you will not be paying for their products while this continues and more importantly what you would like them to do to correct the issue.

Bioware and EA are not mindreaders, even if they decide that the outcry of their customers warrants action they have to decide what action to take, nothing they do will please everyone, but expressing your opinion on the issue to them in a way that is not garbled beneith layers of forum drivle, trolling, and "PRE ORDER CANCLED!!" posts is a far more meaningful approach to the issue.

[shedevil3001]

i've had a few problems with dlc, like not authorized even though i payed for them or not recieving the right dlc, which makes me a bit weary of buying dlc, but theres no way im cancelling my pre order, im way to excited about me3 to do that, hopefully if i decide to get thefrom ashes dlc i wont have any problems

[wh00ley 06]

This is absolutely unacceptable. The difference between Mass Effect 2 and 3 has become the difference between rewarding loyal fans and punishing others. Completely absurd. I've preordered the CE but I'll be rescinding that until I see that this DLC is free over the Alliance Network. Don't let EA bully you, because bullies are all they are.

[Draconis6666]

Blarty wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

No no his name must be Tom and he should be a Vorcha because you fought Vorchain ME 2 so they are integral to the story!

I always thought Vincent would be a good name for a Vorcha.... but Tom is good too... but he must wear a monocle at all times.

Indeed  a cane would also be quite fitting

[Amikae]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Blarty wrote...

I want a Batarian squadmate as that has more direct and current influence on ME3 than some 'where the hell am I?' Prothean.... give me my Batarian squaddie, name him 'Brian', give me the DLC on release and make it free!!!! *shakes fist at sky*

No no his name must be Tom and he should be a Vorcha because you fought Vorchain ME 2 so they are integral to the story!

I always thought Vincent would be a good name for a Vorcha.... but Tom is good too... but he must wear a monocle at all times.

Indeed  a cane would also be quite fitting

You're quite the spammer, aren't you?