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[nitefyre410]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $5-$7  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 23 février 2012 - 02:41 .

[loungeshep]

Robin001 wrote...

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 Wake Up




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Ohhhhhhh......DO I have ta'?

[Daywalker315]

TexasToast712 wrote...

So buying the DLC comes with outfits that don't come with it if you get it through the CE edition?

Someone clear this up please? I need to know if I need to buy the same DLC twice for all the content. (Something I'm willing to do.)

Yes, the DLC has outfits for all squad mates. You will get that, along with the new gun, in addition to your 4 outfits that come with the CE. And as a CE owner, I'm stoked about that.

[finc.loki]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Robin001 wrote...

Bioware !!!

This is really disapointing, how a really good studio can transform to a pease of ****. I mean look at CD Projekt and Witcher 2. Look at Blizzard. These are studios with honesty and glamour. You became a shadow of what you were in past. Its sad, but its true. People curse on you and i dont blame them of doing that. You loose your fans eventually. You dont respect your fans and them will stop respect you !!! I studied economy and this is horrible marketing model.

So wake up Bioware. 

Someone silence this idiot.

You really should stop calling people names and just attacking them.
You never even present a counter-argument, you just troll.

[TheCreeper]

Okay I know having a prothean is kind of a big but the devs had said they aren't vital to the plot, and Sebastian didn't get this amount of flak for being Day One DLC. So we are you people acting like this is the end of the bloody world? Besides the fact that people are massively self-entitled.

[realguile]

TexasToast712 wrote...

So buying the DLC comes with outfits that don't come with it if you get it through the CE edition?

Someone clear this up please? I need to know if I need to buy the same DLC twice for all the content. (Something I'm willing to do.)

no. it's all in the CE no need to buy it twice.

[Goth Skunk]

Gruzmog wrote...

Lose the aggressive attitude and just voice you're opinion. This way its hard to take it serieusly and not as a piece of flame bait. Calling everybody that does not agree with you losers won't help much

BioWare already has my opinion. They had it when I pre-ordered the Collector's edition within 30 minutes of said edition being made available.

I'm here to show the losers that there are people that strongly disagree with their standpoint, and that odds are, when the numbers roll in and BioWare counts how many ME3 copies are purchased with and without DLC, It is the copies WITH DLC that will outnumber them greatly.

They may be numerous and vocal here, but outside in the real world, they are a mere footnote in the history of this games development.

[mjharper]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

if that was a change to make that DLC to be handled like it was with zaeed or shale then sure.

By which you mean it should be free? So a CE owner pays $20 more, and then the SE owner gets the content for free? How is that fair?

(By CE I mean only the Digital Edition, as physical media is clearly different)

get them weapons/armor/character skins for characters, documentaries, making of videos, bloopers of voice cast, videos on how to draw the characters for the people interested.  things like these are what should be in collector editions.  

Sorry, I wasn't talking about some hypothetical world in which things are not as they are. I meant right now, here, given the content of the CE (Digital Deluxe) and the content of SE.

If you could pay the difference in price between the two and upgrade, would that stop people complaining?

Because clearly, SE owners can't expect to get the same content as CE owners, only for less money.

that's how it worked with shale, shale was also part of the CE edition.

I suppose you could say that Shale was part of every (new) edition. In any case, the did not do it that way with Warden's Keep or Sebastian. In both those cases, the CE contained content which was not part of the SE, and was not made freely available to everyone. So my question still stands as it is.

Modifié par mjharper, 23 février 2012 - 02:43 .

[Blarty]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Blarty wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

Blarty wrote...

Underpower wrote...

If the squadmate wasn't a Prothean, but was a (whatever species, including hanar/elcor) Prothean specialist, then I could buy the regular game, hate I was missing a squadmate and move on. But it's a Prothean. From the impact he's gonna have on Prothean lore, he probably shouldn't be a Prothean. But he is, so I'm not buying the game because it's not complete. 127, 128 pages. This isn't an insignificant issue to be dismissed by slinging 'entitled' around.

Don't buy the DLC then and get the lore from the mass effect wikis after a couple of days, and not feel like you have been cheated - you have not lost anything

By that argument, why buy the game at all, just read the forum spoilers and go on You Tube and watch a 'walkthrough' video.
Stupid arguement, is stupid.
Just like all arguments trying to defend this money grab.

I'm not trying to defend a money grab, but if all you care about is lore, then of course you are correct, why part cash with it, why even play it at all, when you can learn all this stuff on the wikis.... 

Oh and by the way saying 'Stupid argument is stupid' is an irrelevant comment..... 

My point stands if all you care about is lore then why do you even bother to play the game at all never mind buy it?

Go back to farmville.

Seriously? THAT is your comeback? I have never defended the money grab in fact even with me buying 2 CEs I'll still have to fork out at least 4 times as much as a single SE owner so that the content is available on the 3 xboxs and 3 PS3s in my house, so I'll likely be out of pocket more than you because of this......

What I am railing against is the 'why isn't it the precious free because I wants it' comments - the reverse of all this, is that it isn't an important character and you get to moan about how some of you put down $10 for a character that's like Zaeed/Kasumi..... Day 1 DLC isn't good, but it does not make your game broken, stop trying to make out like it is.... and as I've said before if Bioware does make this Prothean DLC free then they should never listen to this stupid mob mentality again, out of prinicple.

Everyone likes to say 'it's the principle' and 'out of respect for the fans', and 'if it weren't for fans there wouldn;t be an ME3' - this is all true, but it's all from a certain point of view, a view that is not universally shared. In principle, Bioware doesn't have to have any DLC, Out of respect for the fans and their wallets, Bioware doesn't have to provide any DLC thus you don't have to worry about having the money to buy them.

The principle seems to boil down to that because Bioware provided a significant set of content as part of Cerberus Network over a number of weeks after ME2's launch, and even though the part of the Cerberus Network 'add-on' is now the multiplayer portion of Mass Effect 3, and is completely optional even for achievement/trophy completionist, you still want additional content free, on-tap as per the Cerberus Network.


 

So I think that the only way to resolve this is to keep it as a CE exclusive, remove the From Ashes DLC from Xbox Marketplace and then you can all get back to moaning about the CE people getting stuff you can never have access to.

[Daywalker315]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $7-$10.   

You can assign value to whatever you want and say "oh well this and that is worth $20 so the DLC isn't part of it", that's just a ridiculous way of backing up your way of thinking. It is part of a PACKAGE we paid an extra $20 for. There is no intrinsic value of each item inside it relative to what we paid. Do I agree it's a great deal because the sum of the things within it are worth more than $20? Absolutely. But don't act like we didn't pay additional money for this DLC. In fact, I bought the CE specifically because of the DLC. When I pre-ordered it in July, I assumed there was a chance it would be CE-exclusive. Unlikely but possible. I didn't want to miss out on it. So you're telling me that I spent my extra $20 on the soundtrack and art book? False. Try again.

[Biosargent]

[Poison_Berrie]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

totally not. why would a mechanic race that has no real feelings (got this info from the third book) but just act on their algorihm for ages as they where once build. Why they say all is Prothean design? Why would the reapers let 1 race advance that much like the protheans if they wipe out humanity and the other species so fast?
The Protheans could have wiped out the reapers easily with their technological advanced structures, weapons, ships, etc. What makes sense to me is that the Reapers where build by the protheans and therefor let their guard down when the reapers plannend an attack and when they saw their chance strike and control their creators.

You should play the games again. It's all explained in the games.

The general gist is that the the galaxy at large thinks the Protheans probably created the Mass Relays because they have evidence of the Protheans galaxy spanning empire.
But as we learn in Mass Effect 1 they are actually build by the Reapers so that the civilizations in the Galaxy develop with the technology they control and understand well.

Goth Skunk wrote...

Ignorant?I was smarter at 5 years of age than you are right now.

You sure aren't showing it, with those one-liner insults and demands.

[JimmyTheProthean]

I don't believe for a second that the Prothean DLC was only completed after certification!.
They most likely had it done and finished since last year or early this year. Its just a petty excuse by bioware to calm the angry horde down. They had all the prothean stuff designed and completed way before certification trying to justifying milking the cow! pathetic.

[Errationatus]

Jahannam wrote...

Flaming me for 10 pages...get over it. really My OP stands Im not angry Im dissapointed in the way bioware has handled it.. Enough said.

Suit yourself.

[Ap0c_NL]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Wherever the heretic geth become entrenched they build monuments to the Reapers resembling Sovereign's "tentacles" around a glowing orb, and genuflect. Sovereign was apparently insulted by the adoration of such simple, base synthetics, but it did see their value as pawns and possible replacements for the flawed and organic keepers.

this comes from the first piece on wiki story about sovereign. In the book they said they have no conciousness. =/ what not right about this picture? So you see, i trust on the WRITERS of the books and the mass effect story not on some forum dude that fills in some info about a story he didn't come up with in the first place.

Yet you apparently dont trust the writers of the game since you have ignored the actual dialogue inside the game from sources like vigil a PROTHEAN VI that discount your entire lore fantasy world. Or Liara when she flat out says the Protheans were not the first civilization wiped out in a galactic extinction

what?!  oh yeah i see a vid on youtube thats the coolest part from ME1. let me come back to you after i watched it.

Thank you. My memory is failing me. you the first one that actually makes me shut my ignorant mouth. thank again. I thought ME1 was the best of both anyway so i will go through it real quick on easy difficulty to get back some vital information.

Modifié par Ap0c_NL, 23 février 2012 - 02:45 .

[Draconis6666]

LivingHitokiri wrote...


By simply adding  a Prothean to ME 3 and turn into non significant part of the story will ruin everything the story so far build and told us,all for the sake of 10 dolars,by ruinning an important aspect of the game into fodder( if it doesnt play any role in ME 3) if it does then EA simply proves they choose to use an important part of the game and use the fanbase in order to proffit and totally ignoring the damage it could cause to the overall look of the game.

That's what makes me to diagree with the DLC and EA ideology overall.
Look back in the days where bioware didnt had EA as  publisher,then,try to compare them after they did.

This is completely true but the fact that it is still very possibly exactly what they did automaticaly refutes the fact that a Prothean squad member is without any doubt Essential to the plot of the game or somethign that wihtout you are not getting the full game and that is the point.

The concept of if its a crappy and rediculous implmementation of the character and a totaly stupid waste of its potential is a completely separate issue and only partialy relevant. Since the argument is if the fact that he is a Prothean automaticaly in and of itself deprives you from having the full game you paid for even if he is terribly implemented and adds nothing to the story of this game itself. The merits of if he takes away from you having the full game cannot be based on his importance to ME 1 or ME 2 but only on his importance to the plot and story told in ME 3. Otherwise anything he tells you is simply interesting information that expands upon your knowledge of the overall mythos but would leave your experience with ME 3 completely unchanged even if he did not exist at all.

[OdanUrr]

At this point, I pity the soul who has to read every single page of this thread.

[Blarty]

mjharper wrote...

Another thought experiment: What if, instead of a Day 1 DLC called 'From Ashes', Bioware instead released a Day 1 'Upgrade to CE game content' pack?

Would that shut the whiners up? Or would they continue to feel 'entitled'?

I think this would certainly help

[TK Dude]

OdanUrr wrote...

At this point, I pity the soul who has to read every single page of this thread.

Indeed. 

[Goth Skunk]

Poison_Berrie wrote...
You sure aren't showing it, with those one-liner insults and demands.

Brief, aggressive, and insulting though they may be, they nonetheless convey the message clearly that I do not advocate any sort of hivemind, pitchfork-and-torch gathering mob riot bent on smearing BioWare's good image.

Even in my rudeness, there is a message to be found.

[Daywalker315]

finc.loki wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Robin001 wrote...

Bioware !!!

This is really disapointing, how a really good studio can transform to a pease of ****. I mean look at CD Projekt and Witcher 2. Look at Blizzard. These are studios with honesty and glamour. You became a shadow of what you were in past. Its sad, but its true. People curse on you and i dont blame them of doing that. You loose your fans eventually. You dont respect your fans and them will stop respect you !!! I studied economy and this is horrible marketing model.

So wake up Bioware. 

Someone silence this idiot.

You really should stop calling people names and just attacking them.
You never even present a counter-argument, you just troll.

To the OP, Blizzard charges $25 for vanity pets in WoW. That's not helping your argument. SE owners should have to pay a modest fee for DLC that is a bonus in the CE package. That doesn't make them disrespectful. And it's a great business model. They will make more money off the DLC than they will lose by the small amount of people who actually won't buy the game over this. Win.

[mahony427]

I'm a huge fan of ME! But Bio/EA's recent business practices are pushing me over the f****ing line! I, a fan that have beaten ME1 and ME2 for more that 20 times am now considering whether to buy this game or not! I do not wish to support this kind of business policy!

[Almostfaceman]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $5-$7  

So, you're cherry picking what you think is free and not free in the extras. I see. Obviously, Bioware had to pay people to make the DLC, just as it took money to make the soundtrack and artbook, so the extra money you paid for the CE went to covering those costs. You got a package deal.

So we have to pay more for seperate items not packaged, hardly a new or novel concept. I don't mind paying $10 for the DLC since I don't want the art book or sound track. I don't get the package deal, 'cause I don't want the package.

[TexasToast712]

Daywalker315 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

So buying the DLC comes with outfits that don't come with it if you get it through the CE edition?

Someone clear this up please? I need to know if I need to buy the same DLC twice for all the content. (Something I'm willing to do.)

Yes, the DLC has outfits for all squad mates. You will get that, along with the new gun, in addition to your 4 outfits that come with the CE. And as a CE owner, I'm stoked about that.

Little bumed I have to spend money on the same thing twice but I don't care. DIGITAL PRETTIES! MUST HAVE ALL OF THEM.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Well, this thread has certainly grown in the last few hours.

I'm not really sure how to view our current situation, considering that I always buy a Standard Edition and pay for DLC whenever I can afford it. In all my first playthroughs with any BioWare product, they are always DLC-free, although I am considerably inclined to change that tradition in response to the pack in question.

I guess the only thing I can say is... BioWare good, EA bad.
Always felt this way, always will.