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[Confused-Shepard]

Again, why a Prothean of all things? How is he NOT important to the story?
I will not be getting it seeing as how all characters will probably ignore him and that's just bizarre.

[Akaranz]

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

so everyone who didn't buy the collector's edition is not a true fan? some people just can't afford to spend that much on a video game or maybe some people don't even want the official soundtrack or whatever. I think that Bioware should make it like this: they should give people that have bought mass effect and mass effect 2 a discount, maybe give some option to enter the serial keys of those games or something, then it would be a little bit better, but it's very annoying, a Prothean should be part of the main game. You can put some batarian squadmate as a paid DLC but not a freaking Prothean!

[Dreskar]

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary assclowns.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

As I said for someone that bought the CE, I still think this idea is awful, and needs to be fixed, you jump on alot of points that were in fact not made, and also lumping everyone that thinks this is bad as people that didn't buy the CE, which as we proved in the thread about "To those who got the CE, What if the squad member was Zaeed 2.0" most of the people who got the CE are the ones most upset about this.

Also everyone has a right to an opinion this isn't a fascist government, what you seem to not understand is the difference between opinion and fact, or the difference between objectivism and subjectivism. You also use italics far too much, it doesn't help your point and your point is rather oddly structured to begin with. If you go by your own guidelines for having an opinion then you shouldn't post since we have other threads that already prove you wrong.

Also I already bought it, which is an option and has been for a long time, do I have it to play? No but I get to walk in grab my N7 CE and walk right back out with a friendly wave and a smile, well and showing my receipt.

Also your last statement would seem more appropriate to yourself.

Modifié par Dreskar, 23 février 2012 - 12:59 .

[Shadowrun1177]

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary assclowns.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

Great post someone else said maybe a bit heavy handed, but personally at this point maybe thats what's needed with some people on this forum.

[Exia001]

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

True Fans = People that can pay? How the **** does that make sense

[Daywalker315]

TheStoner wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

So BioWare is implying, that those of us who didn't find this CE appealing and just bought the SE, are not proper fans of Mass Effect?

No but we paid extra for the DLC character.. so suck it up... you are too.

Don't try to push your decisions onto other people.

Are standard editions true fans? In most cases, absolutely. I think they also knew that most of the most rabid fans who would want this DLC pre-ordered very early and got the CE. They knew they'd get a lot of new buyers who didn't play 1 or 2 due to the marketing and MP aspect, and so on. Should it have been a bigger storyline in the game itself if they were going to make a Prothean squad mate? Probably. But it's not, and it's non-essential to the main story, so they are well within their rights to offer it as a CE bonus and sell it to other people that want it. And you're well within your rights to either buy it or not buy it.

[Errationatus]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Bioware is not selling the pool for $10, they are selling a furnished kitchen for $10
That's how important Prothy is or should be. It's the lack of giving him importance that irks me 
Since that's the case, I won't be getting it and continue to think of the Protheans as anything but Kenyan's 

That's your opinion.  What he sounds like is irrelevant.  The fact is that people are squealing that they deserve a perk for which they don't want to pay.  Just because those who did want it paid for it is irrelevant.  They still think they deserve it.

Who says they do?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Dovahzaan wrote...

Anaeme wrote...

Money Talks folks

If you do follow through with a boycott of the game I GUARANTEE that many things will become free very very fast.

This is no kidding.

When DA2 started seeing red in sales Bioware threw in ME2 for FREE with each purchase of DA2 just to move sales


Do not underestimate your power to make things happen.

In fact if people hold out for just 1 week, you will see some crazy about turns from Bioware

That's the BSN, birth facility of Biodrones. Don't bother, bro. But prepare for "omg who cares, just buy the game" or "shut up"

I don't know why you need to use such insults. If people adore BioWare's work and are appreciative enough to buy all their products, that's their business and no one else's.

This, like most other things BioWare has been criticized over, is an overblown affair by gamers who think they're entitled to something. Last week it was good animations, this week it's a CE Prothean.

BioWare have graced the gaming community with title after title after magnificient title. It's no secret that they also need to keep their doors open, lest the developers have no job or food to eat.

The least us gamers can do is not **** when BioWare again goes out of their way to accomodate us by allowing us the opportunity to buy the Prothean DLC on release.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 23 février 2012 - 01:00 .

[Farbautisonn]

"True fans": "No true scotsman fallacy".

[Jahannam]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd. 

Hey rocket scientist...the 10$ Prothean isnt all the content you got with the CE.

I know, but y'all aint' whining about the rest of it, are you?  "Rocket scientist" - cute. Juvenile, but cute.

Check my posts dude. I dont really give a crap about 10$ I  simply think this is a shady way to sucker more out of people. And yeah if you want to act like we are getting the same content from a 10$ DLC that you are from a CE you are being a ******.

Modifié par Jahannam, 23 février 2012 - 01:03 .

[Draconis6666]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

This is funny, dunno if you havent played ME2 for long or at all but.
There is this huge DISCOVERY you make in the game which says something about collectors being protheans, there are TONS of discussion about protheans, there is even a mission where you find another beacon, so , what the hell are you talking about exactly ?

Tons of discussion? theres like 10 lines about it at most, the ones on the collector ship when you figure it out a few with mordin in one of his random conversations and at the end when your talking to EDI about the baby reaper.  The side mission where you find the beacon is for one just that a side missioin, and two again means very little to someone who has not played ME 1 and has no understanding of its importance or what it means.

[Cainne Chapel]

Baal Sagoth wrote...

Anaeme wrote...

Someone mentioned CDProjekt in this thread...the difference in the way both companies treat their customers is stunning really

Origin vs GOG

Ashes DLC vs Added content in X360 edition

When CDP released The Witcher 2 they did not force people to download it through GOG
When the enchanced edition of The Witcher 2 comes out, PC fans will get all the additional X360 content for free


How did Bioware fall so low? I do not recognize this company anymore. Who are these people?

Because it's the pattern that repeats itself all the time. CDProjekt RED is fairly new developer and even if they make good games they don't sell in multiple millions. And they don't heve real publisher like EA and Acti.

Almost always new studios represent everything we want: fair bussines model, customer care, proper communication with fan base. But every successful studio, who earns $$$ eventually changes to ultimate money making machine. When You make big blockbuster, sells millions of copies and can dump millions into marketing true life long fans aren't needed anymore 'cause You can put game to everybody hands and make $$$ still. I will quote myself:

"I wonder why unknown studio like 38 Studios, without strong (or any)
position on market could make and sell Kingdoms of Amalur without Day 1
DLC, mandatory Origin and so on, with the same evil publisher as EA? And
Bioware can't? Yeah, sure... Go figure yourself."

True Bhaal but as customer and "Fan" oriented as you can be, can STILL bite you in the ass.  I commend CDP for what they did, but apparently there are still aholes who will steal and pirate from a stand up company such as them.

Also, If I start a business, yes I want to help my loyal customers as much as I'm able, but as I get larger and larger, I have more than that base to think of, I have to think of ALL of my customers and the bigger I get the more revenue I need, its the nature of the beast.

Now some places purposefully keep their staff or goals small and thats good.  But When you are making a video game which is essentially like making a movie these days, you of course want to sell to the highest number of people... otherrwise WHY put the effort into it right? Your guys have to eat and you have to pay your workers and you cant do that on a shoestring budget and expect a huge game ya know?

Still I have no problem with DAY 1 DLC, Of course some people will find a problem with ANYTHING, hell people ranted and raved about Zaeed when ME2  came out... and he was FREE!

[Syrellaris]

Akaranz wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

so everyone who didn't buy the collector's edition is not a true fan? some people just can't afford to spend that much on a video game or maybe some people don't even want the official soundtrack or whatever. I think that Bioware should make it like this: they should give people that have bought mass effect and mass effect 2 a discount, maybe give some option to enter the serial keys of those games or something, then it would be a little bit better, but it's very annoying, a Prothean should be part of the main game. You can put some batarian squadmate as a paid DLC but not a freaking Prothean!

Sorry I don't see it that way. A true fan is one that wants as much of the Series as possible. Art books, sound track etc, because they enjoy it. So they buy the edition that has all these extra's. If you do not like the art book, the soundtrack and only want the ingame weapon and armor then be my guest, by the Normal edition.

But don't complain that those that do buy the collectors edition get rewarded for shelling out some extra cash, by giving them a free DLC.

Btw a Prothean is not required for the main story, its some extra lore content, thats about it.

[OdanUrr]

Draconis6666 wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...

This is funny, dunno if you havent played ME2 for long or at all but.
There is this huge DISCOVERY you make in the game which says something about collectors being protheans, there are TONS of discussion about protheans, there is even a mission where you find another beacon, so , what the hell are you talking about exactly ?

Tons of discussion? theres like 10 lines about it at most, the ones on the collector ship when you figure it out a few with mordin in one of his random conversations and at the end when your talking to EDI about the baby reaper.  The side mission where you find the beacon is for one just that a side missioin, and two again means very little to someone who has not played ME 1 and has no understanding of its importance or what it means.

Seconded. The Protheans were almost completely wiped out in ME2.

[Exia001]

Syrellaris wrote...

Akaranz wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

so everyone who didn't buy the collector's edition is not a true fan? some people just can't afford to spend that much on a video game or maybe some people don't even want the official soundtrack or whatever. I think that Bioware should make it like this: they should give people that have bought mass effect and mass effect 2 a discount, maybe give some option to enter the serial keys of those games or something, then it would be a little bit better, but it's very annoying, a Prothean should be part of the main game. You can put some batarian squadmate as a paid DLC but not a freaking Prothean!

Sorry I don't see it that way. A true fan is one that wants as much of the Series as possible. Art books, sound track etc, because they enjoy it. So they buy the edition that has all these extra's. If you do not like the art book, the soundtrack and only want the ingame weapon and armor then be my guest, by the Normal edition.

But don't complain that those that do buy the collectors edition get rewarded for shelling out some extra cash, by giving them a free DLC.

Btw a Prothean is not required for the main story, its some extra lore content, thats about it.

Your definition of 'True fan' is unsettling

[Farbautisonn]

OdanUrr wrote...

Seconded. The Protheans were almost completely wiped out in ME2.

-"The collectors are protheans". This line ring a bell? 

[neubourn]

Sad thing is...this thread is 126 pages, but its the same 3 arguments over...and over and over x126.

[Dreskar]

Exia001 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Akaranz wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

so everyone who didn't buy the collector's edition is not a true fan? some people just can't afford to spend that much on a video game or maybe some people don't even want the official soundtrack or whatever. I think that Bioware should make it like this: they should give people that have bought mass effect and mass effect 2 a discount, maybe give some option to enter the serial keys of those games or something, then it would be a little bit better, but it's very annoying, a Prothean should be part of the main game. You can put some batarian squadmate as a paid DLC but not a freaking Prothean!

Sorry I don't see it that way. A true fan is one that wants as much of the Series as possible. Art books, sound track etc, because they enjoy it. So they buy the edition that has all these extra's. If you do not like the art book, the soundtrack and only want the ingame weapon and armor then be my guest, by the Normal edition.

But don't complain that those that do buy the collectors edition get rewarded for shelling out some extra cash, by giving them a free DLC.

Btw a Prothean is not required for the main story, its some extra lore content, thats about it.

Your definition of 'True fan' is unsettling

Agreed with Exia 10 fold, I want the story to make sense... not more of a bad story, or akward one where a prothean is around and yet since he is not vital to the story is completely ignored... so weird.

[Blarty]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

Blarty wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Kevin Lozandier wrote...

This content is for long-faithful fans. It's in the Collector's Edition for free rather than be scrapped like some content before DLC was truly feasible. 

Please, let us stop with that particular disingenuous assertion.<_<

Here's a thought - you're a PS3 ME2 owner just what exactly do you care for the Protheans? You came to the Mass Effect franchise mainly through ME2 not ME1, what exactly do you care for the Protheans? If Protheans were completely intergral to the plot after ME1, why were they reduced to a couple of lines dialogue and a few add on artifacts in Liaras apartment (that came in a DLC no less!)? 

I get what you're saying about Protheans being important, but how important is a single survivor (for now) in the current ME3 age?

Some people care about the Prothean, some would prefer them, in their game, to stay dead or at least, not playable.... and others won't care either way
 

This is funny, dunno if you havent played ME2 for long or at all but.
There is this huge DISCOVERY you make in the game which says something about collectors being protheans, there are TONS of discussion about protheans, there is even a mission where you find another beacon, so , what the hell are you talking about exactly ?

My point is that Protheans are far, far more integral to ME1 lore... compared to that there's not much Prothean stuff going on in ME2, in ME2, bar the point about Collector's which although interesting is muted by the 'nothing but minldess slaves'-esque line, Protheans provide a sub-text nothing more.

[realguile]

Exia001 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

True Fans = People that can pay? How the **** does that make sense

Bioware is not a charaity scrub they need cash to pay bills and make profit. WTF?

[Draconis6666]

Exia001 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...


Sorry I don't see it that way. A true fan is one that wants as much of the Series as possible. Art books, sound track etc, because they enjoy it. So they buy the edition that has all these extra's. If you do not like the art book, the soundtrack and only want the ingame weapon and armor then be my guest, by the Normal edition.

But don't complain that those that do buy the collectors edition get rewarded for shelling out some extra cash, by giving them a free DLC.

Btw a Prothean is not required for the main story, its some extra lore content, thats about it.

Your definition of 'True fan' is unsettling

But just as valid as yours since "true fan" is a subjective title based on opinion

[Daywalker315]

Dreskar wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary assclowns.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

As I said for someone that bought the CE, I still think this idea is awful, and needs to be fixed, you jump on alot of points that were in fact not made, and also lumping everyone that thinks this is bad as people that didn't buy the CE, which as we proved in the thread about "To those who got the CE, What if the squad member was Zaeed 2.0" most of the people who got the CE are the ones most upset about this.

Also everyone has a right to an opinion this isn't a fascist government, what you seem to not understand is the difference between opinion and fact, or the difference between objectivism and subjectivism. You also use italics far too much, it doesn't help your point and your point is rather oddly structured to begin with. If you go by your own guidelines for having an opinion then you shouldn't post since we have other threads that already prove you wrong.

Also I already bought it, which is an option and has been for a long time, do I have it to play? No but I get to walk in grab my N7 CE and walk right back out with a friendly wave and a smile, well and showing my receipt.

Also your last statement would seem more appropriate to yourself.

I can promise you in the grand scheme of things (the world as a whole, not just this little isolated community forum), CE buyers are not the ones who are most upset about this. It's the people whining because they don't feel that $60 bought them a complete game. Like this one non-essential DLC character and ONE extra mission is equivalent to them selling the last 10 hours of the main story as DLC or something. The guy won't serve any more purpose than any other squad mate. He might have a few dozen lines about Prothean history, which anyone could log onto YouTube the day after launch and hear.

I bought a CE mostly due to getting a bonus character and mission. It sold me on it. I probably wouldn't have gotten the CE if it was just physical items and boring stuff. I wasn't sure at the time if it would be CE exclusive or not, so I wanted to make sure I had it. Everyone had that opportunity. I would feel slighted now if they took the main item I ended up paying $30 extra for (Amazon SE has $10 credit) was now suddenly offered to everyone for free. We paid more (many of us in large part due to DLC marketed as CE bonus) and SE versions should have to purchase it for a modest fee. It's as simple as that.

[Cainne Chapel]

Well I consider myself a Fan, but no more or less than anyone else. Of course my fan-aticism is a bit more extreme than most....

[dheer]

I don't really have a horse in this race but nobody here is entitled to anything and using it in a sentence does not invalidate the opinion of someone else. It's not a get out of argument free card.

Carry on.

[PaulSX]

FYI, Amazon right now offers DDE for 10 dollar credits. So right now you can get this dlc free

Modifié par suntzuxi, 23 février 2012 - 01:07 .