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[Xellana]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

now you´re just being stupid. I really hope you never played any of the games, otherwise I would really have to doubt your sanity.

[Draconis6666]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

ofcourse they are, the whole story build around proteans.

nope builds aroudn the reapers

[Ap0c_NL]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

do you reall think the writer came up with protheans in the first place and not show us what their fate was in the end? seriously? you need to open your eyes.

The protheans made the reapers and the reapers turned on the protheans eventually. seems more than obvious to me.

and to respond on your response: Yes ok build around, that's what i meant. but leaving that out means there is no story to tell. do you want to end a story and not knowning where the reapers came from at all?

Modifié par Ap0c_NL, 23 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[Errationatus]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Since June of last year it was intended to be Exclusive content for CE and DD owners. Whether or not it was a Prothean is possibly one of the worst kept secrets about the game, with multiplayer being a very poorly kept secret too. I recall that there were some problems over this last year with lots of people preordering CE/DD because they didn't want to miss out on the content. That SE owners have the opportunity to pay for some of the CE content shouldn't be an issue. I'd say CE/DD owners who are ONLY buying CE/DD for the extra character and mission should be the ones pissed. They could have bought SE + DLC for less.

The imagined issue here seems to be that because its a prothean it MUST be vital to the game. If it were vital it would have been in the game to begin with and not cut out.

^^^
This is smart, and very much to the point.

[ZombifiedJake]

I really don't know how the "devoted" fans of this forum can defend this, you're no more than husks. It's essentially like having to pay for Zaeed straight after getting your copy of ME2. I am not against the idea of DLC, I just cannot stand PAID launch DLC.

Prothean squadmate? Sure, that'd be a great part of the game, heck people have even asked for it. Let's postpone development of that so we can exclude it from the main game and shamelessly release it later to coincide with the game's launch.

[Jerryk72]

128+ pages of people complaining about an "optional" content pack. I bought the CE when it was first announced months ago because I wanted something to commemorate a great trilogy. I'm sure a bunch of other Mass Effect fans felt the same way. So the CE's sold out. Could you imagine the backlash if "Prothy the Prothean" was only available to the people who bought the CE? We'd have 300+ pages by now about how Bioware & EA screwed Mass Effect fans. So they made a decision to offer the content pack as Day 1 DLC at a cost of 800. If I remember right, Zaeed was also 800 but it was free when you redeemed the Cerberus Network pass. Perhaps this is the same situation?

I'm betting that was the original plan but Microsoft screwed up and posted the content pack early.. The people who will upset are those who snagged it for 800 when they could have gotten it for free had they just waited.. I'll be curious to hear what Bioware has to say Friday and I look forward to the 300 page thread of people complaining about it..

[Goth Skunk]

ZombifiedJake wrote...

I really don't know how the "devoted" fans of this forum can defend this, you're no more than husks. It's essentially like having to pay for Zaeed straight after getting your copy of ME2. I am not against the idea of DLC, I just cannot stand PAID launch DLC.

Prothean squadmate? Sure, that'd be a great part of the game, heck people have even asked for it. Let's postpone development of that so we can exclude it from the main game and shamelessly release it later to coincide with the game's launch.

You're no more than a talking bag of hot air.

[OdanUrr]

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

I'm afraid I do. There was no "surprise" effect for me, no "omg what" reaction, just a "seriously?" There was no need for the story to turn the Collectors into Protheans to make sense. After all, we learned in ME1 that Sovereign likely had other tools at its disposal. Saren and his geth, the Keepers, the Protheans who turned on their fellows, husks, etc. The Collectors could've simply been another race repurposed to suit the Reapers' needs and that would've been interesting too. Bringing back the Protheans in this fashion was unnecessary.

-Aha. So yet another generic alien race with chitcnious shells would have been the pinnacle of storytelling then. Right.

Casting the protheans in that role made sense, gave the story a twist, and elaborated on the fate of the protheans. Presto. Kinder egg.

Instead youd expect people to bond and empathze with a newly introduced race that got idoctrinated. Really?  Thats your idea of great storytelling? Thats your idea of getting the audience involved and feeling a bond? 

Tell me something. Have you ever played Pen and pager RPG's? Or read fantasy, or just fiction in general? 

Now you're just being rude. You argued that it was essential for the Collectors to have been Protheans and I believe I have explained that is not so. Whether it's a nice twist or not is a subjective matter. You also seem to think that the mere inclusion of the Protheans constitutes great storytelling. I disagree. It would have been intriguing to learn more about another race, especially one older than the Protheans themselves, that had been repurposed by the Reapers and thus gain new insight on the exact process of indoctrination while, at the same time, learn about this new/old civilization. Imagine if they were the ones who brought down the derelict Reaper in ME2? That would have been a nice twist.

As to your other questions, I have not played pen and paper RPGs. As to my reading habits, I read science fiction, fantasy, historical novels, fiction, biographies, books on science, pretty much everything.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 23 février 2012 - 01:46 .

[Farbautisonn]

Draconis6666 wrote...
For some people yes it does, they have no lore from ME 1 aside from what is told to them in ME 2.

-So you conceed that even the lore in the codex colours the protheans essential. Thats nice. And Im abit curious. For "some people". Tell me. How can you undestand the lore of the game, the structure, sociology and even the motivations of some of the crewmates without the protheans as a plot ploy?  "Some" people apparently do? 

The codex questionably so, in that it recaps parts of ME 1's plot while undermining much of the tone and importance of the elements that make what it recaps actualy meaningful. The in game reactions not at all because they are for the most part poorly done and dont express the importance anyway more like a "oooh really thats kind of interesting" level of importance. There is no giant shock and awe that is explored in depth to find out how it happened or even an option to comment on it significantly

-And yet that shock and awe is pretty much obvious in the mission where you enter the Collector ship and find out what the collectors really are. Im sure the shock and awe would have been just as interesting if it had been "OMG... the collectors are PUDDINGS!!!. They are here to win the wimbledon!"

No they arent, the only race that is absolutly essential are the Reapers, the protheans could have been cut up and turned into multiple races and the setting would still make sense and remain mostly unchanged. The collectors did not need to be protheans and them not being so would have changed very little about the setting. Lllikewise they could be completely removed and omitted with only mild alteration to the setting  thus far with the only serious rewriting being the beacons and the conduit (arguably the conduit is one of the largest plot holes in the first game to begin with and its exclusion and subsequent rewriting could be a good thing)

They are not directly essential to the game you are playing or the current setting. The setting would be fundamentaly the same as long as the races that are living and not extinct existed even if you completely removed the protheans and  turned them into completely different races in every instance where they are mentioned. They are a sub importance and not something that you should prtend is the core of the entire franchise because that is the Reapers.

-We have been over this ad nauseam. If you want to cut the story down to its "essentials" like that then the only thing that matters is Shepard. You dont need the reapers. They play second fiddle to him. Wouldnt make a very interesting game, or story, but there it is.

The very reason we even discovered the relays, protheans. The very reason we were able to beat sovereign, protheans. Prothean ruins and relics galore. Prothean scientists as squadmatwes. Missions to  prothean ruins. And I could go on for ages. And you still, crampingly, hold on to your assumption that the protheans are not essential. I give up.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 23 février 2012 - 01:45 .

[Errationatus]

Jahannam wrote...


What did I do that isnt acting my age? I said Im not angry im dissapointed in the direction bioware went with this. I for 10$ am not getting a full CE and thats fine.

Running around in a forum and acting like anyone you respond to as a 12 year old...yeah your a ..Im am going there. Moron is what you are. Now shut up you trolish idiot.

BSN ****** Rule No.321:

"When you have no actual counter-argument and are seriously outclassed, call him a troll, and make the attack personal. That works every time."

[nitefyre410]

Christ people we can disagree and throw stupid insult around... chill

[Ap0c_NL]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Since June of last year it was intended to be Exclusive content for CE and DD owners. Whether or not it was a Prothean is possibly one of the worst kept secrets about the game, with multiplayer being a very poorly kept secret too. I recall that there were some problems over this last year with lots of people preordering CE/DD because they didn't want to miss out on the content. That SE owners have the opportunity to pay for some of the CE content shouldn't be an issue. I'd say CE/DD owners who are ONLY buying CE/DD for the extra character and mission should be the ones pissed. They could have bought SE + DLC for less.

The imagined issue here seems to be that because its a prothean it MUST be vital to the game. If it were vital it would have been in the game to begin with and not cut out.

^^^
This is smart, and very much to the point.

True, vital means it would break the storyline that is not possible but leaving something important out that will leave a gap in the whole does not mean it is vital to the story just very important to see the big picture.

[obie191970]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

do you reall think the writer came up with protheans in the first place and not show us what their fate was in the end? seriously? you need to open your eyes.

The protheans made the reapers and the reapers turned on the protheans eventually. seems more than obvious to me.

and to respond on your response: Yes ok build around, that's what i meant. but leaving that out means there is no story to tell. do you want to end a story and not knowning where the reapers came from at all?

The Protheans didn't create the Reapers.  The Protheans are just the last known civilization to be wiped out by the Reapers - All Prothean technololgy is based on Reaper tech - The Reapers have been around far longer the Protheans have.

[LivingHitokiri]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

in the game called Dragonus6666 Effect series this probably be true, in ME series this is absolute BS proven by the whole game.
Protheans are not simply rerwitting in the series.removing them simply there is NO mass effect you me and other millions played and enjoyed about.
The whole games roots are the protheans, the main plot resovles about protheans and their hope that they sent via beacons as messages in order to stop reapers,the whole ****hole that happen with sovereign stying to find all becomns and destroy anything that could have any chance to stop their ivasion.
Seriously, play the game again,understand the story properly then come bakc and discuss about it

Modifié par LivingHitokiri, 23 février 2012 - 01:48 .

[StElmo]

It sends the wrong message to consumers. Releasing day one DLC is like charging for bread at a restraunt. It shows very little confidence the main meal can be done justice and that bioware need all the money they can scrape off the top.

Very very very bad marketing. They could have offered this two months later and no one would have cared and it would have been a nice little freebie for CE owners.

Instead, they chose to exclude excited buyers of the regular edition while also telling them "hey guess what our game isn't going to be good to hold your attention for long, so here's some more DLC".

It sends a poor message, shame on Bioware. Because ME 3 would have been tainted by this. It is a promising package in itself no need for extra DLC on day one.

Modifié par StElmo, 23 février 2012 - 01:47 .

[Jahannam]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Jahannam wrote...


What did I do that isnt acting my age? I said Im not angry im dissapointed in the direction bioware went with this. I for 10$ am not getting a full CE and thats fine.

Running around in a forum and acting like anyone you respond to as a 12 year old...yeah your a ..Im am going there. Moron is what you are. Now shut up you trolish idiot.

BSN ****** Rule No.321:

"When you have no actual counter-argument and are seriously outclassed, call him a troll, and make the attack personal. That works every time."

When your a jackass thats just out to attack someone post dumb garbage like this

[Draconis6666]

Xellana wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

now you´re just being stupid. I really hope you never played any of the games, otherwise I would really have to doubt your sanity.

nope its perfecty true the first game would have needed substantial rewriting, but that rewriting could have in fact been a good thing because the entire plot of the conduit is a huge plot hole and probably the thing in the entire series that makes the least sense.

The second game would remain almost completely unchanged by the protheans never having existed at all. They are only actualy essential to the plot of the series if you have played ME 1 if your knowledge of the series begins at ME 2 they have no direct importance and could not exist at all without it changing your experience significantly. 

They are IMPORTANT to the series as it is, they are NOT Essential. ESSENTIAL implies that wihout them the series simply could not exist and follow the same general plot line and thats not true. The only thing that would completely cause the series to be unable to exist would be if the reapers didnt exist and nothing took their place.

[Syrellaris]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

Right ofcourse -.-

1) No it can not be sued. Goodluck with trying that
2) you get the full experience even without the DLC
3) Controller support is of no importance on the pc. heck it should have been left out from the start.

and you decide that all by yourself? ignorant....best description.
I will not sue i will let that to one of those americans.
All i can do is just ignore this wolves strategy or cancelation.

No i did not decide that on my own. It is a known Fact you cannot Sue for this. They have the 100% right to offer content as a DLC. wether or not you think it should be free or in the game is of no matter here. You didnt develop it and you have a choice of buying it or not. Any sane judge, even in america will know that.

the second point has already been discussed to death. The DLC does not impact the main game. It adds to it.

3 is an opinion btw.

[Goth Skunk]

StElmo wrote...

It sends the wrong message to consumers. Releasing day one DLC is like charging for bread at a restraunt. It shows very little confidence the main meal can be done justice and that bioware need all the money they can scrape off the top.

Very very very bad marketing. They could have offered this two months later and no one would have cared and it would have been a nice little freebie for CE owners.

Instead, they chose to exclude excited buyers of the regular edition while also telling them "hey guess what our game isn't going to be good to hold your attention for long, so here's some more DLC".

It sends a poor message, shame on Bioware. Because ME 3 would have been tainted by this. It is a promising package in itself no need for extra DLC on day one.

I disagree. Your point is now moot.

[Sandoo]

JakeMacDon wrote...

And I say that it was a CE perk.  Initially, SE folks weren't going to get it at all, at some point in the process.  That Bioware thought that you'd like a chunk of extra gameplay for 10 bucks was their decision.  But you don't deserve it, and you sure as hell don't deserve it for free.

 
They are all about making money (and I don't blame them) but , imo, they are going to far.

 

Define "to (sic) far".

 
They are loosing clients and potential buyers over something so little. Hope it'll be worth it for them.

You actually think raging in the forum is going to matter to anyone at EA?  The only way it hurts their profits is if the majority of buyers for this product do not buy it.

That is not going to happen.  This outrage over what you think you deserve is meaningless.  Don't buy it.  Save your money.  You win.

I meant "too far". For me, buying a dlc that seem that important on day one to reward fans is just abusing the buyers. Not asking you to agree with me, that's just how I feel.

I agree that if I don't like it, I shouldn't buy it. The reality is a bit different because I'm a big mass effect fan and I want ... no, I must know how it ends so I will buy it. That is why I think they are abusing us (even if it's a strong world, couldn't find a better once since english isn't my native language) because they know very well we want that game and know how the franchise will end. No matter how many dlc they will sell us.
They would never do that kind of thing to a new franchise.

They will sell a lot of ME3/DLC copies, but my bet is they won't sell many of their upcoming games because some of us will remember this.
Just like I've bought the first mass effect because I knew Bioware were good (bladur's gate, kotor, ...)

And finaly, I know EA / bioware don't care about what I write in the forum, but it's an easy way for me to express my feeling about it.
This is MY point of view. Don't agree with it, like I care.

[finc.loki]

CrustyBot wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Pure LIES by Bioware.

No way in hell did they make the game content complete 6 months before the game release, this game didn't even have 2 full years in development. The CE edition was announced months and months ago, and they already at first announcement said it was "the prothean", they knew LONG before that they would include this character.
They just decided to monetize it, they did it especially cause of the value of the Protheans and the lore they have in the ME games.
Shepard was special cause he could get the message from the protheans in ME1, we hunted all things Prothean, lore over and over.
We fought modified protheans in ME2, the MAIN FN ENEMY!!!!

Also I heard one of the blatant lies from Bioware that they didn't work on this until AFTER certification of the game was done.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, Certification happens a few months, perhaps even as little as ONE MONTH before going GOLD.
So they worked on prothy starting january 2012, yet the CE edition was announced MONTHS before that.
Do you not see the lies they tell you?
How about the leaked scripts, the VO work?

Anything being made DURING normal game development, which is ANYTHING before the game releases is game content for the game.
Ask Bethesda why they didn't do DAY 1 DLC out of a ton of content for Skyrim. They worked on it up until release.

It's extortion of our want to have a complete game, the extortion of our need to have lore and wanting to talk and play with the MAIN FN RACE that fought the Reapers, the whole franchise started with us hunting Prothean tech and information, the WHOLE PLOT of ME1 was about them.
This is a money grab nothing else.

It's one thing to love Bioware games, but a whole other thing to willingly be used and then defend being defiled this way. That is just wrong.

DLC that is made AFTER and come out AFTER a game has been released is completely different.

I wouldn't feel so bad about Prothy if he came out 6 months later, then I can choose to replay ME3 with him in it.
But knowing all the CE edition buyers, and others that paid extra get a more complete game than me UNLESS I pay more, is absolutely atrocious.
Also saying that he is not NEEDED is an extremely bad cop out and horrible fallacy. You can say that about almost anything in life.
But that is not how it works. This was developed during the time BEFORE the game is out and it is DONE BEFORE the game is out.

When do they draw the line and say, this and no further, everything after this point in development we will charge extra for. Do you not see how DUMB that is?
Collectors editions should NEVER include exclusive game content, then they are just moving the goal post for what a FEATURE COMPLETE GAME REALLY IS.
Don't you guys understand that? A collectors edition has and up until this money grab been about exclusive PHYSICAL ITEMS.
Statues, key-chains, numbered COLLECTORS ITEMS. Now they include DAY 1 game content.
Then it's not "collectors" edition, but "ultra complete" editions.

Also had they made this CE exclusive, Bioware would face such a backlash it would be epic. They know it, this is why they also release it for normal editions, but you have to pay extra.
This is also because they can't offer it for free now that they MILKED money out of collectors edition buyers, then  they would go up in arms (rightly so).
They knew all of this and they wanted more money.

Effectively what we see here is EA's attempt of seeing how far they can push monetization of their games, NOTHING ELSE.
They have literally raised the prize of thier ME3 game to $70+ instead of $60.
Don't say it's optional cause it isn't for a fan, and also the WHOLE GAME IS OPTIONAL TO BEGIN WITH.

Now that they see all the Bioware sycophants that loved to be USED and PAY no matter what, they will now make it standard business practise.

Does anyone remember Activision, when they started to charge all PC versions the same as consoles? Even though PC doesn't pay royalties like MS and SONY demands?
Does anyone remember Activision raising the "map pack" prizes from $10 to $15 cause they knew people would pay it.
Today we all see this as standard and now used to it.

THIS IS EXACTLY what EA is doing with this Day 1 DLC.
Here is a pre-emptive " I told you so" when you will see this more and more in other EA games, then other publishers will follow.

It might be inevitable, but for crying out loud, DON'T DEFEND THIS PRACTISE, it's makes you out to be nothing but mindless sheep..

You should be ashamed for such a post.

You first call BioWare a pack of liars, then lace the rest of your post with arrogant, self-entitled whining and at the end, you accuse the fans of being mindless sheep.

Tch.

There's nothing wrong with BioWare and nothing wrong with EA. While EA doesn't have the best track record, it's clear that both BioWare and EA are going full on with Mass Effect 3.

This DLC is proof. Despite your assertions of lies (backed up by nothing), the Prothean DLC is now available to everyone at a fair price, because BioWare cares about it's fans. Yes, it's $10, but it's not something that people should get for free. There's other stuff in the pack, too.

And even if you were right, so what?

Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's tale and BioWare have honed their craft over the course of the series.

The culmination of the series will surely be the most majestic, thought provoking, accessible and blood pumping with a stellar cast, amazing storytelling and innovative features such as multiplayer.

So it's worth a little extra.

If you've come here to ruin everyone else's fun, I'd ask you to leave. We don't need negativity here.

There is NOTHING self-entitled in my whole post.
This is a new fad I see going around, "entitled" when you don't agree with being used as a walking wallet.

I didn't accuse all fans of being sheep, I am a fan myself, I say people that DEFEND this practise and doesn't realize what it is about, yes they ARE sheep.

As for calling them liars, well when some of their "exuses" doesn't line up with reality, then yes, it's lies.
Do you honestly think they are going to come out and say they did make this specifically to charge us fans more money.
I know you would still clap your hands in excitement, but I won't.
Why do we fans have to be sycophants as well, why do we have to pay more and more just to be in the awesome grace that is the godly Bioware.

This is a TWO-WAY street, it's about money exchanging hands for a product.
When one party is starting to use unfair practises, then something is wrong.
Yes I can then just close up my wallet and not get the game, but that is easier said than done, if this was the very first game in the franchise I WOULD do that.
But this is the last one, I love the games and I have invested my time and enjoyment AND MONEY in this franchise.
Not getting this game is not getting a conclusion to a good book.
Mind you I never said their games or ME is bad, I LOVE Them, hence WHY I am so angry that I am being squeezed and used as a walking money bag.

If this DLC came out months AFTER the game came out, it would be different, if the character wasn't so "intertwined" in the whole ME franchise for what RACE he is and what that MEANS, then yes I wouldn't care as much.

This is not about "entitlement", It's about FAIRNESS.
IF they want to "reward us" with a special character that DOES have so much more meaning than ZAEED etc, then why charge us money for it? Especially since it was DONE BEFORE RELEASE OF THE GAME.
Why make it between the "have's and have not's", Sure $10 is not a problem for me, but clearly some do have issues with it.

When I see other developers that I love like Bioware do all of this FOR FREE and MORE, then  yes I wonder, WHY Bioware, then I realize the answer.

EA!

Bethesda worked on Skyrim up until launch, just a few months before relase they said they have 120 dungeons, a little closer to release they announced they now had close to 150.
Did they just "take it out" and charge us for it? NO!
Did they take out the "stormcloak rebellion" and make it DLC exclusive, NO!
Did they come out with a MOD KIT for FREE, YES...

See THAT is how you "REWARD" fans, and treat paying customers.

I feel in my heart that Bioware wouldn't do this, before EA bought them.
I don't blame EA too much, in the sense they are PURE business, and doesn't have the "creative hearts" and the fan interaction that developers at least USED to have.

Perhaps I'm nostalgic back to a time when this type of "using" of us gamers didn't happen.
I remember buying Half Life 1, 2, quake, Deus Ex all those game FULLY COMPLETE for ONE PRICE.

Now we will forever be charged more and more, by " what they say is  non-essential to complete the game".

And You WONDER why I call people that defend this for sheep?
The term "sheep" points to someone that just goes along with any change without questioning ANYTHING.
How is that not exactly spot-on?

I did not call YOU that, but if you feel that this is the case, ask yourself why you feel that 

[StElmo]

Goth Skunk wrote...

StElmo wrote...

It sends the wrong message to consumers. Releasing day one DLC is like charging for bread at a restraunt. It shows very little confidence the main meal can be done justice and that bioware need all the money they can scrape off the top.

Very very very bad marketing. They could have offered this two months later and no one would have cared and it would have been a nice little freebie for CE owners.

Instead, they chose to exclude excited buyers of the regular edition while also telling them "hey guess what our game isn't going to be good to hold your attention for long, so here's some more DLC".

It sends a poor message, shame on Bioware. Because ME 3 would have been tainted by this. It is a promising package in itself no need for extra DLC on day one.

I disagree. Your point is now moot.

Nice rebuttal!!!!

Modifié par StElmo, 23 février 2012 - 01:50 .

[TK Dude]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Christ people we can disagree and throw stupid insult around... chill

Never! 

[DDG4005]

Sounds like it's going to be very cool.  I can't wait to play it!  Thanks for this!

[nitefyre410]

StElmo wrote...

It sends the wrong message to consumers. Releasing day one DLC is like charging for bread at a restraunt. It shows very little confidence the main meal can be done justice and that bioware need all the money they can scrape off the top.

Very very very bad marketing. They could have offered this two months later and no one would have cared and it would have been a nice little freebie for CE owners.

Instead, they chose to exclude excited buyers of the regular edition while also telling them "hey guess what our game isn't going to be good to hold your attention for long, so here's some more DLC".

It sends a poor message, shame on Bioware.

 

extactly
I have trying the make resturant  anology

You and I go out to eat... we other  them thing.... you get dessert and I don't

Our meals comes out mine is undercooked and raw.  You your is cooked... Say we got  both got mashed potatoes on the side but  server put raw uncooked potato on my plate while you got nice flluffy, buttery , delicous mash.

I complain the manager and the manager says  "He  paid for dessert so he paid extra but  for 10 bucks more I can cook that  for ya."