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[Sandbox47]

This is obviously a quality game and I'm buying it even if it kills me but the leap of logic - to sell a DLC on the same day that the game comes out ... I don't get it. Surely a DLC is a part of the game? So surely it should be in the game? DLC used to be complimentary to games, didn't it? Now it's parallell to them, even if it may be as important as Arrival.

[Texaboose]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

janeway11 wrote...

Texaboose wrote...

Wow - I've read most of the complaint/boycott threads, skimmed through most of this thread, read Mike's original post carefully, and conclusion: there's a lot of whiners out there.

From what I gathered, Prothy was going to be something extra for the fans who got in early and pre-ordered the CE.
CE then proceeded to sell out fairly rapidly.
Bioware, to make it up to those who missed out, offers Prothy, something originally reserved for CE, to be available on release day for $10 (so those who didn't order the CE SAVE $10).

Result. People **** and moan.

^
THIS!

DLC SHOULD NOT BE MADE FOR PURCHASE IF IT WAS MADE DURING THE GAMES DEVELOPMENT CYCLE ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DLC IS A MAJOR POINT IN THE GAME. II REALIZED CAPS MADE PEOPLE NOTICE STUFF MORE!

Actually, all caps makes my head hurt.

Anyway, I know Protheans feature a lot in the lore and background in the ME universe, but missed the leak/post/whatever or this particular squad mate being a major point of the game. Heck, I thought the major point of the game/story was that of Shepard and the Reapers, not some zombiefied Prothean. The only ground breaking revelation will probably be how he survived that long on only 5 cans of beans.

The Prothean will flesh out some extra things and backgrounds, like the comic books did, but I don't see you whine that the comics weren't free everywhere (TPB excluded). That's why it's a Collectors Edition EXTRA, not an INTEGRAL part of the story that MUST be released to everyone.

[El Ejcovero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
 As I already explained to someone else, none of that dialogue was used in game or the DLC, so it was clearly far from finished or was going to be a line Liara said in the game itself. If the DLC is finished before the game is released, then include it in the game. If it isn't, then sell it as DLC.

So whats your argument about Kasumi's dialogue for the suicide mission that was on the disc that is the exact dialogue she uses if you have the DLC ?

I didn't waste my money buying that DLC.

[blacqout]

RiouHotaru wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...
which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  

Yeah, it's just a shame that once again CE pre-orders are getting cancelled.

Well, it means more folks can get the CE and get the character!  Silver lining!

It's not much of a silver lining for me. I pre-ordered the special edition as soon as it was announced last year, but because of the ridiculously limited supply there is real doubt over whether i'll get it.

[Bocks]

ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT A PROTHEAN ISN'T IMPORTANT IN MASS EFFECT 3.

ARE YOU SERIOUS.

[DJBare]

felipejiraya wrote...

Don' like don't buy it, it's simple.

You know statements like this really don't help Bioware right?, you are obviously a supporter so I'd suggest ways to encourage people to purchase.

[Oswald The Garden Gnome]

This is something entirely different.

how is this different from Sebastian?

[Dionkey]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
The Prothean is going to explain any questions we had about the Protheans, knowledge of the Reapers, and so on.

If you've read the script leaks, you KNOW this part isn't true.  And for someone who hasn't even seen the finished game you seem awfully sure of yourself.

Are you serious? It was pretty clear that the Prothean will provide a huge amount of unique insight on his race and will definitely be involved in a number of the games missions. If anything, I'd say he's the Legion of ME3.

[LucretoDrakor]

neubourn wrote...

LucretoDrakor wrote...

I wouldn't care about this kind of thing if it was some random character that they thought up... but its a Prothean.. something that we've been surely wanting to see since mass effect 1. How can that not be part of the main story at all it makes no sense at all to keep that from all fans of the game I'm sure most will go for the collectors edition or whatever digital equivalent I would myself but when I think about mass effect 2 Ziede was included as part of the free dlc everyone got but now their keeping dlc from standard users now.

As was pointed out many times before, they could very well treat it like Liara in ME2: a character included in the game, but doesnt become your squad member or do a mission until the DLC.

Or they can treat it just like Zaeed: day one DLC character/mission that are not critical to the over all story. 

Really...? LIKE LIARA? I didn't give one care about Liara or Zaeed... A -PROTHEAN-  a long dead race of aliens that fought the reapers... how can they treat a character like that like a simple dlc side character that would be far more related to the fight against the reapers and the story of this game.

[realguile]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

 

You know what this means, right?  He was likely originally a CE exclusive

\\and i'm not sure why people can't grasp that they are actually getting a deal with the dlc. Costumes, character, mission all origionaly for CE being made available to them for ten bucks. I mean god damn it's $10! lol bum it off a buddy or something.

[Basekid]

Haha what a joke.

So I pay full price for a game, and already I am being left out on content from day 1? Super lame.

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

shaneofthedead wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

As most of you know, yesterday there was a leak that revealed the upcoming DLC “ME3:From Ashes” on the
Xbox LIVE Marketplace. This leak took place before we were prepared to make an announcement about the details of that pack (slated for this Friday). 

There has been a lot of discussion about the DLC offering but we wanted to clarify a few things... 

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate
appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

- The Collectors Edition has been advertised from the beginning as containing a bonus character/mission, but we were not at liberty to provide the details. The Prothean is optional content that is certainly designed to appeal to long-time fans, which is why he is part of the CE offering (the version many fans would be likely to purchase).  Mass Effect 3 is a complete – and a huge game - right out of the box.

 

Wait, so if we ordered the CE we're getting everything included in "From Dust" or the chracter and mission are the 
but it comes with its own set of Alternate Outifs and new weapon apart from the CE. If thats the case then thats effed up to offer the same character and mission that comes with the CE but new stuff that doesn't. Don't do it half way! Do either the stuff that comes with the CE or entirely new stuff. Don't mix it up!
Could somone please clarify

Can someone answer this question? Dlc in general should be made after the game is shipped. But eh whatever..Mass Effect, Dead Space and Battlefield 3 are the only reasons why I am gonna buy anything from EA. but even with those its pretty bleak..

[SlappyHam]

Will the DLC be paid for in the bioware store with the bioware points?

[Daywalker315]

Aargh12 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...
A lot of game experience? A couple guns you wouldn't otherwise get in MP is missing a lot of game experience?
I can't even make a rational case to say you have valid points on that. Come on ...

Well, yes. Especially if whole system was designed so the DLC weapons were OP or were more than just simple assault rifle, etc type of weapon.
And player's will miss the experience (ME is a shooter after all) when DLCs will contain 50% of all weapons made for MP.
Weapons in games like these are one of the most important aspects of gameplay.

You're misinformed and exaggerating. Since there are 30+, maybe far more, weapons in the game, and the only EXCLUSIVE MP weapon that I've read about is the Collector assault rifle, it's nowhere near 50% of the weapons being from DLC. The action figures and other DLC avenues are just going to give in-game packs similar to the ones you can buy with credits. You'll live. Trust me. And the Collector AR won't be OP if it's exclusive to people having to buy non-game related products to get it. The weapons are pretty balanced in the MP demo from what I've seen. Nothing so OP, so I'm sure it will all work out just fine.

Modifié par Daywalker315, 22 février 2012 - 11:35 .

[Chibito]

Bocks wrote...

ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT A PROTHEAN ISN'T IMPORTANT IN MASS EFFECT 3.

ARE YOU SERIOUS.

I think they are.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Daywalker315 wrote...

I'm sure they did have intentions to sell it as a standalone. That doesn't change the fact that it was marketed as a bonus to CE buyers. If it's a bonus to CE buyers it shouldn't be free to standard buyers. Simple. And BW capitalizes on the "oooooh" factor of a Prothean to people by selling it for $10. If gamers weren't so ridiculous I'd say it's a good business decision. Buy it if you want the lore and a new guy to blast baddies with, or don't if you want to save $10. Either way, you can still play the game and finish it and save the galaxy.

Can I hug you?

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

I also love how people are going on and on about how the Prothean squad member would be too valuable/relevant to be DLC and not in the main game. It's not like the CE DLC character was gonna be some grunt dude then all the sudden BioWare said, "Oh hey! Let's make this guy the Prothean instead!" No. He was originally intended to be the CE DLC squadmate from the beginning as a special treat to those of us who were willing to pay for him either in the CE or as Day 1 DLC.

[Sargerus]

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

This is something entirely different.

how is this different from Sebastian?

because it's a prothean! O__________________________________________o

/sarcasm

[felipejiraya]

Yuoaman wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

God, so much whining.

Don't like it don't buy it, it's simple.

The game itself isn't the issue here, it's that a major part of the lore is being taken out because they feel like shaking their players down for more money.

We don't know the impact that the prothean squadmate will have on the game or it's story. 

[Nokterian]

Bioware will not get any support from me anymore.

[RiouHotaru]

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
The Prothean is going to explain any questions we had about the Protheans, knowledge of the Reapers, and so on.

If you've read the script leaks, you KNOW this part isn't true.  And for someone who hasn't even seen the finished game you seem awfully sure of yourself.

Are you serious? It was pretty clear that the Prothean will provide a huge amount of unique insight on his race and will definitely be involved in a number of the games missions. If anything, I'd say he's the Legion of ME3.

Uhhh, he offers insight into galactic culture and has some opinions.  But absolutely NOTHING plot-critical, exactly like Kasumi, Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian.  The leak makes that clear.

[Yuoaman]

Bocks wrote...

ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT A PROTHEAN ISN'T IMPORTANT IN MASS EFFECT 3.

ARE YOU SERIOUS.

Protheans Schmotheans...

Except they are important.

Very important.

Like... seriously.

[Texaboose]

Chibito wrote...

Bocks wrote...

ARE YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY SAYING THAT A PROTHEAN ISN'T IMPORTANT IN MASS EFFECT 3.

ARE YOU SERIOUS.

I think they are.

Sure am

[Draconis6666]

The real truth of the matter is that DLC is a way for publishers to combat inflation without increasing base unit costs. Video game companies are Businesses, and in most cases publicly traded businesses with share holders. They have a responsibility to their share holders to increase profits and increase revenue. Just selling more is not always enough, if you make $100million in sales one year then the next year make $120 million that is not enough if the value of the dollar has decreased 25%, in that case you've actually lost revenue. The cost of video games has remained remarkably low and close to the same price for years which is a rare thing for luxury goods.

Personally I much prefer the extra costs being made up by DLC be it day 1 or otherwise that I have the option to not buy rather than continuous increases in the price of the base unit as most other products are forced to do to combat inflation simply because they do not have the option that games do with DLC.

[El Ejcovero]

Texaboose wrote...
Actually, all caps makes my head hurt.

Anyway, I know Protheans feature a lot in the lore and background in the ME universe, but missed the leak/post/whatever or this particular squad mate being a major point of the game. Heck, I thought the major point of the game/story was that of Shepard and the Reapers, not some zombiefied Prothean. The only ground breaking revelation will probably be how he survived that long on only 5 cans of beans.

The Prothean will flesh out some extra things and backgrounds, like the comic books did, but I don't see you whine that the comics weren't free everywhere (TPB excluded). That's why it's a Collectors Edition EXTRA, not an INTEGRAL part of the story that MUST be released to everyone.

Actually , I don't like Expanded Universe things like comics and books, look at what it did for Star Wars. But that is beside the point. The point is, we have game content, already made before release, it is not bonus perks for CE, it is not soundtrack, not a comic, not a book, but actual game content that is deliberately left out of the game before release when it should be part of the package. This is, as I have said countless times, unethical. Your customers are paying for the game, the whole game, on release. And you are cutting it up:

This is wrong.

Modifié par El Ejcovero, 22 février 2012 - 11:37 .