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JimmyTheProthean

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Syrellaris wrote...

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that


What about the true fans like me who can't afford big fancy collectors edition like i said a few posts up i had to save up 3 weeks to get the 60 euro needed to buy me3. My country is in a recession i have 2 young sons i have to pay my ex girlfriend 250 child support and i get about 300 to feed myself and pay the bills a lot more people like me are true me fans but we can't afford these dlc that should be in the game.

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Daywalker315 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?


if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.



By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)


get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  


Who are you to decide what SHOULD be in collector's editions? What award-winning games have you made? Are you secretly Peter Molyneaux? Stop acting so self-righteous. It's their game and they can put whatever they want in their collector's editions.


good counter-argument there, maybe i should put it IMO as i always have done in the past (but i'll think i'll pass on that as i just tired of it).

anyways, if they've done it successfully with the previous game then why not do it again rather than limiting it to people who pre-ordered the limited copies. 

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Syrellaris wrote...

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that


There's also the argument that a Prothean squad mate should have been a bigger deal and more plot essential, or it shouldn't have been done at all. I somewhat agree with that BUT that's not the way it is. It's non-essential DLC and it still sounds awesome to me (Eden Prime, hell yeah).

I'm a defender til I die on this one as it stands though. I bought the CE in large part due to the promise of bonus DLC character and mission. SE owners should have to pay for something we paid extra to get as a part of our package. Bottom line.

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Look if you don't like the situation, don't buy it. If enough of you don't buy bioware might get the hint and offer it for free. Frankly I got the CE so I could care less.

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?


if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.



By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)


get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  

Sorry, I wasn't talking about some hypothetical world in which things are not as they are. I meant right now, here, given the content of the CE (Digital Deluxe) and the content of SE.

If you could pay the difference in price between the two and upgrade, would that stop people complaining?

Because clearly, SE owners can't expect to get the same content as CE owners, only for less money.

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Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*


I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.


Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? :huh:

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Wherever the heretic geth become entrenched they build monuments to the Reapers resembling Sovereign's "tentacles" around a glowing orb, and genuflect. Sovereign was apparently insulted by the adoration of such simple, base synthetics, but it did see their value as pawns and possible replacements for the flawed and organic keepers.

this comes from the first piece on wiki story about sovereign. In the book they said they have no conciousness. =/ what not right about this picture? So you see, i trust on the WRITERS of the books and the mass effect story not on some forum dude that fills in some info about a story he didn't come up with in the first place.

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Farbautisonn wrote...

-Oh the irony...


i·ro·ny   [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]noun, plural -nies.
1.the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.

2.Literature .a. a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.

b.(especially in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., especially as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3.an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.

Just to help you familiarize yourself with what it actually means.


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Daywalker315 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that


There's also the argument that a Prothean squad mate should have been a bigger deal and more plot essential, or it shouldn't have been done at all. I somewhat agree with that BUT that's not the way it is. It's non-essential DLC and it still sounds awesome to me (Eden Prime, hell yeah).

I'm a defender til I die on this one as it stands though. I bought the CE in large part due to the promise of bonus DLC character and mission. SE owners should have to pay for something we paid extra to get as a part of our package. Bottom line.


Its a bloody collectors edition, you paid because you're a flamboyant fan, its not the "nobility edition" and we are not paying for the "peasant edition" this is the most idiotic argument used so far.

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mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?


if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.



By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)


get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  

Sorry, I wasn't talking about some hypothetical world in which things are not as they are. I meant right now, here, given the content of the CE (Digital Deluxe) and the content of SE.

If you could pay the difference in price between the two and upgrade, would that stop people complaining?

Because clearly, SE owners can't expect to get the same content as CE owners, only for less money.


that's how it worked with shale, shale was also part of the CE edition.

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So buying the DLC comes with outfits that don't come with it if you get it through the CE edition?Posted Image

Someone clear this up please? I need to know if I need to buy the same DLC twice for all the content. (Something I'm willing to do.)

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Daywalker315 wrote...

There's also the argument that a Prothean squad mate should have been a bigger deal and more plot essential, or it shouldn't have been done at all. I somewhat agree with that BUT that's not the way it is. It's non-essential DLC and it still sounds awesome to me (Eden Prime, hell yeah).

I'm a defender til I die on this one as it stands though. I bought the CE in large part due to the promise of bonus DLC character and mission. SE owners should have to pay for something we paid extra to get as a part of our package. Bottom line.


Exactly, if they gave this DLC away for gratis then the forum would erupt with legitimate complaints from CE owners, who had to pay extra for the content.

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Goth Skunk wrote...

Robin001 wrote...

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you should stop acting like a child dude. seriously. o wait.. you are.

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Robin001 wrote...

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Spamming won't help. 

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nightcobra8928 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?


if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.



By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)


get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  


Who are you to decide what SHOULD be in collector's editions? What award-winning games have you made? Are you secretly Peter Molyneaux? Stop acting so self-righteous. It's their game and they can put whatever they want in their collector's editions.


good counter-argument there, maybe i should put it IMO as i always have done in the past (but i'll think i'll pass on that as i just tired of it).

anyways, if they've done it successfully with the previous game then why not do it again rather than limiting it to people who pre-ordered the limited copies. 


Yes, IMO would have made that better. Haha. Was this handled with the most tact? No. It was always going to alienate people, especially the ones who love to jump on a forum and yell about feeling wronged about one thing after another. But everyone had an equal opportunity to pre-order the CE when they started mentioning 9 months ago that it would have a bonus character and mission for Day 1 DLC. The leak even said it was a Prothean all the way back then. They denied it and took it down but anyone with a brain knew that was the plan all along. It's not as if they just added this to CE and $10 for SE owners DLC this week. It's always been planned as free for CE. You don't have to agree with it but that's how they chose to do it, which is perfectly within their rights.

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Wow 135 pages.

Isn't CE DLC always on sale the day of for regular games? I get that it's a PRothean, that yes this is a big thing, but regardless isn't CE DLC always made day 1 extra for SE?

IT just seems like a normal business practice regardless of DLC importance.

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Goth Skunk wrote...

Wydi wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Silence.

Yeah, sure, just keep on yelling that at everyone who doesn't share your opinion.
That's how discussion works...

..in a monastery.

Just don't forget to pray to your untouchable Bioware God.


This isn't discussion.

This is a vocal group of a minority of gamers ****ing about non-essential content they want to have for free.

This same vocal group of a minority of gamers is trying to paint BioWare/EA as some kind of game developer anti-christ and refuse to accept any explanation that does not suit their demands.

The only way to counteract this kind of idiot is to stand up and show support for BioWare and the Day 1 DLC decision, and show BioWare that I'm not opposed to paying a little extra to expand the experience.

The aforementioned losers will point and attack me, but that's fine. I can take it. I will gladly take it. If that's what it takes to convey the message that these losers are a minority and do not convey the opinions of the gaming community as a whole, then I have no choice but to stand up and support Bioware.

These guys are carrying on like Canadian Occupy protestors: They believe themselves carrying a torch for the people. A torch nobody asked them to carry.


Lose the aggressive attitude and just voice you're opinion. This way its hard to take it serieusly and not as a piece of flame bait. Calling everybody that does not agree with you losers won't help much

Edit: I will get the prothean btw since I ordered the digital deluxe edition, but that doesn't make it right if there are no protheans in the main game.

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Ap0c_NL wrote...

Wherever the heretic geth become entrenched they build monuments to the Reapers resembling Sovereign's "tentacles" around a glowing orb, and genuflect. Sovereign was apparently insulted by the adoration of such simple, base synthetics, but it did see their value as pawns and possible replacements for the flawed and organic keepers.

this comes from the first piece on wiki story about sovereign. In the book they said they have no conciousness. =/ what not right about this picture? So you see, i trust on the WRITERS of the books and the mass effect story not on some forum dude that fills in some info about a story he didn't come up with in the first place.


Yet you apparently dont trust the writers of the game since you have ignored the actual dialogue inside the game from sources like vigil a PROTHEAN VI that discount your entire lore fantasy world. Or Liara when she flat out says the Protheans were not the first civilization wiped out in a galactic extinction

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JimmyTheProthean wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that


What about the true fans like me who can't afford big fancy collectors edition like i said a few posts up i had to save up 3 weeks to get the 60 euro needed to buy me3. My country is in a recession i have 2 young sons i have to pay my ex girlfriend 250 child support and i get about 300 to feed myself and pay the bills a lot more people like me are true me fans but we can't afford these dlc that should be in the game.



you are not entitled to it just because x person can afford extra $20 and you can't....and btw the whole global economy is in the ****ter, so your reasoning is flawed. If you couldn't save up extra 20$ from time me2 released and me3, then I have no idea what to tell you.  

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JakeMacDon wrote...

Jahannam wrote...

Dude all I did in my OP was say that I was dissapointed in this decision by bioware.

  

In your initial post in response to my first post in this thread you called me "rocket scientist".  How should I have construed that?  Playful banter.  Teasing?  Gentle ribbing?

Yeah, right.

I give what I get.

  
That was it and all....you went on calling me a 12 year old ect...I mean really my post didnt even warrent a response. And here you go again. You are not reasonable otherwise you would have ignored my OP


You are not a victim here, so give it a pass.  If you disagree with anything I say, that's fine. No one says you can't.  I'm being perfectly reasonable.  That I'm not genteely polite?  Well, no d'uh.  No one pays attention to that on BSN in open forum.  An reasonable argument consists of a rebuttal of content.  An ignorant fight consists of slagging the person.  I attacked the arguments (if they can be called that) made on this thread.  I singled out no one, you included, until you decided to go that route.

If you have an actual cogent rebuttal to my OP, then by all means, present it.




Flaming me for 10 pages...get over it. really My OP stands Im not angry Im dissapointed in the way bioware has handled it.. Enough said.

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Draconis6666 wrote...

LivingHitokiri wrote...

Compared to you that tries to scrap the whole ME story  and alter it just to try to make their opinion to make sense for how many posts  ?
Someone saying that protheans are not essential to the ME universe when we talk about something that got great plot/story/lore significance.
You're trying to turn ME story into a bad written one by throwing random assumptions with IF, and what  bioware could/should do just to try to support your ridiculous statement.
You're ignoring tons of aspects of the game  and balantly try to push your opinion with any basis.
There would be no shepard or any other shepard if Protheans didnt do what they did.


No im trying to show you that the protheans are not the central point of the entire series that without them the entire series doesnt make any sense at all and could never exist in any form even remotely close to it. Which is what people are claiming. I have said repeatedly that they are important to the lore and story of the universe and have significance. I have disputed that they are ESSENTIAL to Plot of the second or third games because the PLOT does not require the lore to progress and Lore simpily builds upon it. People who know nothing of the lore can understand the plot perfectly well if they start with ME 2 and never bother to read the codex.

People's individual opionins that the Protheans are super important is their opinion and one they are entitled to. If the protheans are what makes the story interesting for them then they are Essential to that person's enjoyment for sure. That does not make them PLOT ESSENTIAL by their very existance, which is the argument that the simple fact that the prothean exists and is a prothean means he MUST be Important because people have built the protheans up to be more important to the series than the Reapers or for some people even more important than Shepard.

Protheans are important to the game in its current form yes, they are NOT ESSENTIAL TO THE PLOT, they are lore and backstory that some people will find interesting. The game does not suddenly not function or make no sense because the protheans are not a massive super important plot point you want htem to be if the game is written so that they arent. And including a prothean squad member into the plot that is written so that he is not important does not deprive you of anything  because the plot would be the same if he never existed at all.

Plot and lore are what makes the story of a game, they go together, trying to separate them especially in well written RPG universe like Mass Effect would result into totally bad written one.
Protheans are not essencial just because they existed/exist as race,they are essencial because they are the root of Mass Effect story and it develops around them. They are essencial because they are the first to break the circle that reapper could followed for how long we know.They are essencial because they are the reason the whole galaxy has a chance to stand again reappers . Shepard could be easilly taken as nothing more as narrator to the whole trilogy,does that make him less important, of course not,both him,protheans,reapers are a CHAIN that was build to keep the ME story strong and good.Trying to sepparate them is totally wrong,you simply cannot because the game would be total different.
You cannot show anything otherwise simply because thats how the story is told,both ME 1 and 2 got protheans,reapers and shepard as the main focus,because we play from Shepards prospective in the story it doesnt neglect the importance of  other two.
By simply adding  a Prothean to ME 3 and turn into non significant part of the story will ruin everything the story so far build and told us,all for the sake of 10 dolars,by ruinning an important aspect of the game into fodder( if it doesnt play any role in ME 3) if it does then EA simply proves they choose to use an important part of the game and use the fanbase in order to proffit and totally ignoring the damage it could cause to the overall look of the game.

That's what makes me to diagree with the DLC and EA ideology overall.
Look back in the days where bioware didnt had EA as  publisher,then,try to compare them after they did.

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Ap0c_NL wrote...

Wherever the heretic geth become entrenched they build monuments to the Reapers resembling Sovereign's "tentacles" around a glowing orb, and genuflect. Sovereign was apparently insulted by the adoration of such simple, base synthetics, but it did see their value as pawns and possible replacements for the flawed and organic keepers.

this comes from the first piece on wiki story about sovereign. In the book they said they have no conciousness. =/ what not right about this picture? So you see, i trust on the WRITERS of the books and the mass effect story not on some forum dude that fills in some info about a story he didn't come up with in the first place.


Sovergin himself in the original ME: www.youtube.com/watch

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Draconis6666 wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Wherever the heretic geth become entrenched they build monuments to the Reapers resembling Sovereign's "tentacles" around a glowing orb, and genuflect. Sovereign was apparently insulted by the adoration of such simple, base synthetics, but it did see their value as pawns and possible replacements for the flawed and organic keepers.

this comes from the first piece on wiki story about sovereign. In the book they said they have no conciousness. =/ what not right about this picture? So you see, i trust on the WRITERS of the books and the mass effect story not on some forum dude that fills in some info about a story he didn't come up with in the first place.


Yet you apparently dont trust the writers of the game since you have ignored the actual dialogue inside the game from sources like vigil a PROTHEAN VI that discount your entire lore fantasy world. Or Liara when she flat out says the Protheans were not the first civilization wiped out in a galactic extinction


what?! Posted Image oh yeah i see a vid on youtube thats the coolest part from ME1. let me come back to you after i watched it.

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