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[Goth Skunk]

mahony427 wrote...

I'm a huge fan of ME! But Bio/EA's recent business practices are pushing me over the f****ing line! I, a fan that have beaten ME1 and ME2 for more that 20 times am now considering whether to buy this game or not! I do not wish to support this kind of business policy!

You will.

You throw your empty threat up here now, but someone that's shown THAT much dedication to the previous chapters won't be able to resist getting the final installment.

[Bfler]

Thank you EA\\Bioware. I was undecided if I should buy Wargame or wait for ME3. With that the decision has been made.

You are the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times.

[foo man chew]

Everybody buying the game is being used for a quick buck no matter what edition you bought.Its simple content sold on day one was made during the development and purposely held out to make money.It should of been in the game for free,If you like being used for a quick buck thats fine but all the outrage for consumers who expect a finished product without paying extra is insane.Most people wouldnt except this with any other product they purchase so why is it ok with a video game.

[mjharper]

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $7-$10.   

You can assign value to whatever you want and say "oh well this and that is worth $20 so the DLC isn't part of it", that's just a ridiculous way of backing up your way of thinking. It is part of a PACKAGE we paid an extra $20 for. There is no intrinsic value of each item inside it relative to what we paid. Do I agree it's a great deal because the sum of the things within it are worth more than $20? Absolutely. But don't act like we didn't pay additional money for this DLC. In fact, I bought the CE specifically because of the DLC. When I pre-ordered it in July, I assumed there was a chance it would be CE-exclusive. Unlikely but possible. I didn't want to miss out on it. So you're telling me that I spent my extra $20 on the soundtrack and art book? False. Try again.

My thoughts exactly. I pre-ordered the CE for the bonus content, not the artbook and so on. I knew the content was part of the deal, as it was with DAO and DA2, for example. I knew I had the choice between SE + DLC, or CE, and that even with SE + DLC I might miss out on some content / stuff, such as the Collector gear from ME2 CE. 

[Goth Skunk]

Bfler wrote...

Thank you EABioware. I was undecided if I should buy Wargame or wait for ME3. With that the decision has been made.

You are the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times.

Get off your high horse.

[Daywalker315]

JimmyTheProthean wrote...

I don't believe for a second that the Prothean DLC was only completed after certification!.
They most likely had it done and finished since last year or early this year. Its just a petty excuse by bioware to calm the angry horde down. They had all the prothean stuff designed and completed way before certification trying to justifying milking the cow! pathetic.

You think they would waste resources into completing this first when it was always intended to be DLC? They were already down to the wire polishing the main game for certification 4-6 weeks before launch. Why would they waste valuable time finishing this when it didn't have to be certified til a month after the main game? Use your brain.

[mjharper]

Bfler wrote...

Thank you EABioware. I was undecided if I should buy Wargame or wait for ME3. With that the decision has been made.

You are the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times.

Good grief. Talk about first world problems.

[Goth Skunk]

mjharper wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Thank you EABioware. I was undecided if I should buy Wargame or wait for ME3. With that the decision has been made.

You are the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times.

Good grief. Talk about first world problems.

Amen.

[loungeshep]

mjharper wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Thank you EABioware. I was undecided if I should buy Wargame or wait for ME3. With that the decision has been made.

You are the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times.

Good grief. Talk about first world problems.

\\This. Exactly this.

[Blarty]

Farbautisonn wrote...

1) Explain the history of the americas, not mentioning ships.

Native Americans

2) Explain the cold war, not mentioning Europe.

Russia

3) Explain art without mentioning Italy.

Picasso, Dali

4) Explain political science without mentioning France.

Socialism

5) Explain the history of the US not mentioning Britain... or France.

Dutch Settlers

6) Explain the history of the US not mentioning Native Americans.

English Settlers

7) Explain the history of philosophy without mentioning germany.

Socrates, Plato, Aristotle

8) Explain the history of theology without mentioning Israel.

Greek, Roman & Eqyptian pantheons

-ad nauseam...

All these things are correct, from a different point of view.

Opinions are like quantum physics - two different answers at the same time

[Errationatus]

I would like to point out one teeny detail people seem to be missing:

It is not the Prothean himself that is essential to the plot - it is the deus ex machina Prothean technology that will be used to whup the Reapers that's essential to the Big Finish.  That Bioware made him a Prothean was meant to be nothing more than a "Oh, cool!  We finally meet a real Prothean in the flesh! I've heard so much about them!"  

It didn't have to be a Prothean.  It could have just as easily been the one Collector that managed to shake off his programming, was missed in the genetic sieving process.  Whatever.

Obvious plot device is obvious.

[Draconis6666]

Ap0c_NL wrote...

Thank you. My memory is failing me. you the first one that actually makes me shut my ignorant mouth. thank again. I thought ME1 was the best of both anyway so i will go through it real quick on easy difficulty to get back some vital information.

NP everyone's memory of how things ends up colored by their imagination and opionins after time. Nothing wrong at all with having the imagination to come up with everything you did, and much respect for actually being willing to investigate other people's claims that you were wrong and admit that you had forgotten things. Many people are not willing to do that, and have fun playing ME 1

[Mclouvins]

mjharper wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Thank you EABioware. I was undecided if I should buy Wargame or wait for ME3. With that the decision has been made.

You are the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times.

Good grief. Talk about first world problems.

Yes Bioware is clearly more evil than Assad slaughtering his people daily.

[Almostfaceman]

foo man chew wrote...

Everybody buying the game is being used for a quick buck no matter what edition you bought.Its simple content sold on day one was made during the development and purposely held out to make money.It should of been in the game for free,If you like being used for a quick buck thats fine but all the outrage for consumers who expect a finished product without paying extra is insane.Most people wouldnt except this with any other product they purchase so why is it ok with a video game.

Nope, it takes money to make the game and DLC, so it's fair they charge money to cover their costs. The product is finished and the DLC is bonus content. I don't get used, I get a product for my money.

[mahony427]

First you(EA) forced us to download a spyware program (Origin) now you're cutting of the game into pieces to squeeze more money from us, what else do you have in store for your customers?

[realguile]

mahony427 wrote...

I'm a huge fan of ME! But Bio/EA's recent business practices are pushing me over the f****ing line! I, a fan that have beaten ME1 and ME2 for more that 20 times am now considering whether to buy this game or not! I do not wish to support this kind of business policy!

You'll buy it anyway bacause u want it have no self control.

[Daywalker315]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

So buying the DLC comes with outfits that don't come with it if you get it through the CE edition?

Someone clear this up please? I need to know if I need to buy the same DLC twice for all the content. (Something I'm willing to do.)

Yes, the DLC has outfits for all squad mates. You will get that, along with the new gun, in addition to your 4 outfits that come with the CE. And as a CE owner, I'm stoked about that.

Little bumed I have to spend money on the same thing twice but I don't care. DIGITAL PRETTIES! MUST HAVE ALL OF THEM.

Why would you have to buy it again? You get "From Ashes" with the CE. "From Ashes" has the outfits, gun, character, and mission. It's one download. Hence the CE gets both sets of outfits. No extra buying needed.

[nitefyre410]

mjharper wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $7-$10.   

You can assign value to whatever you want and say "oh well this and that is worth $20 so the DLC isn't part of it", that's just a ridiculous way of backing up your way of thinking. It is part of a PACKAGE we paid an extra $20 for. There is no intrinsic value of each item inside it relative to what we paid. Do I agree it's a great deal because the sum of the things within it are worth more than $20? Absolutely. But don't act like we didn't pay additional money for this DLC. In fact, I bought the CE specifically because of the DLC. When I pre-ordered it in July, I assumed there was a chance it would be CE-exclusive. Unlikely but possible. I didn't want to miss out on it. So you're telling me that I spent my extra $20 on the soundtrack and art book? False. Try again.

My thoughts exactly. I pre-ordered the CE for the bonus content, not the artbook and so on. I knew the content was part of the deal, as it was with DAO and DA2, for example. I knew I had the choice between SE + DLC, or CE, and that even with SE + DLC I might miss out on some content / stuff, such as the Collector gear from ME2 CE. 

 

thats   was your reason for getting it ...  GREAT. I'm not disputing your reason.. .don't care about your reason.  

still doesn't change  that price of the DLC  is likely not  covered in the 20 bucks that was paid extra.

[Draconis6666]

mahony427 wrote...

First you(EA) forced us to download a spyware program (Origin) now you're cutting of the game into pieces to squeeze more money from us, what else do you have in store for your customers?

As stated before they could just  charge you $70 or $80 for the base game and not give you the option of if you want the possibly entirely pointless prothean squad member.

Activision has already done this before its not without precident.

[Almostfaceman]

mahony427 wrote...

First you(EA) forced us to download a spyware program (Origin) now you're cutting of the game into pieces to squeeze more money from us, what else do you have in store for your customers?

Nobody is forcing you to do anything, if you don't like it don't buy it. It's your choice.

[lrrose]

I've always found the idea of the evil corporation that removes content from a game to sell it later to be ridiculous. I've heard these arguments with the game Tales Of Vesperia and it was ridiculous then. It isn't any less ridiculous now. Prothy is not any more important to the plot than DA2's Sebastian.

[Mclouvins]

mahony427 wrote...

First you(EA) forced us to download a spyware program (Origin) now you're cutting of the game into pieces to squeeze more money from us, what else do you have in store for your customers?

I think they're planning to install those biochips from Syndicate into your brains so that they can actually force people to do things. I mean hey if you're going to get blamed for something, you might as well actually do it.

[Beefcake9000]

Syrellaris wrote...

This thread is getting to the point it should simply be closed.

On one side you have the accusers who say that the DLC should be free, because it is ready on Release day and Should be free for all regardless of what version you. Which is a Flawed argument to begin with. It is not part of the main story and therefor not important to finish the game with. It adds something extra thats about it.

Like all the loyalty missions in ME2? None of them were part of the 'main' story and were not necessary to complete the game. Should they have been sold seperately as 'optional' content? The problem with this argument is simply that the majority of most games are optional. Look at Skyrim. To complete the 'main' story I can run through that in a matter of hours. Should the rest of the game be cut and sold back to me piece by piece? This content was created during the process of creating ME3, perhaps by a second team, much like the Zaaed DLC was. But the Zaaed DLC was created as an encouragment to buy the game new. I could walk into a store and buy ME2 new and get the complete experience. I can't do that with ME3.

Syrellaris wrote...
On the other side you have the defenders (lke myself) that say it correct the way it is done at the moment. There is simply no reason why this DLC should be free for everyone but the Collectors edition buyers. It is a gift to true fans and thats it. Don't like it, buy the CE or dont buy the DLC. Simple as that

A gift doesn't usually cost 10 bucks. Saying Bioware 'did this for the fans' is nonsense. If that were the case it would be included as standard for new purchases - an actual 'gift' for everyone who has supported this franchise since ME1.

I already had the DDE on order anyhow, so technically this doesn't affect me, but I can see why people are going to be upset - and I hope BW/EA reconsider their position.

[mjharper]

nitefyre410 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $7-$10.   

You can assign value to whatever you want and say "oh well this and that is worth $20 so the DLC isn't part of it", that's just a ridiculous way of backing up your way of thinking. It is part of a PACKAGE we paid an extra $20 for. There is no intrinsic value of each item inside it relative to what we paid. Do I agree it's a great deal because the sum of the things within it are worth more than $20? Absolutely. But don't act like we didn't pay additional money for this DLC. In fact, I bought the CE specifically because of the DLC. When I pre-ordered it in July, I assumed there was a chance it would be CE-exclusive. Unlikely but possible. I didn't want to miss out on it. So you're telling me that I spent my extra $20 on the soundtrack and art book? False. Try again.

My thoughts exactly. I pre-ordered the CE for the bonus content, not the artbook and so on. I knew the content was part of the deal, as it was with DAO and DA2, for example. I knew I had the choice between SE + DLC, or CE, and that even with SE + DLC I might miss out on some content / stuff, such as the Collector gear from ME2 CE. 

 

thats   was your reason for getting it ...  GREAT. I'm not disputing your reason.. .don't care about your reason.  

still doesn't change  that price of the DLC  is likely not  covered in the 20 bucks that was paid extra.

"likely not"? That's pretty weak. The $20 extra, as far as I can see, covers the CE content that is not in the SE. Anything else is supposition.

Modifié par mjharper, 23 février 2012 - 02:58 .

[Daywalker315]

nitefyre410 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...
*high chair posturing removed*

I paid for the CE as well, but am I happy that the squadmate is a Prothean?!  You can bet your blue booties I'm not, because I feel for the guys who were screwed out of the single largest thing in ME lore for 50,000 years. Bioware can spin this all they like, but the fact that they had a Prothean lined up as DLC, and then made it free only for CE's is a low blow. Not to mention they'd better have a damn good excuse for this one Prothean to have survived for 50k years when their bloody VI couldn't last much longer, and that's an inorganic being.

Made it free for people who bought the CE? You paid extra for the CE, so how is it free? 

 

because the $20 bucks extra   does not  cover the cost of DLC  when the Soundtrack alone can run you about   between $15-$20 and the artbook would run   about $7-$10.   

You can assign value to whatever you want and say "oh well this and that is worth $20 so the DLC isn't part of it", that's just a ridiculous way of backing up your way of thinking. It is part of a PACKAGE we paid an extra $20 for. There is no intrinsic value of each item inside it relative to what we paid. Do I agree it's a great deal because the sum of the things within it are worth more than $20? Absolutely. But don't act like we didn't pay additional money for this DLC. In fact, I bought the CE specifically because of the DLC. When I pre-ordered it in July, I assumed there was a chance it would be CE-exclusive. Unlikely but possible. I didn't want to miss out on it. So you're telling me that I spent my extra $20 on the soundtrack and art book? False. Try again.

My thoughts exactly. I pre-ordered the CE for the bonus content, not the artbook and so on. I knew the content was part of the deal, as it was with DAO and DA2, for example. I knew I had the choice between SE + DLC, or CE, and that even with SE + DLC I might miss out on some content / stuff, such as the Collector gear from ME2 CE. 

 

thats   was your reason for getting it ...  GREAT. I'm not disputing your reason.. .don't care about your reason.  

still doesn't change  that price of the DLC  is likely not  covered in the 20 bucks that was paid extra.

And you reiterating your already wrong point doesn't make it any more valid. I'm sorry. Opinions I can usually accept as everyone's brain works differently. This is just wrong. You can't assign "worth" to things within a package like this when it comes to people's reasoning for buying. None of those items have a set retail value, so don't even try. The physical items are "worth" very little to me. In-game DLC and exclusives like the N7 weapons and outfit pack are "worth" my $20.