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Jahannam wrote...
DuckSoup wrote...
Are people really arguing over what makes a "true fan"?
Wow. I've seen everything on this forum now.
No, until you have seen monkies taking straightshotts and mainlining heroin you havent seen the apex of a forum.
Michael Gamble wrote...That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.
-Yes. No "surprise" effect. No story twist. No "omg what" reactions. Just... "Oh. Other aliens. Thats nice. Where are the crumpets". No continuation in the lore of the protheans. No interweaving and continuing the story of the protheans.OdanUrr wrote...
Let me ask you this, if the Collectors weren't Protheans, the Protheans from ME1, would that fundamentally change the story of ME2?
Yuoaman wrote...
Michael Gamble wrote...
I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.
Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.
That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.
I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.
Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.
Mike
It's nice to have you guys finally respond, but I still don't understand why "From Ashes" couldn't be distributed like Zaeed was.
Underpower wrote...
If the squadmate wasn't a Prothean, but was a (whatever species, including hanar/elcor) Prothean specialist, then I could buy the regular game, hate I was missing a squadmate and move on. But it's a Prothean. From the impact he's gonna have on Prothean lore, he probably shouldn't be a Prothean. But he is, so I'm not buying the game because it's not complete. 127, 128 pages. This isn't an insignificant issue to be dismissed by slinging 'entitled' around.
JakeMacDon wrote...
Jahannam wrote...
Check my posts dude. I dont really give a crap about 10$ I simply think this is a shady way to sucker more out of people. And yeah if you want to act like we are getting the same content from a 10$ DLC that you are from a CE you are being a ******.
What are you - 12? Did you actually read what I wrote? You are getting the Prothean, the mission, the weapons, the costumes. That is the same DLC included with the CE. You are getting it for less, because I'm paying for the rest of the perks that come with the CE because it's the CE.
Which part are you confused about again?
Modifié par Jahannam, 23 février 2012 - 01:20 .
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Modifié par DuckSoup, 23 février 2012 - 01:21 .
foo man chew wrote...
Why are people so eager to buy content that was cut purposely from the game for cash.I mean i could understand if this wasnt made while the game was made and then cut to make a profit.Maybe next time they can have your squad mates day one dlc for ten dollars a piece.Hey because the game isnt about your companions its about shepard so they would be doing you a favor by allowing people to unlock them for a fee day one right,
xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*
Underpower wrote...
If the squadmate wasn't a Prothean, but was a (whatever species, including hanar/elcor) Prothean specialist, then I could buy the regular game, hate I was missing a squadmate and move on. But it's a Prothean. From the impact he's gonna have on Prothean lore, he probably shouldn't be a Prothean. But he is, so I'm not buying the game because it's not complete. 127, 128 pages. This isn't an insignificant issue to be dismissed by slinging 'entitled' around.
realguile wrote...
I'm here cause you scrubs entertain me. Almost as much Mass effect proper. Your tears are the sweet sugar I need in my tea. Keep em comin.Fix1o0 wrote...
realguile wrote...
And the crying from the vocal minority contiunes...
Pay the money and shut up, or better yet, get out of here. if bioware disgusts you so much then get lost.
I'll be playing the collectors edition with my new squadmate and the rest of you can choke on your tears.
You sound upset. If this topic disgusts you so much then stay the f.ck away from it, idiot.
I'd gladly pay $10 to post in this thread and witness the massive collective sobbing from the vocal minority.
TheStoner wrote...
Daywalker315 wrote...
Confused-Shepard wrote...
JakeMacDon wrote...
So... what exactly is this thread about?
As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:
Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd. Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention. If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" - mucho extras. You pay more, you get more. Tis a simple fact of capitalism.
An analogy: You and I buy a house from the same contractor. My house cost 120 000 bucks. Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym. None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks. Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.
Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did. Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools. See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive. Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness. What a bunch of scumbags.
Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it? Seriously? Is it the "principle" of the thing? Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well? Just to make everything "fair"?
The fvck?
The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what? Dishonest? Deceptive? Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?
Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers? Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.
The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous. I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary ****holes. It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.
No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.
You are not entitled to anything. You mad? Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work. Keep your damn money. Who gives a sh!t? You don't have to buy it. You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs. Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money. Once you know, then decide. After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about.
Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers. They didn't have to - but they did. You're still paying half for it that I'm paying. It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game. YOURS. You, however, did not write any of the ME story. Not a word. You don't dictate how it goes. You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process. You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.
I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.
Bioware is not selling the pool for $10, they are selling a furnished kitchen for $10
That's how important Prothy is or should be. It's the lack of giving him importance that irks me
Since that's the case, I won't be getting it and continue to think of the Protheans as anything but Kenyan's
SHOULD BE. SHOULD BE that important. I agree with you there. But he won't be. If it's DLC, he will be non-essential to completing the story and will just be like any other squad mate, albeit with a few dozen lines about Prothean history. For that, I think people should pay $10 for something I paid extra for after it was marketed as a CE bonus.
It was never marketed as a CE exclusive and it was obvious it wasn't going to be since they did the exact same thing with DA2.
The whole game is resolved around collectors ( protheans) kidnapping human collonies while working for Reapers and you are telling me that this is just 10 dialog and issgnificant part of the game?Draconis6666 wrote...
LivingHitokiri wrote...
This is funny, dunno if you havent played ME2 for long or at all but.
There is this huge DISCOVERY you make in the game which says something about collectors being protheans, there are TONS of discussion about protheans, there is even a mission where you find another beacon, so , what the hell are you talking about exactly ?
Tons of discussion? theres like 10 lines about it at most, the ones on the collector ship when you figure it out a few with mordin in one of his random conversations and at the end when your talking to EDI about the baby reaper. The side mission where you find the beacon is for one just that a side missioin, and two again means very little to someone who has not played ME 1 and has no understanding of its importance or what it means.
Modifié par LivingHitokiri, 23 février 2012 - 01:22 .
Underpower wrote...
If the squadmate wasn't a Prothean, but was a (whatever species, including hanar/elcor) Prothean specialist, then I could buy the regular game, hate I was missing a squadmate and move on. But it's a Prothean. From the impact he's gonna have on Prothean lore, he probably shouldn't be a Prothean. But he is, so I'm not buying the game because it's not complete. 127, 128 pages. This isn't an insignificant issue to be dismissed by slinging 'entitled' around.
Modifié par element eater, 23 février 2012 - 01:24 .
finc.loki wrote...
Pure LIES by Bioware.
No way in hell did they make the game content complete 6 months before the game release, this game didn't even have 2 full years in development. The CE edition was announced months and months ago, and they already at first announcement said it was "the prothean", they knew LONG before that they would include this character.
They just decided to monetize it, they did it especially cause of the value of the Protheans and the lore they have in the ME games.
Shepard was special cause he could get the message from the protheans in ME1, we hunted all things Prothean, lore over and over.
We fought modified protheans in ME2, the MAIN FN ENEMY!!!!
Also I heard one of the blatant lies from Bioware that they didn't work on this until AFTER certification of the game was done.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, Certification happens a few months, perhaps even as little as ONE MONTH before going GOLD.
So they worked on prothy starting january 2012, yet the CE edition was announced MONTHS before that.
Do you not see the lies they tell you?
How about the leaked scripts, the VO work?
Anything being made DURING normal game development, which is ANYTHING before the game releases is game content for the game.
Ask Bethesda why they didn't do DAY 1 DLC out of a ton of content for Skyrim. They worked on it up until release.
It's extortion of our want to have a complete game, the extortion of our need to have lore and wanting to talk and play with the MAIN FN RACE that fought the Reapers, the whole franchise started with us hunting Prothean tech and information, the WHOLE PLOT of ME1 was about them.
This is a money grab nothing else.
It's one thing to love Bioware games, but a whole other thing to willingly be used and then defend being defiled this way. That is just wrong.
DLC that is made AFTER and come out AFTER a game has been released is completely different.
I wouldn't feel so bad about Prothy if he came out 6 months later, then I can choose to replay ME3 with him in it.
But knowing all the CE edition buyers, and others that paid extra get a more complete game than me UNLESS I pay more, is absolutely atrocious.
Also saying that he is not NEEDED is an extremely bad cop out and horrible fallacy. You can say that about almost anything in life.
But that is not how it works. This was developed during the time BEFORE the game is out and it is DONE BEFORE the game is out.
When do they draw the line and say, this and no further, everything after this point in development we will charge extra for. Do you not see how DUMB that is?
Collectors editions should NEVER include exclusive game content, then they are just moving the goal post for what a FEATURE COMPLETE GAME REALLY IS.
Don't you guys understand that? A collectors edition has and up until this money grab been about exclusive PHYSICAL ITEMS.
Statues, key-chains, numbered COLLECTORS ITEMS. Now they include DAY 1 game content.
Then it's not "collectors" edition, but "ultra complete" editions.
Also had they made this CE exclusive, Bioware would face such a backlash it would be epic. They know it, this is why they also release it for normal editions, but you have to pay extra.
This is also because they can't offer it for free now that they MILKED money out of collectors edition buyers, then they would go up in arms (rightly so).
They knew all of this and they wanted more money.
Effectively what we see here is EA's attempt of seeing how far they can push monetization of their games, NOTHING ELSE.
They have literally raised the prize of thier ME3 game to $70+ instead of $60.
Don't say it's optional cause it isn't for a fan, and also the WHOLE GAME IS OPTIONAL TO BEGIN WITH.
Now that they see all the Bioware sycophants that loved to be USED and PAY no matter what, they will now make it standard business practise.
Does anyone remember Activision, when they started to charge all PC versions the same as consoles? Even though PC doesn't pay royalties like MS and SONY demands?
Does anyone remember Activision raising the "map pack" prizes from $10 to $15 cause they knew people would pay it.
Today we all see this as standard and now used to it.
THIS IS EXACTLY what EA is doing with this Day 1 DLC.
Here is a pre-emptive " I told you so" when you will see this more and more in other EA games, then other publishers will follow.
It might be inevitable, but for crying out loud, DON'T DEFEND THIS PRACTISE, it's makes you out to be nothing but mindless sheep..
Modifié par CrustyBot, 23 février 2012 - 01:24 .
-Does the lore of the ME setting begin at ME2? Yes or No.Draconis6666 wrote...
Its unimportant in that without that line of dialogue that says "the collectors are protheans and the other 8 or 9 related to it" removing the connection between them would have changed nothing. That makes their importance questionalbe becaues it makes their need to even exist for the game by itself questionable. If you have played ME 1 you will realize that they are obviously very important.
-Does the ingame codex and ingame reactions by Shepard point toward a significant if not crucial importance of the very existance of protheans? Yes or no?People who began their ME experience with ME 2 will have no concept of how thats important and all and the fact that they collectors are protheans means nothing or very little to them. The protheans importance in ME 1 is profound and unquestionably key to the plot of the game.
-Again. Are the protheans essential to the ME game setting? Yes or no. If you were making another game completely, with a completely different setting and different characters, youd be absolutely right. But this is the Bioware space version of Forgotten realms. Not the bioware version of "donkey kong".Their need to even exist in ME 2 outside of the overall lore of the universe and their role in allowing the events of th second game to take place is questionable, infinately more so for people who do not have the connection to them that they would get from playing ME 1
Farbautisonn wrote...
-Yes. No "surprise" effect. No story twist. No "omg what" reactions. Just... "Oh. Other aliens. Thats nice. Where are the crumpets". No continuation in the lore of the protheans. No interweaving and continuing the story of the protheans.OdanUrr wrote...
Let me ask you this, if the Collectors weren't Protheans, the Protheans from ME1, would that fundamentally change the story of ME2?
Casting the repurposed protheans as collectors is a significant, essential story twist.
Or perhaps you disagree?
Farbautisonn wrote...
-Yes. No "surprise" effect. No story twist. No "omg what" reactions. Just... "Oh. Other aliens. Thats nice. Where are the crumpets". No continuation in the lore of the protheans. No interweaving and continuing the story of the protheans.OdanUrr wrote...
Let me ask you this, if the Collectors weren't Protheans, the Protheans from ME1, would that fundamentally change the story of ME2?
Casting the repurposed protheans as collectors is a significant, essential story twist.
Or perhaps you disagree?
Daywalker315 wrote...
TheStoner wrote...
Daywalker315 wrote...
Confused-Shepard wrote...
JakeMacDon wrote...
So... what exactly is this thread about?
As near as I can tell, the main b!tch seems to follow these lines:
Those not shelling out extra for the Collector's Edition are feeling butthurt they have to pay more for CE content? When they are actually paying less? How odd. Those of us buying the CE paid more for this CE content, announced long ago and no surprise to anyone who pays attention. If we'd wanted none of that content we'd have paid less for the standard edition. Hence the difference between "standard" as in "no extras", and the "Collector's Edition", as in "limited/deluxe/exclusive edition" - mucho extras. You pay more, you get more. Tis a simple fact of capitalism.
An analogy: You and I buy a house from the same contractor. My house cost 120 000 bucks. Yours cost 75 000. Mine has a pool and a jacuzzi and a home gym. None of those are essential for my house to be called a home. They're perks. Extras. I paid 120 000 bucks for them deliberately.
Suddenly, you decide that you want the pool and jacuzzi and home gym - and you want it for free, because you bought a house from the same contractor that I did. Now, because other houses on the street have pools, you argue that it's essential for all houses to have pools. See, Frank down the block got his pool because the contractor that built his house threw the pool in as a complimentary "thanks for buying" incentive. Therefore the contractors who don't are thieving pr!cks with the temerity to call a pool "a luxury" and not necessarily essential to your happiness. What a bunch of scumbags.
Now why do you think you should not only get what I paid a hundred gees for - for free, but that you are also entitled to it? Seriously? Is it the "principle" of the thing? Because my Ferrari gets hand-painted and 80 klicks to the gallon you think your sh!tty 23 Kpg Toyota should as well? Just to make everything "fair"?
The fvck?
The rest seems to be some shrill bleat about Day One DLC being... what? Dishonest? Deceptive? Bad business? Suddenly half of BSN consists of corporate lawyers who know ethical business practice from thievery because they masturbate to Steam or some such nonsense? WTF?
Bioware did this deliberately to take a big sh!t on all the "loyal" customers? Hardly lawyers, half of BSN is a pack of snarling dogs who never think they're fed adequately, even though they tend to get fed better than most of the other packs out there.
The misplaced sense of entitlement that stinks this forum up is ridiculous. I had thought that maybe I was going to get shafted on ME3 (I still might, as my chief concern was storywise), but as it turns out I think the main reasons for my misgivings were the same reasons (amongst others) I started to dislike Tali - a great many of the fans are fvck'n brainless reactionary ****holes. It wasn't Tali's fault - it wasn't even *gasp* Bioware's fault.
No matter what Bioware does, you get the same Westboro Baptist version of "fan" that start the same bleat/bullsh!t about BW/EA trying to evilmoneyhump everyone.
You are not entitled to anything. You mad? Don't buy anything Bioware. That's the only way your crusades will work. Keep your damn money. Who gives a sh!t? You don't have to buy it. You can wait until the end of March and then watch the inevitable YouTube walkthroughs. Judge it when you have actual facts as to what is actually in the game and you don't have to take the gamble with your money. Once you know, then decide. After that, if you decide you do want it, well, hell, there will apparently be a few hundred thousand cancelled preorders floating about.
Bioware didn't have to offer CE content to non-CE buyers. They didn't have to - but they did. You're still paying half for it that I'm paying. It is your assertion that Protheans are vitally important to the game. YOURS. You, however, did not write any of the ME story. Not a word. You don't dictate how it goes. You either buy it or don't - that's your only real contribution to the process. You don't have the right to complain until after you've bought it, and you don't have the right to an opinion until you have actual facts.
I'd say "grow up", but this is BSN.
Bioware is not selling the pool for $10, they are selling a furnished kitchen for $10
That's how important Prothy is or should be. It's the lack of giving him importance that irks me
Since that's the case, I won't be getting it and continue to think of the Protheans as anything but Kenyan's
SHOULD BE. SHOULD BE that important. I agree with you there. But he won't be. If it's DLC, he will be non-essential to completing the story and will just be like any other squad mate, albeit with a few dozen lines about Prothean history. For that, I think people should pay $10 for something I paid extra for after it was marketed as a CE bonus.
It was never marketed as a CE exclusive and it was obvious it wasn't going to be since they did the exact same thing with DA2.
No, it never said "exclusive" but it was marketed as bonus on the CE and was NEVER marketed as a bonus for SE copies. Therefore, any intelligent person would assume that either the CE got it exclusively or the SE would have to pay for it if they wanted it.
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