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[Shadowrun1177]

Hammer6767 wrote...

"The lord tells me he can get me out of this mess (because I bought the CE edition) but, he is pretty sure you're f*cked!"

Couldn't help but chuckle about this thanks for the laugh needed that.

[Descedent]

stop flaming each other and get back on topic about how EAware is about milking the cash cow

[TK Dude]

Descedent wrote...

stop flaming each other and get back on topic about how EAware is about milking the cash cow

What are you talking about? It's lovely over here. /sarcasm

[Goth Skunk]

Descedent wrote...

stop flaming each other and get back on topic about how EAware is about milking the cash cow

Silence.

Get off your high horse.

[Robin001]

This is question of basic beliefs of my life. CD Projekt beliefs is different from EA beliefs. Bioware in the past was a really good studio, but now?? NO. Question is : Number of fans are increasing or no. In CDPR the answer is : SURE. In Bioware is answer : NO

[shaneho78]

I'm happy to report that, after 132 pages of logical, well reasoned and completely non-personal debate, the number of users who have been persuaded to change their original stance is ...*drumroll* ZERO.

Oh, just wait until the game is out for f**k's sake! Then we'll have actual ammunition for both sides.

[Goth Skunk]

Robin001 wrote...

This is question of basic beliefs of my life. CD Projekt beliefs is different from EA beliefs. Bioware in the past was a really good studio, but now?? NO. Question is : Number of fans are increasing or no. In CDPR the answer is : SURE. In Bioware is answer : NO

Silence.

[obie191970]

Ap0c_NL wrote...
Why? because you say so? And you believe it should go another directioN? 
That is my vision, what is wrong or right is not the point here because we have no part in the development of the storyline anyway.

I read all the books and i played ME1 and ME2 over and over again. I created my own vision on this story by doing so. This is what i hope it will finally be like. Whatever you hope it will be like is your thing but does not mean i am wrong. In my eyes this is the most logical explaination. The reapers made by Protheans. Remember this is human thinking that created this story after all. The fact that robots take over organic life is as old as the day we put mechanic beings in our fantasy books and movies.

It's not what I believe - It's what the writers have told us through the story.  You want to make up your own little Mass Effect Universe, more power to you.  But I'll put this clearly - You are wrong.  I'll stick to the lore and the facts given to me.

[mjharper]

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

[Takamori The Templar]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...


Oh yes already explained several times , answered with ner ner ner im listening to you , protheans not important , even if is the last of then ner ner ner.
Oh bioware charge w/e it want ( Show video and forum logs proving that the development of that character was made back in 2011) Receive a ner ner im not reading , listening or w/e.

Sorry, I enjoy arguments , when they have a progression, but you guys pidgeon hole with a simple not its not.

Becasuse its not the defending parties job to progress the argument its the accusing parties and they are the ones who are not significantly progressing the argument in most cases. I have given very clear responses to the claim that "anything released on realease day has to have been already completed and should be on the disc" with fairly detailed descriptions of why this is not so and how the production process actualy works. As have several other people only to 5 posts later have the exact same argument using almost the exact same words.  An argument cannot progress if the initial side ignores the counter and just continues the same argument or then ignores it and just tries to start a completey different unrelated argument.

Now you just wrote a pile of nothing.
Acusation made a statement, they need to prove that statement, its their duty, the showed the proofs.
Proofs are sustainable.
Yes its defense duty to prove that the proofs showed by the accusation is wrong now.
So don't come with this cheap bs on me please

Using the basics of a process.

[nitefyre410]

Descedent wrote...

stop flaming each other and get back on topic about how EAware is about milking the cash cow

 

after hundreds of pages people are running out of points to make... and flames are the result..

Rule: When all easy fails kill it with fire.  

Unfortunately I happen to rather flame resisent  and I brought  hot dogs and hamburgers... flame wars make for the best  BBQ's

Modifié par nitefyre410, 23 février 2012 - 02:19 .

[Goth Skunk]

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

Nothing satisfies the greasy haired, mouth breathing, grubby fingered, basement dwelling, self-entitled batch of gamers except exactly what they want.

[nightcobra]

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.

[TK Dude]

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

I'd say the latter will most likely happen. 

[Blarty]

finc.loki wrote...

Bethesda worked on Skyrim up until launch, just a few months before relase they said they have 120 dungeons, a little closer to release they announced they now had close to 150.
Did they just "take it out" and charge us for it? NO!
Did they take out the "stormcloak rebellion" and make it DLC exclusive, NO!
Did they come out with a MOD KIT for FREE, YES...

See THAT is how you "REWARD" fans, and treat paying customers.

Rewarded - With a broken PS3 version that they released knowing full well it had issues and was broken, but they thought 'only a few people' will run into this. ACCEPTABLE

Rewarded - with numerous sidequests that you can't complete if you find an item 'before' starting the quest. MORE OF THIS PLEASE

Rewarded - with patches that break basic part of the experience. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND GENEROSITY OF PATCHES



Yes, I wondered how long the whole 'Skyrim is great, please emulate that' argument would take to come out.....
... but yes I concur, EA should be more like Bethesda and if I cannot see a Reaper flying backwards then I will cancel my pre-order.

[Farbautisonn]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Jahannam wrote...


What did I do that isnt acting my age? I said Im not angry im dissapointed in the direction bioware went with this. I for 10$ am not getting a full CE and thats fine.

Running around in a forum and acting like anyone you respond to as a 12 year old...yeah your a ..Im am going there. Moron is what you are. Now shut up you trolish idiot.

BSN ****** Rule No.321:

"When you have no actual counter-argument and are seriously outclassed, call him a troll, and make the attack personal. That works every time."

-Oh the irony...

[Draconis6666]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

Compared to you that tries to scrap the whole ME story  and alter it just to try to make their opinion to make sense for how many posts  ?
Someone saying that protheans are not essential to the ME universe when we talk about something that got great plot/story/lore significance.
You're trying to turn ME story into a bad written one by throwing random assumptions with IF, and what  bioware could/should do just to try to support your ridiculous statement.
You're ignoring tons of aspects of the game  and balantly try to push your opinion with any basis.
There would be no shepard or any other shepard if Protheans didnt do what they did.

No im trying to show you that the protheans are not the central point of the entire series that without them the entire series doesnt make any sense at all and could never exist in any form even remotely close to it. Which is what people are claiming. I have said repeatedly that they are important to the lore and story of the universe and have significance. I have disputed that they are ESSENTIAL to Plot of the second or third games because the PLOT does not require the lore to progress and Lore simpily builds upon it. People who know nothing of the lore can understand the plot perfectly well if they start with ME 2 and never bother to read the codex.

People's individual opionins that the Protheans are super important is their opinion and one they are entitled to. If the protheans are what makes the story interesting for them then they are Essential to that person's enjoyment for sure. That does not make them PLOT ESSENTIAL by their very existance, which is the argument that the simple fact that the prothean exists and is a prothean means he MUST be Important because people have built the protheans up to be more important to the series than the Reapers or for some people even more important than Shepard.

Protheans are important to the game in its current form yes, they are NOT ESSENTIAL TO THE PLOT, they are lore and backstory that some people will find interesting. The game does not suddenly not function or make no sense because the protheans are not a massive super important plot point you want htem to be if the game is written so that they arent. And including a prothean squad member into the plot that is written so that he is not important does not deprive you of anything  because the plot would be the same if he never existed at all.

[Ap0c_NL]

Dude, the Reapers built the Mass Relays.  The Reapers built the Citadel.  Prothean technology is Reaper Technology.  The Reapers have been wiping out space faring civilizations long before the Protheans even existed.  The Protheans are merely the latest in a long line of Reaper extinction campaigns.

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

If you have another fantasy please give me some story (but not like: dude you couldn't be more wrong).  

Find a better explaination for all this that makes sense in your eyes and i will gladly read it.

[Daywalker315]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

MOST REDICULOUS DLC i will never buy and in fact debating wether i cancel my pre-order or not. As you can see i am a fan of the first hour of Bioware games but ever since they joined EA they got this wolves tactic to get as much money they can possibly get by scamming all their fatefull customers. This should have been in the game and this can even be sue'd! You sell a game and already take out an important piece and say costumers have to buy that seperately in order to give them the full experience. Then this lame excuse the game was already done, we can really investigate this and it will show that you just been lying lying to us. This was done on purpose. I will NEVER buy this DLC even when i would have the game. INSTEAD you could indeed fix the cotroller part for PC users (what i am as i shoved my 360 aside), You said you been working so hard that the DLC was done before launch? Seriously making a 360 controller work for PC is so easy i can do it for you guys in 1 day. So that is total bull! I have done this already for XBLA game i made and you can't seriously think you can fool everyone of your costumers.

you want to crawl up their asses now?

Are you totally blind and ignorant?

They take out an important part of the story and sell it to you seperately! you think that is normal because CE users get is as  "BONUS " ??? that is the whole thing!! that's a SCAM!

You don't have any evidence to prove it's an important part of the story. It's a 628MB download. The guy will be a squad mate to help you blow crap up and will give you a chance to have what sounds like a pretty sweet mission on Eden Prime. Also new squad appearance pack and a new weapon. 628MB (a lot of which is probably the Eden Prime mission) will not completely change the narrative of the main story. Sorry. Try again.

[finc.loki]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

Really?

Did you play ME1? The Protheans are ABSOLUTELY essential to the whole story.
Ask Bioware themselves.
It is all about Shepard getting the message from the prothean becon, the rest of the game is hunting that down and deciphering the message.
To at the last act on ilos get the information about all of it, Reapers, how they get through.
How the PROTHEAN PREVENTED THEM FROM ATTACKING US BY CHAINGING THE ACTIVATION SIGNAL OF THE KEEPERS.

You'd be a complete fool to think Protheans has no bearing in ME lore and story.
I can't even believe you'd say something like that, it makes NO sense.
And these are the people that defend Bioware? By downplaying their WHOLE WORK.
Please tell the writers and all the developers that all their previous work and the whole lore they created means NOTHING and can be interchanged with humpty dumpty.

If I face palmed as hard that is needed for your comment by brains would blow out the back of my head.

[Ap0c_NL]

You don't have any evidence to prove it's an important part of the story. It's a 628MB download. The guy will be a squad mate to help you blow crap up and will give you a chance to have what sounds like a pretty sweet mission on Eden Prime. Also new squad appearance pack and a new weapon. 628MB (a lot of which is probably the Eden Prime mission) will not completely change the narrative of the main story. Sorry. Try again.

ok.

[Takamori The Templar]

Draconis6666 wrote...


Protheans are important to the game in its current form yes, they are NOT ESSENTIAL TO THE PLOT, they are lore and backstory that some people will find interesting. The game does not suddenly not function or make no sense because the protheans are not a massive super important plot point you want htem to be if the game is written so that they arent. And including a prothean squad member into the plot that is written so that he is not important does not deprive you of anything  because the plot would be the same if he never existed at all.

Contradiction much?
Oh they are important of course but not essential, they just made the main character find out the mess.

[Draconis6666]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Now you just wrote a pile of nothing.
Acusation made a statement, they need to prove that statement, its their duty, the showed the proofs.
Proofs are sustainable.
Yes its defense duty to prove that the proofs showed by the accusation is wrong now.
So don't come with this cheap bs on me please

Using the basics of a process.

Exactly they provided their proof which was "Its available with the game at release so was finished and should have gone on disc"

We replied with our proof about how game production works and how that is not guaranteed to be the case, 

They replied by repeating the original argument without providing anything new 

[mjharper]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.

By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)

[Ap0c_NL]

finc.loki wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...
To people who never played the first game thats exactly what the reaction is though "oh ok so they were those other aliens now they are these aliens"  Their importance is subjective to your following of the series and its a folowing not everyone has or is even ABLE to experience.

-are the protheans essential to the ME setting? Yes or no? 

Nope could totaly not exist at all with slight rewriting and leave the plot of the series unchanged.

Really?

Did you play ME1? The Protheans are ABSOLUTELY essential to the whole story.
Ask Bioware themselves.
It is all about Shepard getting the message from the prothean becon, the rest of the game is hunting that down and deciphering the message.
To at the last act on ilos get the information about all of it, Reapers, how they get through.
How the PROTHEAN PREVENTED THEM FROM ATTACKING US BY CHAINGING THE ACTIVATION SIGNAL OF THE KEEPERS.

You'd be a complete fool to think Protheans has no bearing in ME lore and story.
I can't even believe you'd say something like that, it makes NO sense.
And these are the people that defend Bioware? By downplaying their WHOLE WORK.
Please tell the writers and all the developers that all their previous work and the whole lore they created means NOTHING and can be interchanged with humpty dumpty.

If I face palmed as hard that is needed for your comment by brains would blow out the back of my head.

+1  the protheans are so essential to the story that if you think otherwise you really have been playing ME with a 5 inch iron plate in front of your face.