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[Daywalker315]

Sandoo wrote...

@JakeMacDon : that has to be among the stupidest argument for a video game. (the one about the house...)

So if I follow your house argument, you find it normal if you buy a game that only focus on the main story.
I mean side-quest, side-characters, ... are optional and it should be normal to you to pay extra for those. On the normandy, you don't need all those rooms. We only need the map and why not a room to put all your companions. Nothing more.

We don't even need a nice interface. A black screen with the options should be enough.


I don't think ppl complains about the price of the DLC. What is making us "mad" is how they sell it on day one. How they say it's to reward fans. If they wanted to reward us, it would be free. They are simply taking advantage of our "loyalty" towards the mass effect franchise.
What makes us "mad" is that it could become the way of doing of every game.
You buy de the game but if you pay extra you'll get that very important thing.

They are all about making money (and I don't blame them) but , imo, they are going to far. They are loosing clients and potential buyers over something so little. Hope it'll be worth it for them.

The fact remains that many CE buyers shelled out more money mostly for this DLC. SE buyers shouldn't get it for free. Simple as that. Should it have been this way? Maybe not. But it is and was always marketed as a bonus for CE and was NEVER mentioned as a bonus for SE, so it was logical to always assume it would be CE exclusive or SE would have to pay for it.

[Ap0c_NL]

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

[realguile]

Fix1o0 wrote...

realguile wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

realguile wrote...

 And the crying from the vocal minority contiunes...

Pay the money and shut up, or better yet, get out of here. if bioware disgusts you so much then get lost.

I'll be playing the collectors edition with my new squadmate and the rest of you can choke on your tears.

You sound upset. If this topic disgusts you so much then stay the f.ck away from it, idiot.

I'm here cause you scrubs entertain me. Almost as much Mass effect proper. Your tears are the sweet sugar I need in my tea. Keep em comin.

I'd gladly pay $10 to post in this thread and witness the massive collective sobbing from the vocal minority.

You would also pay $10 for Bioware to put their magic stick in your rear end. Calling people scrubs yet you are a tool of this very milking business model.

Milk does a body good. 

[Syrellaris]

Exia001 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Akaranz wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I 100% agree with bioware. True fans bought the collectors edition and they get rewarded with a free DLC. Those that don't bought the normal version either from the start or later on and therefor this should be a DLC that you can buy.

Good Choice from bioware

so everyone who didn't buy the collector's edition is not a true fan? some people just can't afford to spend that much on a video game or maybe some people don't even want the official soundtrack or whatever. I think that Bioware should make it like this: they should give people that have bought mass effect and mass effect 2 a discount, maybe give some option to enter the serial keys of those games or something, then it would be a little bit better, but it's very annoying, a Prothean should be part of the main game. You can put some batarian squadmate as a paid DLC but not a freaking Prothean!

Sorry I don't see it that way. A true fan is one that wants as much of the Series as possible. Art books, sound track etc, because they enjoy it. So they buy the edition that has all these extra's. If you do not like the art book, the soundtrack and only want the ingame weapon and armor then be my guest, by the Normal edition.

But don't complain that those that do buy the collectors edition get rewarded for shelling out some extra cash, by giving them a free DLC.

Btw a Prothean is not required for the main story, its some extra lore content, thats about it.

Your definition of 'True fan' is unsettling

So you consider someone that only buys say a CD from a music band a true fan? I have to say I find that unsettling to be honest. A true fan in this case goes to the concerts (or tries to at least), buys the CD's, the LP's the DvDs and so on.

They buy it because they love that particular bands music. They buy it because they enjoy to have and see as much as possible of it. The same counts for games.

[finc.loki]

Blarty wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Were once, not anymore. Repurposed. They are Protheans no more.

- And yet the story in ME2 revovles around them.  And still, they are "unimportant".  Gotcha.

The ME2 story revolves around Collectors NOT Protheans of the time before the Prothean extinction - it's like saying that a story revolves around someone from the Iron Age, because someone in the Industrial Age is descended from them, and the story happens to be about the use of Steam Engines. 

You do know that the collectors, are nothing but Gene modified PROTHEANS, didn't you play ME 2? How did that escape you?

So here we have it ME1 was all about Protheans, their becons, their tech and the Reapers.
In  ME2 we literally fought modified versions of Protheans.
Yet in ME3 they are not important, but just "fluff" DLC that is completely optional.

See that might be the case for someone that has NEVER played ME games before and just bought ME3, for everyone else, it means EVERYTHING.
I know I would play and incomplete version of the game if I don't buy this DLC, PERIOD.
That I can complete the game without this DLC, sure, I can also just hit god mode and win anything in cheats too.
I can disregard all side missions and never use Garrus etc as well.

It's a complete fallacy.

Shale was free for all new games, so was Zaeed, So was Sebastian etc.
Now we are being charged for it.
They have moved the "goal post" and now we will be charged more.

[Errationatus]

Sandoo wrote...

@JakeMacDon : that has to be among the stupidest argument for a video game. (the one about the house...)

So if I follow your house argument, you find it normal if you buy a game that only focus on the main story.
I mean side-quest, side-characters, ... are optional and it should be normal to you to pay extra for those. On the normandy, you don't need all those rooms. We only need the map and why not a room to put all your companions. Nothing more.

We don't even need a nice interface. A black screen with the options should be enough.

 

You obviously missed the point of my analogy.

 
I don't think ppl complains about the price of the DLC. What is making us "mad" is how they sell it on day one. How they say it's to reward fans. If they wanted to reward us, it would be free. They are simply taking advantage of our "loyalty" towards the mass effect franchise.
What makes us "mad" is that it could become the way of doing of every game.
You buy de the game but if you pay extra you'll get that very important thing.

 

And I say that it was a CE perk.  Initially, SE folks weren't going to get it at all, at some point in the process.  That Bioware thought that you'd like a chunk of extra gameplay for 10 bucks was their decision.  But you don't deserve it, and you sure as hell don't deserve it for free.

 
They are all about making money (and I don't blame them) but , imo, they are going to far.

 

Define "to (sic) far".

 
They are loosing clients and potential buyers over something so little. Hope it'll be worth it for them.

You actually think raging in the forum is going to matter to anyone at EA?  The only way it hurts their profits is if the majority of buyers for this product do not buy it.

That is not going to happen.  This outrage over what you think you deserve is meaningless.  Don't buy it.  Save your money.  You win.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

If you're going to accuse BioWare of being liars and scammers, when they're not, because you feel entitled to content that BioWare worked long and hard over, then fine. "Cancel your pre-order".

[Ap0c_NL]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

you want to crawl up their asses now?

Are you totally blind and ignorant?

They take out an important part of the story and sell it to you seperately! you think that is normal because CE users get is as  "BONUS " ??? that is the whole thing!! that's a SCAM!

[Farbautisonn]

OdanUrr wrote...

I'm afraid I do. There was no "surprise" effect for me, no "omg what" reaction, just a "seriously?" There was no need for the story to turn the Collectors into Protheans to make sense. After all, we learned in ME1 that Sovereign likely had other tools at its disposal. Saren and his geth, the Keepers, the Protheans who turned on their fellows, husks, etc. The Collectors could've simply been another race repurposed to suit the Reapers' needs and that would've been interesting too. Bringing back the Protheans in this fashion was unnecessary.

-Aha. So yet another generic alien race with chitcnious shells would have been the pinnacle of storytelling then. Right.

Casting the protheans in that role made sense, gave the story a twist, and elaborated on the fate of the protheans. Presto. Kinder egg.

Instead youd expect people to bond and empathze with a newly introduced race that got idoctrinated. Really?  Thats your idea of great storytelling? Thats your idea of getting the audience involved and feeling a bond? 

Tell me something. Have you ever played Pen and pager RPG's? Or read fantasy, or just fiction in general? 

[Ap0c_NL]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

you want to crawl up their asses now?

Are you totally blind and ignorant?

They take out an important part of the story and sell it to you seperately! you think that is normal because CE users get is as  "BONUS " ??? that is the whole thing!! that's a SCAM!

you sir are not very wise to say the least.
I will laugh thats all..

They worked hard yes on the game. Then EA comes in and say, hey let's fool all your costumers by getting this important piece out of the game and sell it seperately telling it is bonus for CE buyers.

Yeah definitely i will concider cancelation.

[finc.loki]

Blarty wrote...

Underpower wrote...

If the squadmate wasn't a Prothean, but was a (whatever species, including hanar/elcor) Prothean specialist, then I could buy the regular game, hate I was missing a squadmate and move on. But it's a Prothean. From the impact he's gonna have on Prothean lore, he probably shouldn't be a Prothean. But he is, so I'm not buying the game because it's not complete. 127, 128 pages. This isn't an insignificant issue to be dismissed by slinging 'entitled' around.

Don't buy the DLC then and get the lore from the mass effect wikis after a couple of days, and not feel like you have been cheated - you have not lost anything

By that argument, why buy the game at all, just read the forum spoilers and go on You Tube and watch a 'walkthrough' video.
Stupid arguement, is stupid.
Just like all arguments trying to defend this money grab.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I'm still buying the N7 Collector's Editions for both the Xbox 360 and PS3.

[Errationatus]

Jahannam wrote...

Get off the god damn age thing dude Im 38.
 

 

Zippee-do-dah.  I'm 45.  Act your damn age, "dude".

 
Yeah Im getting certain things... Im not getting the full CE package for 10$ get it...comprende?

 

Si, comprendes, pendejo.  You are not getting the full CE package for ten bucks.  You are getting one extra in the CE for ten bucks.  I'm paying more for the whole thing.  This thread is about the Prothean, mission, etc.  Not the extras other than that. Since you are not, you are getting it for less, because I don't have the option to buy it seperately - as it is already included.

 
I am not getting it for less because you are getting more with the CE are you that dense?

I'm not getting more content.  I'm getting little extras that I can put on a shelf.  Which would you rather have - content or frivilous extras?  I just happen to want both.  So sue me.

[Monochrome Wench]

Since June of last year it was intended to be Exclusive content for CE and DD owners. Whether or not it was a Prothean is possibly one of the worst kept secrets about the game, with multiplayer being a very poorly kept secret too. I recall that there were some problems over this last year with lots of people preordering CE/DD because they didn't want to miss out on the content. That SE owners have the opportunity to pay for some of the CE content shouldn't be an issue. I'd say CE/DD owners who are ONLY buying CE/DD for the extra character and mission should be the ones pissed. They could have bought SE + DLC for less.

The imagined issue here seems to be that because its a prothean it MUST be vital to the game. If it were vital it would have been in the game to begin with and not cut out.

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

[Descedent]

This.




 

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 01:35 .

[Syrellaris]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

Right ofcourse -.-

1) No it can not be sued. Goodluck with trying that
2) you get the full experience even without the DLC
3) Controller support is of no importance on the pc. heck it should have been left out from the start.

[Draconis6666]

[quote]Farbautisonn wrote...


-Does the lore of the ME setting begin at ME2? Yes or No. [/quote]

For some people yes it does, they have no lore from ME 1 aside from what is told to them in ME 2.

[quote]
-Does the ingame codex and ingame reactions by Shepard point toward a significant if not crucial importance of the very existance of protheans? Yes or no?[/quote]

The codex questionably so, in that it recaps parts of ME 1's plot while undermining much of the tone and importance of the elements that make what it recaps actualy meaningful. The in game reactions not at all because they are for the most part poorly done and dont express the importance anyway more like a "oooh really thats kind of interesting" level of importance. There is no giant shock and awe that is explored in depth to find out how it happened or even an option to comment on it significantly 

[quote]-Again. Are the protheans essential to the ME game setting? Yes or no.  If you were making another game completely, with a completely different setting and different characters, youd be absolutely right. But this is the Bioware space version of Forgotten realms. Not the bioware version of "donkey kong". [/quote]

No they arent, the only race that is absolutly essential are the Reapers, the protheans could have been cut up and turned into multiple races and the setting would still make sense and remain mostly unchanged. The collectors did not need to be protheans and them not being so would have changed very little about the setting. Lllikewise they could be completely removed and omitted with only mild alteration to the setting  thus far with the only serious rewriting being the beacons and the conduit (arguably the conduit is one of the largest plot holes in the first game to begin with and its exclusion and subsequent rewriting could be a good thing)

They are not directly essential to the game you are playing or the current setting. The setting would be fundamentaly the same as long as the races that are living and not extinct existed even if you completely removed the protheans and  turned them into completely different races in every instance where they are mentioned. They are a sub importance and not something that you should prtend is the core of the entire franchise because that is the Reapers.

The Reapers and Humans are the only thing that could not be changed without seriousy altering the overal plot of the series. 


[/quote]

Modifié par Draconis6666, 23 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[Ap0c_NL]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

ofcourse they are, the whole story build around proteans.

[RemovableSanity]

I wonder if there will be a future dlc to allow all characters that arn't dead from all the previous games to be playable squadmembers. I already getting legion withdrawls...

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

[Jahannam]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Get off the god damn age thing dude Im 38.
 

 

Zippee-do-dah.  I'm 45.  Act your damn age, "dude".

 
Yeah Im getting certain things... Im not getting the full CE package for 10$ get it...comprende?

 

Si, comprendes, pendejo.  You are not getting the full CE package for ten bucks.  You are getting one extra in the CE for ten bucks.  I'm paying more for the whole thing.  This thread is about the Prothean, mission, etc.  Not the extras other than that. Since you are not, you are getting it for less, because I don't have the option to buy it seperately - as it is already included.

 
I am not getting it for less because you are getting more with the CE are you that dense?

I'm not getting more content.  I'm getting little extras that I can put on a shelf.  Which would you rather have - content or frivilous extras?  I just happen to want both.  So sue me.

What did I do that isnt acting my age? I said Im not angry im dissapointed in the direction bioware went with this. I for 10$ am not getting a full CE and thats fine.

Running around in a forum and acting like anyone you respond to as a 12 year old...yeah your a ..Im am going there. Moron is what you are. Now shut up you trolish idiot.

Modifié par Jahannam, 23 février 2012 - 01:41 .

[Ap0c_NL]

Syrellaris wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

Right ofcourse -.-

1) No it can not be sued. Goodluck with trying that
2) you get the full experience even without the DLC
3) Controller support is of no importance on the pc. heck it should have been left out from the start.

and you decide that all by yourself? ignorant....best description.
I will not sue i will let that to one of those americans.
All i can do is just ignore this wolves strategy or cancelation.

[Goth Skunk]

This thread needs to be shut down, and all idiots ****ing about day 1 DLC suspended.

[nitefyre410]

sooo playable useable characters are not part of core gameplay experience, especially when they are playable and usable upon release of the game.. and completed before the game comes out..

Yeah aight.

This is different from say  release something like  expansion  after game release...but okay...

Modifié par nitefyre410, 23 février 2012 - 01:43 .