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[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Seconded. The Protheans were almost completely wiped out in ME2.

-"The collectors are protheans". This line ring a bell? 

Yes because its pretty much the only time the protheans are even mentioned in a conversation that is actualy required for you to have.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Amikae wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

So BioWare is implying, that those of us who didn't find this CE appealing and just bought the SE, are not proper fans of Mass Effect?

No but we paid extra for the DLC character.. so suck it up... you are too.

No, you paid extra for a Collectors Edition of the game. That implies, that the stuff you get has some kind of collectors value. Instead it's filled with Digital crap, that makes it completely pointless. It's not even a proper CE. It's why I didn't buy it. If I were you, I would have been even more mad, because the CE had digital crap in it, instead of something of real santimental value.

Guess what? The Prothean squadmate WAS part of the N7 edition. Which is what really caught my attention.. just the like Collector armour and weapon for ME2.

There's nothing wrong with in-game items coming with a Collectors edition... I didn't buy the CE blindly.. I fully knew what was included and was happy to pay for it.

Also, the Hard Case, Lithograph, N7 patch, Comic.. there are some "physical" items.

EIther way, I paid extra to have this DLC, now they do you a favor by allow you to purchase it aswell if you wish (and the total price is still lower then the CE price) and your complaining. I paid more, your paying more.. suck it up. DEAL WITH IT.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...
But just as valid as yours since "true fan" is a subjective title based on opinion

-True fan is a logical fallacy. The end.

[OdanUrr]

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Seconded. The Protheans were almost completely wiped out in ME2.

-"The collectors are protheans". This line ring a bell? 

Were once, not anymore. Repurposed. They are Protheans no more.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
But just as valid as yours since "true fan" is a subjective title based on opinion

-True fan is a logical fallacy. The end.

yeah that was my point

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yes because its pretty much the only time the protheans are even mentioned in a conversation that is actualy required for you to have.

-And yet you end up taking on the Collectors/protheans as the very end quest, and have a history plot that revolves round them, and how they got to where they are. And still they are unimportant. I find that logic rather... not... but ok. If that rocks your boat.

[Daywalker315]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary ****holes.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

Bioware is not selling the pool for $10, they are selling a furnished kitchen for $10
That's how important Prothy is or should be. It's the lack of giving him importance that irks me 
Since that's the case, I won't be getting it and continue to think of the Protheans as anything but Kenyan's 

SHOULD BE. SHOULD BE that important. I agree with you there. But he won't be. If it's DLC, he will be non-essential to completing the story and will just be like any other squad mate, albeit with a few dozen lines about Prothean history. For that, I think people should pay $10 for something I paid extra for after it was marketed as a CE bonus.

[Farbautisonn]

OdanUrr wrote...

Were once, not anymore. Repurposed. They are Protheans no more.

- And yet the story in ME2 revovles around them.  And still, they are "unimportant".  Gotcha.

[Errationatus]

Dreskar wrote...

As I said for someone that bought the CE, I still think this idea is awful, and needs to be fixed, you jump on alot of points that were in fact not made, and also lumping everyone that thinks this is bad as people that didn't buy the CE, which as we proved in the thread about "To those who got the CE, What if the squad member was Zaeed 2.0" most of the people who got the CE are the ones most upset about this.

 

I bought it.  I'm not upset by it.  You know why?  Because I have no idea just how intregal to the plot he actually is or should have been - and neither does anyone else not directly involved in the story's creation.

 
Also everyone has a right to an opinion  

 

No, you don't.  You have the right to an informed opinion, which most of us do not have at this point.  There is a functional difference between the two.

 

 
this isn't a fascist government, what you seem to not understand is the difference between opinion and fact, or the difference between objectivism and subjectivism. You also use italics far too much, it doesn't help your point and your point is rather oddly structured to begin with.
 

 

Italics are a standard writing convention meant for emphasis, and to stress certain things in a sentence.  Do you actually have a counter to what I said or are you simply trying to make an emotional appeal?  Because so far you've said pretty much nothing of consequence.  (See what I did there?)

 
If you go by your own guidelines for having an opinion then you shouldn't post since we have other threads that already prove you wrong.

 

I'm not talking about other threads.  I'm talking about this one.

 
Also I already bought it, which is an option and has been for a long time, do I have it to play? No but I get to walk in grab my N7 CE and walk right back out with a friendly wave and a smile, well and showing my receipt.

 

...and?

 
Also your last statement would seem more appropriate to yourself.

Ah - a personal shot.  Whatever.  I stand by what I said.

[ThePatriot101]

Hooyah!

Can't wait to see how a TRUE prothean fights!

[TheStoner]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

So... what exactly is this thread about?

As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:

Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd.  Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention.  If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" -  mucho extras.  You pay more, you get more.  Tis a simple fact of capitalism.

An analogy:  You and I buy a house from the same contractor.  My house cost 120 000 bucks.  Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym.  None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks.  Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.

Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did.  Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools.  See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive.  Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness.  What a bunch of scumbags.

Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it?  Seriously?  Is it the "principle" of the thing?  Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well?  Just to make everything "fair"?  

The fvck?

The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what?  Dishonest?  Deceptive?  Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?

Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers?  Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.

The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous.  I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary ****holes.  It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.

No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.  

You are not entitled to anything.  You mad?  Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work.  Keep your damn money.  Who gives a sh!t?  You don't have to buy it.  You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs.  Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money.  Once you know, then decide.  After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about. 

Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers.  They didn't have to - but they did.  You're still paying half for it that I'm paying.  It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game.  YOURS.  You, however, did not write any of the ME story.  Not a word.  You don't dictate how it goes.  You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process.  You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.

I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.

Bioware is not selling the pool for $10, they are selling a furnished kitchen for $10
That's how important Prothy is or should be. It's the lack of giving him importance that irks me 
Since that's the case, I won't be getting it and continue to think of the Protheans as anything but Kenyan's 

SHOULD BE. SHOULD BE that important. I agree with you there. But he won't be. If it's DLC, he will be non-essential to completing the story and will just be like any other squad mate, albeit with a few dozen lines about Prothean history. For that, I think people should pay $10 for something I paid extra for after it was marketed as a CE bonus.

It was never marketed as a CE exclusive and it was obvious it wasn't going to be since they did the exact same thing with DA2.

[Errationatus]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

Great post someone else said maybe a bit heavy handed, but personally at this point maybe thats what's needed with some people on this forum.

Thanks.  Folks weren't paying attention to anything else reasonable in this thread.  Sometimes it's needed.

[Jahannam]

DuckSoup wrote...

Are people really arguing over what makes a "true fan"?

Wow. I've seen everything on this forum now.

No, until you have seen monkies taking straightshotts and mainlining heroin you havent seen the apex of a forum.

[Blarty]

DuckSoup wrote...

Wow. I've seen everything on this forum now.

Oh I wouldn't go quite that far.... there's still time.....

[bazzybond]

Oh my god I hate this forum

[OdanUrr]

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Were once, not anymore. Repurposed. They are Protheans no more.

- And yet the story in ME2 revovles around them.  And still, they are "unimportant".  Gotcha.

Let me ask you this, if the Collectors weren't Protheans, the Protheans from ME1, would that fundamentally change the story of ME2?

[Underpower]

If the squadmate wasn't a Prothean, but was a (whatever species, including hanar/elcor) Prothean specialist, then I could buy the regular game, hate I was missing a squadmate and move on. But it's a Prothean. From the impact he's gonna have on Prothean lore, he probably shouldn't be a Prothean. But he is, so I'm not buying the game because it's not complete. 127, 128 pages. This isn't an insignificant issue to be dismissed by slinging 'entitled' around.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...


-And yet you end up taking on the Collectors/protheans as the very end quest, and have a history plot that revolves round them, and how they got to where they are. And still they are unimportant. I find that logic rather... not... but ok. If that rocks your boat.

Its unimportant in that without that line of dialogue that says "the collectors are protheans and the other 8 or 9 related to it" removing the connection between them would have changed nothing. That makes their importance questionalbe becaues it makes their need to even exist for the game by itself questionable. If you have played ME 1 you will realize that they are obviously very important.

People who began their ME experience with ME 2 will have no concept of how thats important and all and the fact that they collectors are protheans means nothing or very little to them. The protheans importance in ME 1 is profound and unquestionably key to the plot of the game. 

Their need to even exist in ME 2 outside of the overall lore of the universe and their role in allowing the events of th second game to take place is questionable, infinately more so for people who do not have the connection to them that they would get from playing ME 1

[kleindropper]

Can somebody please tell me if this is included with Digital Deluxe edition? I don't care about the cost, I just want a complete game and don't want to go hunting around for pieces!

[nitefyre410]

Blarty wrote...

DuckSoup wrote...

Wow. I've seen everything on this forum now.

Oh I wouldn't go quite that far.... there's still time.....

 

oh its not even March 6th   yet... there is still plenty of time...  

[Cainne Chapel]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yes because its pretty much the only time the protheans are even mentioned in a conversation that is actualy required for you to have.

-And yet you end up taking on the Collectors/protheans as the very end quest, and have a history plot that revolves round them, and how they got to where they are. And still they are unimportant. I find that logic rather... not... but ok. If that rocks your boat.

But even to that extent farb, the Collectors are no more than drones for the reapers will, not a seperate sentient species with their own distinct cultre anymore.  They're husks, shells, shadows.

They are no longer the regal protheans they once were, and nor will they ever be again.  So even if it wasn't ancient protheans repurposed, they'd just be some other race.  Really they could be interchangeable since their base species mattered little to the overall story.

[finc.loki]

f1r3storm wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Well, the fact that I don't believe Casey, for one.  Was there any chance at all of him saying anything other than what he said? 

I don't know, i'm not an insider. It's hard to proof, so how could he?

And I don't think I'm asking for it for free.  I'm paying $60 for what I thought was the full game, and now he thinks I should have to pay $70 if I want the full game.

But you're paying for the full game in the state it was when it was content complete. Since the DLC was developed afterwards, he isn't part of the full game then.

And additional development costs money, voice actors cost money.

Besides that, if you wanted the "full game", you would have had to pre-order the CE since they mentioned a bonus character and mission right from the beginning.

Pure LIES by Bioware. When money is involved I "just don't take the word of the person wanting more money from me", that would be silly.

No way in hell did they make the game content complete 6 months before the game release, this game didn't even have 2 full years in development. The CE edition was announced months and months ago, and they already at first announcement said it was "the prothean", they knew LONG before that they would include this character.
They just decided to monetize it, they did it especially cause of the value of the Protheans and the lore they have in the ME games.
Shepard was special cause he could get the message from the protheans in ME1, we hunted all things Prothean, lore over and over.
We fought modified protheans in ME2, the MAIN ENEMY!!!!

Also I heard one of the blatant lies from Bioware that they didn't work on this until AFTER certification of the game was done.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, Certification happens a few months, perhaps even as little as ONE MONTH before going GOLD.
So they worked on prothy starting january 2012, yet the CE edition was announced MONTHS before that.
Do you not see the lies they tell you?
How about the leaked scripts, the VO work?

Anything being made DURING normal game development, which is ANYTHING before the game releases is game content for the game.
Ask Bethesda why they didn't do DAY 1 DLC out of a ton of content for Skyrim. They worked on it up until release.

It's extortion of our want to have a complete game, the extortion of our need to have lore and wanting to talk and play with the MAIN RACE that fought the Reapers, the whole franchise started with us hunting Prothean tech and information, the WHOLE PLOT of ME1 was about them.
This is a money grab nothing else.

It's one thing to love Bioware games, but a whole other thing to willingly be used and then defend being defiled this way. That is just wrong.

DLC that is made AFTER and come out AFTER a game has been released is completely different.

I wouldn't feel so bad about Prothy if he came out 6 months later, then I can choose to replay ME3 with him in it.
But knowing all the CE edition buyers, and others that paid extra get a more complete game than me UNLESS I pay more, is absolutely atrocious.
Also saying that he is not NEEDED is an extremely bad cop out and horrible fallacy. You can say that about almost anything in life.
But that is not how it works. This was developed during the time BEFORE the game is out and it is DONE BEFORE the game is out.

When do they draw the line and say, this and no further, everything after this point in development we will charge extra for. Do you not see how DUMB that is?
Collectors editions should NEVER include exclusive game content, then they are just moving the goal post for what a FEATURE COMPLETE GAME REALLY IS.
Don't you guys understand that? A collectors edition has and up until this money grab been about exclusive PHYSICAL ITEMS.
Statues, key-chains, numbered COLLECTORS ITEMS. Now they include DAY 1 game content.
Then it's not "collectors" edition, but "ultra complete" editions.

Also had they made this CE exclusive, Bioware would face such a backlash it would be epic. They know it, this is why they also release it for normal editions, but you have to pay extra.
This is also because they can't offer it for free now that they MILKED money out of collectors edition buyers, then  they would go up in arms (rightly so).
They knew all of this and they wanted more money.

Effectively what we see here is EA's attempt of seeing how far they can push monetization of their games, NOTHING ELSE.
They have literally raised the prize of thier ME3 game to $70+ instead of $60.
Don't say it's optional cause it isn't for a fan, and also the WHOLE GAME IS OPTIONAL TO BEGIN WITH.

Now that they see all the Bioware sycophants that loved to be USED and PAY no matter what, they will now make it standard business practise.

Does anyone remember Activision, when they started to charge all PC versions the same as consoles? Even though PC doesn't pay royalties like MS and SONY demands?
Does anyone remember Activision raising the "map pack" prizes from $10 to $15 cause they knew people would pay it.
Today we all see this as standard and now used to it.

THIS IS EXACTLY what EA is doing with this Day 1 DLC.
Here is a pre-emptive " I told you so" when you will see this more and more in other EA games, then other publishers will follow.

It might be inevitable, but for crying out loud, DON'T DEFEND THIS PRACTISE, it's makes you out to be nothing but mindless sheep..

Modifié par finc.loki, 23 février 2012 - 01:21 .

[Errationatus]

Jahannam wrote...

Check my posts dude. I dont really give a crap about 10$ I  simply think this is a shady way to sucker more out of people. And yeah if you want to act like we are getting the same content from a 10$ DLC that you are from a CE you are being a ******.

What are you - 12?  Did you actually read what I wrote?  You are getting the Prothean, the mission, the weapons, the costumes.  That is the same DLC included with the CE.  You are getting it for less, because I'm paying for the rest of the perks that come with the CE because it's the CE.

Which part are you confused about again?

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 23 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[Blarty]

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Were once, not anymore. Repurposed. They are Protheans no more.

- And yet the story in ME2 revovles around them.  And still, they are "unimportant".  Gotcha.

The ME2 story revolves around Collectors NOT Protheans of the time before the Prothean extinction - it's like saying that a story revolves around someone from the Iron Age, because someone in the Industrial Age is descended from them, and the story happens to be about the use of Steam Engines.