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[LivingHitokiri]

neubourn wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...

Because it affects your choice in total different way than including an important figurine as DLC,having a prothean as DLC pretty much screams out " that you dont get this you missing things from the GAME* and EA makes use of this exact thing.
Having Zaeed and kasumi that got their own stories irrelevant to the main plot but still interesting makes me CHOOSE if i want it in my addition to the MAIN game.
Nobody demanded  this hence the outrage proves it,nobody demands to get downgraded and rediculed by EA's greedy policy.
LTB is indeed a good addition but its a SIDE story,Shadow broker doesnt even comes close or even will in ME series as protheans do. it is not even fair to compare it.
Many people try to exclude the prothean importance by saying that they finished in ME 1 and ME 2,but, people forget that this is a TRILOGY , ME 3 as standalone is incomplete,ME 1,2,3 are all 1 story,not separated,games,not separated timelines,not separated sequels.

I dont disagree. But you said it yourself: CHOICE. You still have it. 

They know what they are doing, which is why they did it. They know people would drool over this and want it really bad, if we didnt...then there wouldnt be a 100+ page thread on this subject. And you actually have the CHOICE to get it if you want, you have to pay for it. 

To me...that is how business is supposed to run. They announce OPTIONAL content...content you dont physically NEED to finish the game (a la "online pass" garbage), but because it is sometihng that people actually want, it should be free? You can still choose to buy it (or not)...which also by the way is a drastic change from it being "EXCLUSIVE TO CE ORDERS" like it was for months. 

You guys are mad because they tickled your sense of curioisty, but are asking you to pay to have it satisfied. 

I gave you an example of dlc that allows us to make the choice  and the one that EA tries to promote day 1 is pretty much the oposite, they want to get rid of the choice because they give you somehting important as dlc so they force you ( in a way) so they maximize their profit.
Bioware said they removed the script probably because  they thought they wouldnt made it time to finish the prothean story properly.They finished the game but they actually managed to finish it,so basically they should add it as free dlc and say " guys we actually managed to finish this so we will add it as dlc day one like we planned to do tobegin with in the original game" and not " guys we finished a dlc which got important part  of the game but youl have to pay 10$ for it  and count it as something different"
This attitude alone is what insults me as customer, its like, we gonna add it to the game but lets make profit with and actually  get rid of the burden of free DLC that we have to add for the CE orders making the next DLCs to be paid for everyone.We also increase the price of DLC to make the CE and Deluxe edition to look like they worth more money since they get such an " expensive" dlc for free.

[Hardwired]

realguile wrote...

 And the crying from the vocal minority contiunes...

Pay the money and shut up, or better yet, get out of here. if bioware disgusts you so much then get lost.

I'll be playing the collectors edition with my new squadmate and the rest of you can choke on your tears.

That was uncalled for. And more than a little bit childish.

[Kevin Lozandier]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Amikae wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Is there any way to pay more than $10 for the Prothean? Because I would love to pay extra if it meant that the haters who have the audacity to question BioWare and even call them liars would keep quiet and stop ruining everyone else's fun.

Seriously guys, you complain over everything.

If Mass Effect 3 were $100 and you had to pay $10 for every squadmate in the game extra, it'd still be worth it because it's BioWare and with BioWare, you know that you get what you pay for.

God forbid we question BioWare/EA. What a mortal sin....

So you're saying Bioware to undo the work they did for some time to seperate this character from the core game, stop the presses of the game currently being reproduced by the thousands for March 6, 2012 and act like those copies and the money spent to make those copies don't exist, and add back something that is at most maybe at most 1-2 additional gameplay + the completely unnecessary additional gun and custome despite all the work and sweat they've made to make it a DLC-worthy package? 


That's insane. They made a decision. Based on their rationale, it made sense. Some aren't going to like it. But the way they have packaged it and the fact that it's included free with those who was likely to appreciate it the most, there's not much of a foul in my opinion.

Considering how other company's DLC have been implemented at the same price range (remember this DLC is MORE than the Prothean), it's reasonable value. 

Unless you wanted an unexpected buggy experience for the final chapter of the Mass Effect series, I think what's not being taken account how long it takes to make games like this, and what factors you have to take into account with an additional content being properly added to a game to be an 'important part of the story'.


This content is for long-faithful fans. It's in the Collector's Edition for free rather than be scrapped like some content before DLC was truly feasible. 

It should have stayed scrapped.
Something as important as a LIVING PROTHEAN should not be DURR! $10 Optional DLC 

If not obvious already, I don't see why not. 

As I already stated: Collector Edition of Comics have extra panels. Collector Edition of Movies have uncut material. Why can't Collector Edition of Games not have additional content to play with?  

Why can't it be as awesome as this is going to be as something that makes fans of ME1+ME2 (If you only played ME2, Protheans aren't much of a value) say, 'awesome'? 

Modifié par Kevin Lozandier, 23 février 2012 - 12:41 .

[Confused-Shepard]

Well I guess I will be ignoring this DLC because I would rather NOT have to deal with Bob the Prothean Janitor who despite being a survivor of the previous Reaper culling will be of no use.

Thanks but no thanks Bioware. I still believe the rest of the game will be great
Bit disappointed with the whole Prothean situation however.

[Cainne Chapel]

Jostle wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

No I get it Jostle, I even understand it.  I'm still amazed by it personally, because most "fans" of stuff I know aren't so easily swayed or jaded.

I've been a Detroit lions fan for 20 years now...granted I dont buy everything lions branded or go or even watch EVERY game, but i've been a consistent fan in those 20 years and we dont exactly have a winning team by the numbers.

I guess i'm just surprised by the amount of suddenly "fair weather" fans the series seems to have drummed up I guess. Maybe its cuz I have a high threshold and it takes more than one average game (DA2) or marketing (which I mostly ignore being IN marketing in a fashion) or even DLC to really rile me.

I also admit I dont think of bioware as some holy game developer either, I just recognize that a LOT of the games they HAVE made, I've enjoyed immensely (BG, BG2, KOTOR, NWN, and so on, though i've never played sonic, MDK2 or shattered steel) So i base my purchases off of that, rather than hype or what not.  So its really hard for me to swear off a whole dev house over a few missteps

I know, man, and I hear you. However, I don't think all these people could be described as easily swayed or jaded. It really hurts when a company and team you've loved for a long time starts to fail you, and then continues to fail you. Hopefully, they can turn themselves around. If ME3 ends up being what I genuinely hope that it's NOT (a terrible experience) then all they'll have left to ruin is Jade Empire... It's not just a couple of missteps, but a totally different path.

Having said all that, I'm sure there are plenty of people for whom this is the first offensive move from Bioware and are up in arms about it. It's just not that way for me, personally. BG, BG2, KOTOR, and NWN are a long time past, my friend, and the fact that they were all such amazing experiences makes me more annoyed at Bioware, not less, because I know what they're capable of.

True those games are all long past, but even now i have yet to have a truly BAD gaming experience from bioware (and honestly I know my tastes good enough now that I rarely EVER have a bad gaming experience... except for that 7-up Spot game for NES......damn him!)

I've enjoyed ME1 and ME2 more than iv'e enjoyed most games, I even enjoyed DA:O and DA2 (which I didn't think was horrible or bad, just... average).  So I have yet to be diswayed from bioware yet and honestly what i've seen and played of ME3, highly doubt I'll be dissapointed.

So for myself, I'm not worried.

[Exia001]

Hardwired wrote...

realguile wrote...

 And the crying from the vocal minority contiunes...

Pay the money and shut up, or better yet, get out of here. if bioware disgusts you so much then get lost.

I'll be playing the collectors edition with my new squadmate and the rest of you can choke on your tears.

That was uncalled for. And more than a little bit childish.

You are an idiot Guile

But I will say, ten dollars is not that much, it'll hardly break the bank but is guess choice is choice

[OdanUrr]

Blarty wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

This content is for long-faithful fans. It's in the Collector's Edition for free rather than be scrapped like some content before DLC was truly feasible. 

Please, let us stop with that particular disingenuous assertion.<_<

Here's a thought - you're a PS3 ME2 owner just what exactly do you care for the Protheans? You came to the Mass Effect franchise mainly through ME2 not ME1, what exactly do you care for the Protheans? If Protheans were completely intergral to the plot after ME1, why were they reduced to a couple of lines dialogue and a few add on artifacts in Liaras apartment (that came in a DLC no less!)? 

I get what you're saying about Protheans being important, but how important is a single survivor (for now) in the current ME3 age?

Some people care about the Prothean, some would prefer them, in their game, to stay dead or at least, not playable.... and others won't care either way
 

You wouldn't. You wouldn't. Still trying to figure that one out. Could be completely useless for all I know.

In fact, come to think of it, Vigil could've been offered as DLC too. After all, he doesn't really add anything that we don't already know. Change Vigil for a few more scenes of Shepard and Liara figuring out the Prothean vision and you're done. He's even discarded in ME2. Sure, you can talk to him about the Prothean's theories on Reapers and how they got owned by them and all that, but you can still defeat Saren without him, right?

PS: I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

[Draconis6666]

voteDC wrote...

I can't see how the last member of the race that cracked the secrets of Reaper tech with the Conduit, wrote code to over-ride the Reapers control of the Keepers and the Citadel, delaying the invasion so the events of Mass Effect could happen in the first place, could be considered to be optional or non-essential to the story.

To me this Prothean is absolutely essential to the story as it is only the actions of his race that gave Shepard the chance to stop the Reapers in the first place.

For me that would be the reason that he was made paid content, either by buying the Collectors Edition or the day 1 DLC, because Bioware/EA would know that people would consider such a character essential to the game.

Hes not absolutly essential because he himself did none of those things and could have no knowledge of the reapers at all. Just being a prothean does not make him the fountain of all prothean knowledge. Your second point is far more valid and arguablly a shady practice, but at the same time its simply how business works. You make money by offering something to peope that interestes them and will motivate them to pay money for it. Again as has been stated they could just as easily instead FORCE you to pay for it by making you pay $70 to get the game at all would you feel more satisifed in that case? Would it make it any better for the game to be included and everyone get it but everyone pay $70?

[Blarty]

voteDC wrote...

I can't see how the last member of the race that cracked the secrets of Reaper tech with the Conduit, wrote code to over-ride the Reapers control of the Keepers and the Citadel, delaying the invasion so the events of Mass Effect could happen in the first place, could be considered to be optional or non-essential to the story.

To me this Prothean is absolutely essential to the story as it is only the actions of his race that gave Shepard the chance to stop the Reapers in the first place.

For me that would be the reason that he was made paid content, either by buying the Collectors Edition or the day 1 DLC, because Bioware/EA would know that people would consider such a character essential to the game.

Do we know if the Prothean was part of the Citadel team? Does the Prothean even know what happened to his/her race? What if, heaven forbid, Liara and Shepard know more about the Prothean extinction than the Prothean does? In this instance the Prothean isn't essential. Making out that the actions and events of a character's race makes the single character indispensable is missing the crux that it is the race and events concerning them that are important.
 

[wolf99000]

wow talk about over reaction I would understand if bioware just left this squadmate to the people who got the ce version like me but not over the fact they are making sure everyone gets the dlc in the long run

as for price and if its worth it you guys are crazy you cannot judge that till you have played it from everything I read this dlc is not like the me2 dlc squadmates that you dont really get a conversation with this is a full part of the game from start to end so it should be well worth the money

[Matchy Pointy]

I hate day 1 DLC, that being said though, there is no way to even know yet how essential eh is to the story, but the fact you can play wihtout him and finish the game makes him not quite essential. Still dont like this though.

[Kroepoek]

realguile wrote...

 And the crying from the vocal minority contiunes...

Pay the money and shut up, or better yet, get out of here. if bioware disgusts you so much then get lost.

I'll be playing the collectors edition with my new squadmate and the rest of you can choke on your tears.

You sound upset. If this topic disgusts you so much then stay the f.ck away from it, idiot.

Modifié par Fix1o0, 23 février 2012 - 12:44 .

[Syrellaris]

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

[Cainne Chapel]

realguile wrote...

Underpower wrote...

I've been a Detroit lions fan for 20 years now...granted I dont buy everything lions branded or go or even watch EVERY game

Football analogy:

What I see happening is now you have to pay a little bit more to watch the kicking parts of the game. Punts, kickoffs, point afters, etc. You still get offense and defense, but now something that you'd expect to get anyway and could really have an impact on the game is available... for a little more money. It's not getting color commentary for the game for more money, it's part of the game itself, what in the past was included, has been integral to the entire game's past, is now not included... unless you pay more.

Ok. so what? If the NFL decides to do that then that's the NFL. it's their product and they controll it. Would i be bad for business? Hell yes, but guess what? I'd still watch it and so would MILLIONS of others cause we love NFL football.

And the prothian is not intergral as you can play the game without it.

I get your analogy but dont think it really fits the bill.  The prothean while COOL, is not ESSENTIAL to ME3's overall story.  So in a sense it would be like cutting out some of the announcer banter, which I can do without and be fine.  Or the cool little overlays on sportscenter.

I know the prothy is important to some but I think most are blowing its importance out of the water, and barring that, falling back on the back up argument of, well then its not needed.  So either way they have their bases covered to argue

[Sandoo]

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

Sandoo wrote...

 I was a fan of bioware previous games. Jedi Knight, baldur's gate, etc ... I knew that I couldn't go wrong in buying mass effect 1 since Bioware were behind it.
I'm sad to say that it's not the case anymore. I love Mass effect and it's one of my favorite game ever but I feel that I get ripped off badly now. I feel we're buying 90% of a game and if you want the uber cool new char that we all dreamt of having, pay more $_$.
And you say it's for the fans. We, the fans, are the one who paid for all the Mass effect games, for all the DLC ! and yet we're the one getting f*ck*d on this one.
Thanks for rewarding us for our support...
And I know, you care about what we say, blabla. But in the end, it's Bioware reputation that will go down and I already know I probably won't bother with your next games. If it wasn't Mass Effect 3, I would already ignore you.
An angry player that loved and played  jedi knights, baldur's gate, Neverwinter Nights. Mass effect 3 will be my last game from Bioware, or from EA.

I was mad with the dlc of ME2, but they came free with the cerberus network. So I guess it was okay.
But this is too much. Paying for a dlc on day one is just wrong.
You're lucky it's mass effect 3. It would have been any new game, it would never get any success.

Disappointed. And I know I'm not the only one feeling that way.

This content is in the Collector's Edition, how does it rip-off the die-hard fans if they're the ones that will buy probably 90% of  the CE edition?

I believe this DLC was a' love-letter' to loyal of the series who always wondered what Protheans really look like and the alternate customes are likely old iterations or references to the concepts of the characters in earlier Mass Effects (Ashley, Garrus, Collosous Armor, maybe?) and what they were alternately going to look like from one of the concepts fans have commented on from the art books. 


I admit some series have felt like 90% of the game is with you while 10% is not. After meeting two Gaming CEOs in-person and actually asking them about the process, one of which was the  CEO of Activision , I can safely say it's likely not crazy to believe Mike with the assertion that this DLC was in fact made well after the certification process of the main game.

Day 1 content provides room for skeptism, I definitely can attest feeling that way about certain games. However, considering that this day one content is also included in the CE for free and is content I believe is obviously directed towards ME vets (along with the fact that the content would have been far more expensive in older DLC models they used in the past), that it isn't ludricously evil in implemented as you're attempting to feel about it.

I can understand bioware point of view. It's just that I don't think it was the right way to do it.
I wouldn't have say a thing if the DLC was free if we bought any version of the game. (like it was for zaeed on mass effect 2)
But paying extra the day the game is release is just wrong. Then again, Bioware knew exaclty how we would react about it and they still did it. They know they will lose the "respect" of many and that many won't bother with them anymore.
They made the choice and i'll hope for them they won't regret it. But after ME3 (because i'm weak :/), I won't bother with any bioware game.
The fact that we must use Origin doesn't help either. Even more that for foreigners, we won't have english voices.

For example : I'm french and if I buy ME3 on Origin, I will only have the french voices. So I must either buy a digital version in UK or buy a physical version in france. 

[Confused-Shepard]

Shepard: Oh my god you guys! I found a Prothean!!!
Whole Galaxy: A Prothean? I thought they went extinct!
Prothy: Ay! I'm the last of me kind, mon!
Whole Galaxy: Well good for you! Now Shepard, what about those Reapers? I wonder if some secret Prothean tech can help us. If only they were still around to help us. Even one would do.
Prothy: >___>

Mass Effect 3 everyone!

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 23 février 2012 - 12:46 .

[Varen Spectre]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Very true the issue is that many people believe the argument can be solved on the forums alone, and while the forums certianly have their place, the entire situation that this issue stems from that people are so against would likely be significantly different if all those people took the time to voice their complaints to EA,, Bioware, and other publishers and developers through more traditional means. 

It's easy to ignore ranting on a forum, its much harder to ignore 500 emails, or 200 written letters.

Mmm, but (some} people are doing that as well. For example, I saw a thread on Reddit  with similar number of posts and the highest rated comment (almost 1000 upvotes) is a call to send emails at contact@bioware.com.

I would say, that people who are dissatisfied with the current DLC policy are trying to use all available options, including the official forum. 

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 23 février 2012 - 12:45 .

[Underpower]

<snip>Would i be bad for business? Hell yes, <snip>

Exactly. So I'm voting the only way I can to influence their business, with my wallet.

[Errationatus]

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary assclowns.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 23 février 2012 - 12:49 .

[Selor Kiith]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Very true the issue is that many people believe the argument can be solved on the forums alone, and while the forums certianly have their place, the entire situation that this issue stems from that people are so against would likely be significantly different if all those people took the time to voice their complaints to EA,, Bioware, and other publishers and developers through more traditional means. 

It's easy to ignore ranting on a forum, its much harder to ignore 500 emails, or 200 written letters. 

I can say nothing more than that I fully agree!

[Amikae]

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

So BioWare is implying, that those of us who didn't find this CE appealing and just bought the SE, are not proper fans of Mass Effect?

[Cainne Chapel]

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary ****holes.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

*golf clap*

a bit heavy handed but I do agree.

[OdanUrr]

@JakeMacDon: Your post addresses some of the arguments raised here, but certainly not all of them.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 23 février 2012 - 12:50 .

[Daywalker315]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Selor Kiith wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Agree with you 100% on that point you have absolutly no obligation to agree wth their business model, but this forum is a poor place to convey your disagreement. Because it is populated by trolls and ranters to the point where Bioware can hardly be expected to take anything said here seriously. If you truly disagree with their business practices and are not just complaining because you feel that if you complain enough they will give you what you want for free. Then I would urge you to send an email expressing your concerns and your complains to EA and Bioware, in a civil manner that makes it clear to them what it is you disagree with, that you will not be paying for their products while this continues and more importantly what you would like them to do to correct the issue.

Bioware and EA are not mindreaders, even if they decide that the outcry of their customers warrants action they have to decide what action to take, nothing they do will please everyone, but expressing your opinion on the issue to them in a way that is not garbled beneith layers of forum drivle, trolling, and "PRE ORDER CANCLED!!" posts is a far more meaningful approach to the issue.

Oh I am in the process to do so, haven't found the right words yet.
I am just here to make my opinion public and not just closed up behind a PR Spokespersons Desktop PC.
And in fact to test some arguments and analogies, if they are understandable and/or even fitting.

Besides I love a good rant now and then and some people here, on both sides, are especially funny.
It is always hard when two groups that call themselves the same and say they stand for the same thing fight each other on the basis of actually knowing nothing.

I mean sure, I obviously lean to one side and sometimes drift to deep into it but I have decided that neither extreme is any good and that we should talk it out and maybe get more people to actually make a serious attempt of displaying their displeasure with this decision in an appropriate manner and medium (as you said E-Mail), maybe even get some of those that are "Defenders" at the sole reason of "beeing a fan" to reconsider.

But this uncivilized rant does have its good side too.
Eliminating the threats and insults it shows to EA and Bioware how much the Forumbased Fans actually love the game and how they will notice when something in the behaviour has changed.

Very true the issue is that many people believe the argument can be solved on the forums alone, and while the forums certianly have their place, the entire situation that this issue stems from that people are so against would likely be significantly different if all those people took the time to voice their complaints to EA,, Bioware, and other publishers and developers through more traditional means. 

It's easy to ignore ranting on a forum, its much harder to ignore 500 emails, or 200 written letters. 

Actually it's pretty easy to ignore 500 emails. *delete* *delete* *delete* I'm not saying SOME these people don't have a point. However, the only leg anyone has to stand on is "why wasn't the Prothean more fleshed out and important to the story?" I think if they were going to do it, it should have been more integral IMO, but it's not. It obviously isn't life or death if it's being released as DLC.

Which brings me to another point (this is to the thread as a whole, not you specifically). The rage about having to pay $10 more for a "complete game". Just stop with this. ME3 even without this will be larger than ME2 AND have multiplayer. So, was ME2 incomplete now in hindsight because it didn't have that much content? Like I said, if it's non-essential DLC that's being offered to people who want to dive further into the lore, it's not vital to the main story. Therefore, your $60 will be the complete essential game experience.

Also, as a CE buyer who has been marketed to for nearly a year by saying the CE would contain bonus day 1 DLC squad mate and mission, I take offense to those who find out it's a Prothean and decide they should get for free what I paid extra to ensure that I got. Sure, there are some other trinkets in there but I could have saved myself $30 (standard with $10 credit). I bought the CE mostly due to this DLC and to make sure I got it, whether it was CE exclusive or however it turned out to be. Now, because it's not some Zaeed-type boring character, everybody wants it for free when I paid extra for it. That's not how it works when they've marketed it as a CE item for 9 months. Sorry guys. You lose that argument every time.

And to you two above, I think this doesn't necessarily show how much forum fans "love the game" as you say but rather how obsessive and compulsive they can be over things. I love ME3 and I've been posting a ton the last couple days trying to help people realize this isn't such a big deal. People are hyperventilating over optional $10 DLC being made available to them when it's given to CE buyers for free. That's perfectly acceptable. Even people who had the CE pre-ordered (or so they say) are cancelling "on principle". Give me a break. So basically it shows that a reasonable amount of forum-goers are just ranters and people who like to have their voices and opinions heard. They have to have a cause to scream about and this is the new one for the week. Welcome to internet forums, I guess. I'm trying to talk some sense into people but it feels like beating my head against a wall. I'll get flamed for this post as well even though there's more logic in this than in the entire argument for the other side (not an opinion, truth, you all are just too blinded by rage to see it).

[Jahannam]

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd. 

Hey rocket scientist...the 10$ Prothean isnt all the content you got with the CE.