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[Ap0c_NL]

OdanUrr wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

I'm afraid I do. There was no "surprise" effect for me, no "omg what" reaction, just a "seriously?" There was no need for the story to turn the Collectors into Protheans to make sense. After all, we learned in ME1 that Sovereign likely had other tools at its disposal. Saren and his geth, the Keepers, the Protheans who turned on their fellows, husks, etc. The Collectors could've simply been another race repurposed to suit the Reapers' needs and that would've been interesting too. Bringing back the Protheans in this fashion was unnecessary.

-Aha. So yet another generic alien race with chitcnious shells would have been the pinnacle of storytelling then. Right.

Casting the protheans in that role made sense, gave the story a twist, and elaborated on the fate of the protheans. Presto. Kinder egg.

Instead youd expect people to bond and empathze with a newly introduced race that got idoctrinated. Really?  Thats your idea of great storytelling? Thats your idea of getting the audience involved and feeling a bond? 

Tell me something. Have you ever played Pen and pager RPG's? Or read fantasy, or just fiction in general? 

Now you're just being rude. You argued that it was essential for the Collectors to have been Protheans and I believe I have explained that is not so. Whether it's a nice twist or not is a subjective matter. You also seem to think that the mere inclusion of the Protheans constitutes great storytelling. I disagree. It would have been intriguing to learn more about another race, especially one older than the Protheans themselves, that had been repurposed by the Reapers and thus gain new insight on the exact process of indoctrination while, at the same time, learn about this new/old civilization. Imagine if they were the ones who brought down the derelict Reaper in ME2? That would have been a nice twist.

As to your other questions, I have not played pen and paper RPGs. As to my reading habits, I read science fiction, fantasy, historical novels, fiction, biographies, books on science, pretty much everything.

Sorry but thats why it is good not everybody writes stories they would be rediculously bad.
Another race older than the protheans? :/ come on you can't be serious about that.
There must be an oldest and you can't go back and back and back in time with new spiecies dude!
protheans where 50.000 years ago what do you come up with next then? 100.000 the Marathans, they are even more advanced they do not use mass relay's and the reapers? =/

most people don't have the great vision of the writers of such epic stories and that is why it is good they just ignore most of the talk about story here.

What is more important is that DLC on launch is not fair. Discuss about that 

[Goth Skunk]

StElmo wrote...

Nice rebuttal!!!!

I refuse to lower myself to your level just so you can understand my intellectual superiority.

[thunderheadx84]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Monochrome Wench wrote...

Since June of last year it was intended to be Exclusive content for CE and DD owners. Whether or not it was a Prothean is possibly one of the worst kept secrets about the game, with multiplayer being a very poorly kept secret too. I recall that there were some problems over this last year with lots of people preordering CE/DD because they didn't want to miss out on the content. That SE owners have the opportunity to pay for some of the CE content shouldn't be an issue. I'd say CE/DD owners who are ONLY buying CE/DD for the extra character and mission should be the ones pissed. They could have bought SE + DLC for less.

The imagined issue here seems to be that because its a prothean it MUST be vital to the game. If it were vital it would have been in the game to begin with and not cut out.

^^^
This is smart, and very much to the point.

My thoughts exactly.

[OdanUrr]

Goth Skunk wrote...

StElmo wrote...

It sends the wrong message to consumers. Releasing day one DLC is like charging for bread at a restraunt. It shows very little confidence the main meal can be done justice and that bioware need all the money they can scrape off the top.

Very very very bad marketing. They could have offered this two months later and no one would have cared and it would have been a nice little freebie for CE owners.

Instead, they chose to exclude excited buyers of the regular edition while also telling them "hey guess what our game isn't going to be good to hold your attention for long, so here's some more DLC".

It sends a poor message, shame on Bioware. Because ME 3 would have been tainted by this. It is a promising package in itself no need for extra DLC on day one.

I disagree. Your point is now moot.

Best reply ever.

[Takamori The Templar]

finc.loki wrote...


There is NOTHING self-entitled in my whole post.
This is a new fad I see going around, "entitled" when you don't agree with being used as a walking wallet.

I didn't accuse all fans of being sheep, I am a fan myself, I say people that DEFEND this practise and doesn't realize what it is about, yes they ARE sheep.

As for calling them liars, well when some of their "exuses" doesn't line up with reality, then yes, it's lies.
Do you honestly think they are going to come out and say they did make this specifically to charge us fans more money.
I know you would still clap your hands in excitement, but I won't.
Why do we fans have to be sycophants as well, why do we have to pay more and more just to be in the awesome grace that is the godly Bioware.

This is a TWO-WAY street, it's about money exchanging hands for a product.
When one party is starting to use unfair practises, then something is wrong.
Yes I can then just close up my wallet and not get the game, but that is easier said than done, if this was the very first game in the franchise I WOULD do that.
But this is the last one, I love the games and I have invested my time and enjoyment AND MONEY in this franchise.
Not getting this game is not getting a conclusion to a good book.
Mind you I never said their games or ME is bad, I LOVE Them, hence WHY I am so angry that I am being squeezed and used as a walking money bag.

If this DLC came out months AFTER the game came out, it would be different, if the character wasn't so "intertwined" in the whole ME franchise for what RACE he is and what that MEANS, then yes I wouldn't care as much.

This is not about "entitlement", It's about FAIRNESS.
IF they want to "reward us" with a special character that DOES have so much more meaning than ZAEED etc, then why charge us money for it? Especially since it was DONE BEFORE RELEASE OF THE GAME.
Why make it between the "have's and have not's", Sure $10 is not a problem for me, but clearly some do have issues with it.

When I see other developers that I love like Bioware do all of this FOR FREE and MORE, then  yes I wonder, WHY Bioware, then I realize the answer.

EA!

Bethesda worked on Skyrim up until launch, just a few months before relase they said they have 120 dungeons, a little closer to release they announced they now had close to 150.
Did they just "take it out" and charge us for it? NO!
Did they take out the "stormcloak rebellion" and make it DLC exclusive, NO!
Did they come out with a MOD KIT for FREE, YES...

See THAT is how you "REWARD" fans, and treat paying customers.

I feel in my heart that Bioware wouldn't do this, before EA bought them.
I don't blame EA too much, in the sense they are PURE business, and doesn't have the "creative hearts" and the fan interaction that developers at least USED to have.

Perhaps I'm nostalgic back to a time when this type of "using" of us gamers didn't happen.
I remember buying Half Life 1, 2, quake, Deus Ex all those game FULLY COMPLETE for ONE PRICE.

Now we will forever be charged more and more, by " what they say is  non-essential to complete the game".

And You WONDER why I call people that defend this for sheep?
The term "sheep" points to someone that just goes along with any change without questioning ANYTHING.
How is that not exactly spot-on?

I did not call YOU that, but if you feel that this is the case, ask yourself why you feel that 

You are trying to use logics against bioware defense force, its futile.
They will repeat the same argument how you are wrong with different words, instead of reppelling the new arguments throw in the table.

[Gtacatalina]

Syrellaris wrote...

3) Controller support is of no importance on the pc. heck it should have been left out from the start.

I don't think 'Joan Moldovia' will be agreeing with you

http://social.biowar...-9305069-1.html

Modifié par Gtacatalina, 23 février 2012 - 02:01 .

[Descedent]

DDG3595 wrote...

Sounds like it's going to be very cool.  I can't wait to play it!  Thanks for this!

people like you are why we get charged $15 for 3 maps these days instead of free update or 30-40$ expansion packs.

gtfo

[Mudzr]

I understand why people are getting upset over this, but ME3 is looking to be a great game. If nothing else, the multiplayer seems amazing and definatly worth sinking hours if not days into. Yes I know protheans are important to alot of people, before ME3 was announced I really wanted to see this race in person, but there will hopefully be a whole lot of other amazing stuff to enjoy about mass effect.
I mean, before the squad was announced, I really wanted a batarian squad member, I mean, I saw the hate they got and I really wanted to see the world from their point of view. I thought there was alot of potential. Clearly bioware didn't. But just because he's (she's?) not there, it doesn't mean that this is going to effect my enjoyment of the game.

At least with the prothean you have the option of getting him if you want to. I know $10 is alot of money to some of you, but here in Australia I pay $100 for a normal video game. When I spend money like that I try to think of how if I didn't, i'll probably end up losing it or spending it on drinks or something anyway.

So my advice would be to wait untill the game comes out, then complain about the lack of certain content. In the meantime, just appreciate that a hopefully incredible game will come out soon. And if it's terrible, well i'm sure we'll get some good memes out of it.

[Goth Skunk]

nitefyre410 wrote...

extactly
I have trying the make resturant  anology

You and I go out to eat... we other  them thing.... you get dessert and I don't

Our meals comes out mine is undercooked and raw.  You your is cooked... Say we got  both got mashed potatoes on the side but  server put raw uncooked potato on my plate while you got nice flluffy, buttery , delicous mash.

I complain the manager and the manager says  "He  paid for dessert so he paid extra but  for 10 bucks more I can cook that  for ya." 

This is a TERRIBLE analogy!

The "From Ashes" Dlc IS the dessert!

Mass Effect 3 is the delicious, fully cooked meal!

Idiot.

[nightcobra]

finc.loki wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Pure LIES by Bioware.

No way in hell did they make the game content complete 6 months before the game release, this game didn't even have 2 full years in development. The CE edition was announced months and months ago, and they already at first announcement said it was "the prothean", they knew LONG before that they would include this character.
They just decided to monetize it, they did it especially cause of the value of the Protheans and the lore they have in the ME games.
Shepard was special cause he could get the message from the protheans in ME1, we hunted all things Prothean, lore over and over.
We fought modified protheans in ME2, the MAIN FN ENEMY!!!!

Also I heard one of the blatant lies from Bioware that they didn't work on this until AFTER certification of the game was done.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME, Certification happens a few months, perhaps even as little as ONE MONTH before going GOLD.
So they worked on prothy starting january 2012, yet the CE edition was announced MONTHS before that.
Do you not see the lies they tell you?
How about the leaked scripts, the VO work?

Anything being made DURING normal game development, which is ANYTHING before the game releases is game content for the game.
Ask Bethesda why they didn't do DAY 1 DLC out of a ton of content for Skyrim. They worked on it up until release.

It's extortion of our want to have a complete game, the extortion of our need to have lore and wanting to talk and play with the MAIN FN RACE that fought the Reapers, the whole franchise started with us hunting Prothean tech and information, the WHOLE PLOT of ME1 was about them.
This is a money grab nothing else.

It's one thing to love Bioware games, but a whole other thing to willingly be used and then defend being defiled this way. That is just wrong.

DLC that is made AFTER and come out AFTER a game has been released is completely different.

I wouldn't feel so bad about Prothy if he came out 6 months later, then I can choose to replay ME3 with him in it.
But knowing all the CE edition buyers, and others that paid extra get a more complete game than me UNLESS I pay more, is absolutely atrocious.
Also saying that he is not NEEDED is an extremely bad cop out and horrible fallacy. You can say that about almost anything in life.
But that is not how it works. This was developed during the time BEFORE the game is out and it is DONE BEFORE the game is out.

When do they draw the line and say, this and no further, everything after this point in development we will charge extra for. Do you not see how DUMB that is?
Collectors editions should NEVER include exclusive game content, then they are just moving the goal post for what a FEATURE COMPLETE GAME REALLY IS.
Don't you guys understand that? A collectors edition has and up until this money grab been about exclusive PHYSICAL ITEMS.
Statues, key-chains, numbered COLLECTORS ITEMS. Now they include DAY 1 game content.
Then it's not "collectors" edition, but "ultra complete" editions.

Also had they made this CE exclusive, Bioware would face such a backlash it would be epic. They know it, this is why they also release it for normal editions, but you have to pay extra.
This is also because they can't offer it for free now that they MILKED money out of collectors edition buyers, then  they would go up in arms (rightly so).
They knew all of this and they wanted more money.

Effectively what we see here is EA's attempt of seeing how far they can push monetization of their games, NOTHING ELSE.
They have literally raised the prize of thier ME3 game to $70+ instead of $60.
Don't say it's optional cause it isn't for a fan, and also the WHOLE GAME IS OPTIONAL TO BEGIN WITH.

Now that they see all the Bioware sycophants that loved to be USED and PAY no matter what, they will now make it standard business practise.

Does anyone remember Activision, when they started to charge all PC versions the same as consoles? Even though PC doesn't pay royalties like MS and SONY demands?
Does anyone remember Activision raising the "map pack" prizes from $10 to $15 cause they knew people would pay it.
Today we all see this as standard and now used to it.

THIS IS EXACTLY what EA is doing with this Day 1 DLC.
Here is a pre-emptive " I told you so" when you will see this more and more in other EA games, then other publishers will follow.

It might be inevitable, but for crying out loud, DON'T DEFEND THIS PRACTISE, it's makes you out to be nothing but mindless sheep..

You should be ashamed for such a post.

You first call BioWare a pack of liars, then lace the rest of your post with arrogant, self-entitled whining and at the end, you accuse the fans of being mindless sheep.

Tch.

There's nothing wrong with BioWare and nothing wrong with EA. While EA doesn't have the best track record, it's clear that both BioWare and EA are going full on with Mass Effect 3.

This DLC is proof. Despite your assertions of lies (backed up by nothing), the Prothean DLC is now available to everyone at a fair price, because BioWare cares about it's fans. Yes, it's $10, but it's not something that people should get for free. There's other stuff in the pack, too.

And even if you were right, so what?

Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's tale and BioWare have honed their craft over the course of the series.

The culmination of the series will surely be the most majestic, thought provoking, accessible and blood pumping with a stellar cast, amazing storytelling and innovative features such as multiplayer.

So it's worth a little extra.

If you've come here to ruin everyone else's fun, I'd ask you to leave. We don't need negativity here.

There is NOTHING self-entitled in my whole post.
This is a new fad I see going around, "entitled" when you don't agree with being used as a walking wallet.

I didn't accuse all fans of being sheep, I am a fan myself, I say people that DEFEND this practise and doesn't realize what it is about, yes they ARE sheep.

As for calling them liars, well when some of their "exuses" doesn't line up with reality, then yes, it's lies.
Do you honestly think they are going to come out and say they did make this specifically to charge us fans more money.
I know you would still clap your hands in excitement, but I won't.
Why do we fans have to be sycophants as well, why do we have to pay more and more just to be in the awesome grace that is the godly Bioware.

This is a TWO-WAY street, it's about money exchanging hands for a product.
When one party is starting to use unfair practises, then something is wrong.
Yes I can then just close up my wallet and not get the game, but that is easier said than done, if this was the very first game in the franchise I WOULD do that.
But this is the last one, I love the games and I have invested my time and enjoyment AND MONEY in this franchise.
Not getting this game is not getting a conclusion to a good book.
Mind you I never said their games or ME is bad, I LOVE Them, hence WHY I am so angry that I am being squeezed and used as a walking money bag.

If this DLC came out months AFTER the game came out, it would be different, if the character wasn't so "intertwined" in the whole ME franchise for what RACE he is and what that MEANS, then yes I wouldn't care as much.

This is not about "entitlement", It's about FAIRNESS.
IF they want to "reward us" with a special character that DOES have so much more meaning than ZAEED etc, then why charge us money for it? Especially since it was DONE BEFORE RELEASE OF THE GAME.
Why make it between the "have's and have not's", Sure $10 is not a problem for me, but clearly some do have issues with it.

When I see other developers that I love like Bioware do all of this FOR FREE and MORE, then  yes I wonder, WHY Bioware, then I realize the answer.

EA!

Bethesda worked on Skyrim up until launch, just a few months before relase they said they have 120 dungeons, a little closer to release they announced they now had close to 150.
Did they just "take it out" and charge us for it? NO!
Did they take out the "stormcloak rebellion" and make it DLC exclusive, NO!
Did they come out with a MOD KIT for FREE, YES...

See THAT is how you "REWARD" fans, and treat paying customers.

I feel in my heart that Bioware wouldn't do this, before EA bought them.
I don't blame EA too much, in the sense they are PURE business, and doesn't have the "creative hearts" and the fan interaction that developers at least USED to have.

Perhaps I'm nostalgic back to a time when this type of "using" of us gamers didn't happen.
I remember buying Half Life 1, 2, quake, Deus Ex all those game FULLY COMPLETE for ONE PRICE.

Now we will forever be charged more and more, by " what they say is  non-essential to complete the game".

And You WONDER why I call people that defend this for sheep?
The term "sheep" points to someone that just goes along with any change without questioning ANYTHING.
How is that not exactly spot-on?

I did not call YOU that, but if you feel that this is the case, ask yourself why you feel that 

agreed on all accounts except on the bethesda being fair bit example though since they really did a poor job at making a good ps3 version of the game when it comes to performance, aside from that your views are the same as mine.

[Goth Skunk]

Descedent wrote...

DDG3595 wrote...

Sounds like it's going to be very cool.  I can't wait to play it!  Thanks for this!

people like you are why we get charged $15 for 3 maps these days instead of free update or 30-40$ expansion packs.

gtfo

STFU.

[Robin001]

Bioware !!!

This is really disapointing, how a really good studio can transform to a pease of ****. I mean look at CD Projekt and Witcher 2. Look at Blizzard. These are studios with honesty and glamour. You became a shadow of what you were in past. Its sad, but its true. People curse on you and i dont blame them of doing that. You loose your fans eventually. You dont respect your fans and them will stop respect you !!! I studied economy and this is horrible marketing model.

So wake up Bioware. 

[Goth Skunk]

Robin001 wrote...

Bioware !!!

This is really disapointing, how a really good studio can transform to a pease of ****. I mean look at CD Projekt and Witcher 2. Look at Blizzard. These are studios with honesty and glamour. You became a shadow of what you were in past. Its sad, but its true. People curse on you and i dont blame them of doing that. You loose your fans eventually. You dont respect your fans and them will stop respect you !!! I studied economy and this is horrible marketing model.

So wake up Bioware. 

Someone silence this idiot.

[Draconis6666]

Farbautisonn wrote...


-We have been over this ad nauseam. If you want to cut the story down to its "essentials" like that then the only thing that matters is Shepard. You dont need the reapers. They play second fiddle to him. Wouldnt make a very interesting game, or story, but there it is.

This is the entire point exactly, the series is about sheppard and about whatever story bioware wants to tell involving him. If they decide that includes things about the Protheans then it does, if they decide it doesn then it doesnt. It is their story to tell and the only thing that is Essential to that story is what they decide is because its THEIR story not mine and not yours. Your claims that the Protheans Are ESSENTIAL to the entire series are no more accurate than mine that they are completely un essential to it at all. Neither of us determine what role the Protheans play and if we need to know about them or not.

Essentiality to your maximum enjoyment is not the same thing as essentiality to the game. Bioware could easily have decided to completely never mention the protheans in the entire course of the game in ME 3. outside codex entries, the same as they did in ME 2 and it would still be a perfectly fine game and still fit perfectly fine within the already defined universe as long as the story made sense around the fight between the living races and the reapers.

Reference to the protheans is not essential and it is not even required that their final fate or story be any further explained than it already is, because the game is not about what happend to the protheans its about what is HAPPENING now to the races who are not extinct. So no they are not Essential to ME 3 aside from their lore contributions which is not grounds for demanding anything and saying the game is not a "Full game" without them which is the core of the argument you are making.

[Descedent]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Descedent wrote...

DDG3595 wrote...

Sounds like it's going to be very cool.  I can't wait to play it!  Thanks for this!

people like you are why we get charged $15 for 3 maps these days instead of free update or 30-40$ expansion packs.

gtfo

STFU.

oh you again, you must spend alot of money on dlc.

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 01:59 .

[Hardwired]

Goth Skunk wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

extactly
I have trying the make resturant  anology

You and I go out to eat... we other  them thing.... you get dessert and I don't

Our meals comes out mine is undercooked and raw.  You your is cooked... Say we got  both got mashed potatoes on the side but  server put raw uncooked potato on my plate while you got nice flluffy, buttery , delicous mash.

I complain the manager and the manager says  "He  paid for dessert so he paid extra but  for 10 bucks more I can cook that  for ya." 

This is a TERRIBLE analogy!

The "From Ashes" Dlc IS the dessert!

Mass Effect 3 is the delicious, fully cooked meal!

Idiot.

While I disagree with Skunks general opinon on this discussion, I have to agree with him on this. That wasn't even close to an analogy.

But you didn't need to call him an idiot.

[obie191970]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

I'm afraid I do. There was no "surprise" effect for me, no "omg what" reaction, just a "seriously?" There was no need for the story to turn the Collectors into Protheans to make sense. After all, we learned in ME1 that Sovereign likely had other tools at its disposal. Saren and his geth, the Keepers, the Protheans who turned on their fellows, husks, etc. The Collectors could've simply been another race repurposed to suit the Reapers' needs and that would've been interesting too. Bringing back the Protheans in this fashion was unnecessary.

-Aha. So yet another generic alien race with chitcnious shells would have been the pinnacle of storytelling then. Right.

Casting the protheans in that role made sense, gave the story a twist, and elaborated on the fate of the protheans. Presto. Kinder egg.

Instead youd expect people to bond and empathze with a newly introduced race that got idoctrinated. Really?  Thats your idea of great storytelling? Thats your idea of getting the audience involved and feeling a bond? 

Tell me something. Have you ever played Pen and pager RPG's? Or read fantasy, or just fiction in general? 

Now you're just being rude. You argued that it was essential for the Collectors to have been Protheans and I believe I have explained that is not so. Whether it's a nice twist or not is a subjective matter. You also seem to think that the mere inclusion of the Protheans constitutes great storytelling. I disagree. It would have been intriguing to learn more about another race, especially one older than the Protheans themselves, that had been repurposed by the Reapers and thus gain new insight on the exact process of indoctrination while, at the same time, learn about this new/old civilization. Imagine if they were the ones who brought down the derelict Reaper in ME2? That would have been a nice twist.

As to your other questions, I have not played pen and paper RPGs. As to my reading habits, I read science fiction, fantasy, historical novels, fiction, biographies, books on science, pretty much everything.

Sorry but thats why it is good not everybody writes stories they would be rediculously bad.
Another race older than the protheans? :/ come on you can't be serious about that.
There must be an oldest and you can't go back and back and back in time with new spiecies dude!
protheans where 50.000 years ago what do you come up with next then? 100.000 the Marathans, they are even more advanced they do not use mass relay's and the reapers? =/

most people don't have the great vision of the writers of such epic stories and that is why it is good they just ignore most of the talk about story here.

What is more important is that DLC on launch is not fair. Discuss about that 

Dude, you need to brush up your lore.  You couldn't be more wrong.

[Syrellaris]

Gtacatalina wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

3) Controller support is of no importance on the pc. heck it should have been left out from the start.

I don't think 'Joan Moldovia' will be agreeing with you

http://social.biowar...-9305069-1.html

Point made, I take back what I said about controller support.

[realguile]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Descedent wrote...

DDG3595 wrote...

Sounds like it's going to be very cool.  I can't wait to play it!  Thanks for this!

people like you are why we get charged $15 for 3 maps these days instead of free update or 30-40$ expansion packs.

gtfo

STFU.

lol

[Draconis6666]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

You are trying to use logics against bioware defense force, its futile.
They will repeat the same argument how you are wrong with different words, instead of reppelling the new arguments throw in the table.

And 80 posts about how the DLC is essentia because its a Prothean and another 60 about how the content was removed completed specificaly for the purpose of selling is any different?

[Ap0c_NL]

obie191970 wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

do you reall think the writer came up with protheans in the first place and not show us what their fate was in the end? seriously? you need to open your eyes.

The protheans made the reapers and the reapers turned on the protheans eventually. seems more than obvious to me.

and to respond on your response: Yes ok build around, that's what i meant. but leaving that out means there is no story to tell. do you want to end a story and not knowning where the reapers came from at all?

The Protheans didn't create the Reapers.  The Protheans are just the last known civilization to be wiped out by the Reapers - All Prothean technololgy is based on Reaper tech - The Reapers have been around far longer the Protheans have.

but how do you sell the protheans get to build all these worlds mass relays and structures? by stealing form reapers? if they where just like all the civs in citadel space wouldn't they reapers have wiped them out long before that?

I personally think they reapers have betrayed the protheans and got them by suprise, clearly the protheans where much more advanced than any civ in the current timeline. And all the best tech in the galaxy is made by prothean design, why would there be another more advanced race? maybe God but for the rest it makes no sense..

[Goth Skunk]

Hardwired wrote...


While I disagree with Skunks general opinon on this discussion, I have to agree with him on this. That wasn't even close to an analogy.

But you didn't need to call him an idiot.

Anyone that thinks BioWare is cheating the customer by making "From Ashes" Day 1 DLC is an idiot.

Anyone that's ****ing and boycotting the release of the game over it is an idiot.

Anyone that buys the game but refuses to buy the DLC strictly on principle is a-okay in my books.

[Gibb_Shepard]

CrustyBot wrote...



You should be ashamed for such a post.

You first call BioWare a pack of liars, then lace the rest of your post with arrogant, self-entitled whining and at the end, you accuse the fans of being mindless sheep.

Tch.

There's nothing wrong with BioWare and nothing wrong with EA. While EA doesn't have the best track record, it's clear that both BioWare and EA are going full on with Mass Effect 3.

This DLC is proof. Despite your assertions of lies (backed up by nothing), the Prothean DLC is now available to everyone at a fair price, because BioWare cares about it's fans. Yes, it's $10, but it's not something that people should get for free. There's other stuff in the pack, too.

And even if you were right, so what?

Mass Effect 3 is the end of Shepard's tale and BioWare have honed their craft over the course of the series.

The culmination of the series will surely be the most majestic, thought provoking, accessible and blood pumping with a stellar cast, amazing storytelling and innovative features such as multiplayer.

So it's worth a little extra.

If you've come here to ruin everyone else's fun, I'd ask you to leave. We don't need negativity here.

I thought you were being serious for a very brief moment. lol.

Wait are you serious? Dammit i'm not sure. You just come to the ME forums to take the ****** right?

[StElmo]

Again, Bioware owe none of you anything. But they owe their brand and franchise some respect. Fact is, day one DLC devalues the brand and the product and sends the wrong message to consumers.

It's like getting a wiff of COD in the air. ergh.

[Takamori The Templar]

tldr version: everyone who disagree with me is a idiot.