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[Takamori The Templar]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Now you just wrote a pile of nothing.
Acusation made a statement, they need to prove that statement, its their duty, the showed the proofs.
Proofs are sustainable.
Yes its defense duty to prove that the proofs showed by the accusation is wrong now.
So don't come with this cheap bs on me please

Using the basics of a process.

Exactly they provided their proof which was "Its available with the game at release so was finished and should have gone on disc"

We replied with our proof about how game production works and how that is not guaranteed to be the case, 

They replied by repeating the original argument without providing anything new 

The tons of leaks over the internet?
The prothean video?
The CE announcement...?

You expect that we get a internal mail with Bioware saying: **** the customers  !
So you finally see that makes no sense this dlc ?

[JimmyTheProthean]

Great the one Squadmate i've been hoping would be in ME for years and now i have to back 10 euro for him.I don't have that kind of money it took me 3 weeks wages to spare the 60 euro to buy the game now i have to flesh out another 10 to get something that should be in the game that guy ''critical brit'' is very right indeed normal folks should not have to pay for something like this that should be part of the main game. Bioware and Ea should know normal hardworking people cannot afford to spew out money like this.

[Daywalker315]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Dude, the Reapers built the Mass Relays.  The Reapers built the Citadel.  Prothean technology is Reaper Technology.  The Reapers have been wiping out space faring civilizations long before the Protheans even existed.  The Protheans are merely the latest in a long line of Reaper extinction campaigns.

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

If you have another fantasy please give me some story (but not like: dude you couldn't be more wrong).  

Find a better explaination for all this that makes sense in your eyes and i will gladly read it.

Please go to the Mass Effect Wikia and read the lore and timeline. Are you kidding me with this? Protheans built the Reapers and could have wiped them out? Really? It's pretty well-established that this isn't the case. And no, the Citadel was not built by the Protheans. It is believed as such by many of the characters and people within the ME universe but it's established that it wasn't in fact built by them in reality.

Seriously though, spend an hour on the Mass Effect Wikia page reading the timeline and other codex stuff. You'll be so much more prepared for ME3 and have a better grasp of the lore and history. I have played both games several times and I still found tons of new info in it.

[Robin001]

Perfect example is Mass Effect official game guide. It has the same front cover as Collectors edition. But it is not within it. This is really sad how some people (Goth Shunk), and some studios (Bioware) are so ignorant.

People who buy CE want all content of the game, because they are the fans.But no? They put in CE some crappy in game guns, some useless armors and the dog. I mean WTF?? Dont they look at it in bigger perspective. Fans patience isnt limitless.

Wake UP

[Shadowrun1177]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Dude, the Reapers built the Mass Relays.  The Reapers built the Citadel.  Prothean technology is Reaper Technology.  The Reapers have been wiping out space faring civilizations long before the Protheans even existed.  The Protheans are merely the latest in a long line of Reaper extinction campaigns.

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

If you have another fantasy please give me some story (but not like: dude you couldn't be more wrong).  

Find a better explaination for all this that makes sense in your eyes and i will gladly read it.

Here: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper they predate the Protheans go replay ME1 and ME2 also just to get your facts straight.

[Farbautisonn]

1) Explain the history of the americas, not mentioning ships.

2) Explain the cold war, not mentioning Europe.

3) Explain art without mentioning Italy.

4) Explain political science without mentioning France.

5) Explain the history of the US not mentioning Britain... or France.

6) Explain the history of the US not mentioning Native Americans.

7) Explain the history of philosophy without mentioning germany.

8) Explain the history of theology without mentioning Israel.

-ad nauseam...

[obie191970]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Dude, the Reapers built the Mass Relays.  The Reapers built the Citadel.  Prothean technology is Reaper Technology.  The Reapers have been wiping out space faring civilizations long before the Protheans even existed.  The Protheans are merely the latest in a long line of Reaper extinction campaigns.

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

If you have another fantasy please give me some story (but not like: dude you couldn't be more wrong).  

Find a better explaination for all this that makes sense in your eyes and i will gladly read it.

All I can say is "WOW."  You need to spend some time on the wiki my friend.
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Reapers

Modifié par obie191970, 23 février 2012 - 02:26 .

[NPBAbyssal]

 Fantastic, cant wait! 

[Wydi]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Silence.

Yeah, sure, just keep on yelling that at everyone who doesn't share your opinion.
That's how discussion works...

..in a monastery.

Just don't forget to pray to your untouchable Bioware God.

[Goth Skunk]

Robin001 wrote...

Perfect example is Mass Effect official game guide. It has the same front cover as Collectors edition. But it is not within it. This is really sad how some people (Goth Shunk), and some studios (Bioware) are so ignorant.

People who buy CE want all content of the game, because they are the fans.But no? They put in CE some crappy in game guns, some useless armors and the dog. I mean WTF?? Dont they look at it in bigger perspective. Fans patience isnt limitless.

Wake UP

Ignorant?I was smarter at 5 years of age than you are right now.

[Takamori The Templar]

Well CE were always filled with vanity ,cosmetical and a little boost for the game.
Not with gameplay and essential lore .

This is some real bull****.
Charging 59.99 for it

[nightcobra]

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.

By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)

get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  

[Daywalker315]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Now you just wrote a pile of nothing.
Acusation made a statement, they need to prove that statement, its their duty, the showed the proofs.
Proofs are sustainable.
Yes its defense duty to prove that the proofs showed by the accusation is wrong now.
So don't come with this cheap bs on me please

Using the basics of a process.

Exactly they provided their proof which was "Its available with the game at release so was finished and should have gone on disc"

We replied with our proof about how game production works and how that is not guaranteed to be the case, 

They replied by repeating the original argument without providing anything new 

The tons of leaks over the internet?
The prothean video?
The CE announcement...?

You expect that we get a internal mail with Bioware saying: **** the customers  !
So you finally see that makes no sense this dlc ?

Having some VO work done and announcing that it would be CE DLC doesn't mean the actual content was completely finished by the time the game went to certification. It sure sounds like they spent a lot of time finishing and polishing it after that, in fact. Not to mention, I bet it wouldn't even fit on the discs for Xbox anyway. Those things have to be crammed full with SP and MP. If it's CE day 1 DLC bonus, SE owners should have to pay to get it. Simple as that.

[JimmyTheProthean]

EA is the pimp with the cain and bioware is the prositute forced to sell herself to bring the money pouring back to the pimp.

[Ap0c_NL]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Dude, the Reapers built the Mass Relays.  The Reapers built the Citadel.  Prothean technology is Reaper Technology.  The Reapers have been wiping out space faring civilizations long before the Protheans even existed.  The Protheans are merely the latest in a long line of Reaper extinction campaigns.

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

If you have another fantasy please give me some story (but not like: dude you couldn't be more wrong).  

Find a better explaination for all this that makes sense in your eyes and i will gladly read it.

Please go to the Mass Effect Wikia and read the lore and timeline. Are you kidding me with this? Protheans built the Reapers and could have wiped them out? Really? It's pretty well-established that this isn't the case. And no, the Citadel was not built by the Protheans. It is believed as such by many of the characters and people within the ME universe but it's established that it wasn't in fact built by them in reality.

Seriously though, spend an hour on the Mass Effect Wikia page reading the timeline and other codex stuff. You'll be so much more prepared for ME3 and have a better grasp of the lore and history. I have played both games several times and I still found tons of new info in it.

i have played them, trust me
I have 1000 GS for part one and 760 for part 2 on 360 so i have played them multiple times.
I have read all 3 books out at this time, i have read the novel as well.
All is prothean design as that is what all these things have told me. I am not reading a wiki where one can write down whatever he wants. Just becasue it is on a wiki doesn't mean it is the truth.
I believe what my mind made up out of these things not what one stuborn dude on a forum tells me.

[Syrellaris]

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that

[Takamori The Templar]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Now you just wrote a pile of nothing.
Acusation made a statement, they need to prove that statement, its their duty, the showed the proofs.
Proofs are sustainable.
Yes its defense duty to prove that the proofs showed by the accusation is wrong now.
So don't come with this cheap bs on me please

Using the basics of a process.

Exactly they provided their proof which was "Its available with the game at release so was finished and should have gone on disc"

We replied with our proof about how game production works and how that is not guaranteed to be the case, 

They replied by repeating the original argument without providing anything new 

The tons of leaks over the internet?
The prothean video?
The CE announcement...?

You expect that we get a internal mail with Bioware saying: **** the customers  !
So you finally see that makes no sense this dlc ?

Having some VO work done and announcing that it would be CE DLC doesn't mean the actual content was completely finished by the time the game went to certification. It sure sounds like they spent a lot of time finishing and polishing it after that, in fact. Not to mention, I bet it wouldn't even fit on the discs for Xbox anyway. Those things have to be crammed full with SP and MP. If it's CE day 1 DLC bonus, SE owners should have to pay to get it. Simple as that.

Nah you know what?
Wait for the game of the year edition release, get all the damn dlcs and the game for 59.99
Pre-ordering is for retards, got the message.
Enjoy [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Takamori The Templar, 23 février 2012 - 02:30 .

[Draconis6666]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...


Protheans are important to the game in its current form yes, they are NOT ESSENTIAL TO THE PLOT, they are lore and backstory that some people will find interesting. The game does not suddenly not function or make no sense because the protheans are not a massive super important plot point you want htem to be if the game is written so that they arent. And including a prothean squad member into the plot that is written so that he is not important does not deprive you of anything  because the plot would be the same if he never existed at all.

Contradiction much?
Oh they are important of course but not essential, they just made the main character find out the mess.

IN ME 1 this is not ME 1 this is ME 3 the plot of ME 3 does not invlove ME 1 directly and you do not have to have played ME 1 to for it to make sense. If you played ME 3 and had never played ME 1 and nothing made sense your argument that they are essential because of something they did in ME 1 would be valid. Their essentiality is subjective to each person, lore and backstory are not plot. They reinforce plot, to some people this is important to others its only interesting and to others its completely un-needed. Unless without something the story that is actualy actively being told in the game does not make sense then it is not essential for it to be mentioned or included. 

Yes as the universe currenty exists it is essential that the Protheans exist. it is not essential that they in any way be related to anything that actualy happnens in the plot of ME 3 simply because they exist. They can simply exist and never be mentioned and the game will be make perfect sense if it is written that way. If a prothean is later added to the game who explains things about what happened to the protheans, that is extra content expanding upon backstory that you may or may not find important based on your tastes and your experience with the series as a whole.

That does not mean the game that you played before he existed is somehow incomplete simply because he now exists, yet this is the argument people are claiming they are claiming that the very fact that he is a Prothean makes him essential regardless of if the plot even mentions them at all.

[Daywalker315]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.

By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)

get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  

Who are you to decide what SHOULD be in collector's editions? What award-winning games have you made? Are you secretly Peter Molyneaux? Stop acting so self-righteous. It's their game and they can put whatever they want in their collector's editions.

[Catsith]

Realistically, how much sales can they get from this DLC in first week? I mean if 100k people buy it, they'd make over half a million right there.. which is nice, but is that worth all of this uproar, or is this all just internet noise at this point? I remember hearing that Warden's Keep, the day one dlc for DA:O had around 100k... so maybe they just don't care and want the immediate sales. If they go through with this, and it doesn't look like they are going to back down, I will really want to know how the sales were for this piece of DLC.

[Errationatus]

Jahannam wrote...

Dude all I did in my OP was say that I was dissapointed in this decision by bioware.

  

In your initial post in response to my first post in this thread you called me "rocket scientist".  How should I have construed that?  Playful banter.  Teasing?  Gentle ribbing?

Yeah, right.

I give what I get.

  
That was it and all....you went on calling me a 12 year old ect...I mean really my post didnt even warrent a response. And here you go again. You are not reasonable otherwise you would have ignored my OP

You are not a victim here, so give it a pass.  If you disagree with anything I say, that's fine. No one says you can't.  I'm being perfectly reasonable.  That I'm not genteely polite?  Well, no d'uh.  No one pays attention to that on BSN in open forum.  An reasonable argument consists of a rebuttal of content.  An ignorant fight consists of slagging the person.  I attacked the arguments (if they can be called that) made on this thread.  I singled out no one, you included, until you decided to go that route.

If you have an actual cogent rebuttal to my OP, then by all means, present it.

[JimmyTheProthean]

Syrellaris wrote...

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that

I'm a true fan but me and many others can't afford big fancy collector editions like i said earlier i had to save up 3 week wages just to get the 60 for ME3!

[Ap0c_NL]

obie191970 wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Dude, the Reapers built the Mass Relays.  The Reapers built the Citadel.  Prothean technology is Reaper Technology.  The Reapers have been wiping out space faring civilizations long before the Protheans even existed.  The Protheans are merely the latest in a long line of Reaper extinction campaigns.

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

If you have another fantasy please give me some story (but not like: dude you couldn't be more wrong).  

Find a better explaination for all this that makes sense in your eyes and i will gladly read it.

All I can say is "WOW."  You need to spend some time on the wiki my friend.
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Reapers

you know what?  let me check real quick.

[Gruzmog]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I can see were you guys are coming from to some extent and I will withhold judgement untill I have seen the final game. If we will see protheans anyway with sufficient story elements as to why they are there in the normal game then yes this squadmember is just a bonus with a nice bit of extra story. However if we don't see any live protheans at all besides this demo I really do think you have cut out an essential part of the game that should be avaideble for everyone with a new copy of the game. (Like the way ME2 handled things) In that case I will be disapointed to the extreme in bioware and this will be my first and last pre-order ever. (No drama intended there :innocent:)

Edit: With origin requirements as they are even if this was developped after the game has gone gold this kind of stuff can easily be downloaded. So unless it really is not an integral part of the story it should be included.

Modifié par Gruzmog, 23 février 2012 - 02:36 .

[Goth Skunk]

Wydi wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Silence.

Yeah, sure, just keep on yelling that at everyone who doesn't share your opinion.
That's how discussion works...

..in a monastery.

Just don't forget to pray to your untouchable Bioware God.

This isn't discussion.

This is a vocal group of a minority of gamers ****ing about non-essential content they want to have for free.

This same vocal group of a minority of gamers is trying to paint BioWare/EA as some kind of game developer anti-christ and refuse to accept any explanation that does not suit their demands.

The only way to counteract this kind of idiot is to stand up and show support for BioWare and the Day 1 DLC decision, and show BioWare that I'm not opposed to paying a little extra to expand the experience.

The aforementioned losers will point and attack me, but that's fine. I can take it. I will gladly take it. If that's what it takes to convey the message that these losers are a minority and do not convey the opinions of the gaming community as a whole, then I have no choice but to stand up and support Bioware.

These guys are carrying on like Canadian Occupy protestors: They believe themselves carrying a torch for the people. A torch nobody asked them to carry.