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[WeWant]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

WeWant wrote...

I love how mister Gamble sells the game.

"Real long terms fans have pre ordered the CE anyway"

"We did this to please our long term fans"

" It will be the best game ever"


Not bad, Mr Gamble, not bad. I give you 7/10.
Too bad that you fail to consider:

- Long term fans who are not brainless compulsive consumers. Who wait to be sure if the final product is actually worth it.
- Long term fans who do not care for online gaming, through don't pay for the online capacity of the 360.

I've been a BioWare fan since KotOR way back in 2003...there's never been a doubt in my mind that a BioWare RPG will be worth it and I've never been wrong in this aspect.

I hope you enjoyed DA2.

[N7Infernox]

arr0whead wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

 

Thanks.

Just saying: the chronology of Mike's post is up in the air. Silverman posted on twitter on JAN 12 that the "Secret Squadmate" would be day 1 dlc if you didn't buy the CE. Meanwhile the first report that CE's were running out came on JAN 22nd. They already had plans to release Prothy as DLC, before they knew that they were running out of CE copies. And even if they already knew, that just means that they were entirely willing to charge us this way, and neglected to make more CE's instead.

http://twitter.com/#...551994226216960
http://social.biowar...index/8947444/1

Modifié par N7Infernox, 22 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[Atakuma]

If this was free for those who bought the game new, then that would be understandable, but as it stands now, it's nothing more than a shameless cash grab.

Modifié par Atakuma, 22 février 2012 - 11:37 .

[Commdor]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I'm sure they did have intentions to sell it as a standalone. That doesn't change the fact that it was marketed as a bonus to CE buyers. If it's a bonus to CE buyers it shouldn't be free to standard buyers. Simple. And BW capitalizes on the "oooooh" factor of a Prothean to people by selling it for $10. If gamers weren't so ridiculous I'd say it's a good business decision. Buy it if you want the lore and a new guy to blast baddies with, or don't if you want to save $10. Either way, you can still play the game and finish it and save the galaxy.

Can I hug you?

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

I also love how people are going on and on about how the Prothean squad member would be too valuable/relevant to be DLC and not in the main game. It's not like the CE DLC character was gonna be some grunt dude then all the sudden BioWare said, "Oh hey! Let's make this guy the Prothean instead!" No. He was originally intended to be the CE DLC squadmate from the beginning as a special treat to those of us who were willing to pay for him either in the CE or as Day 1 DLC.

This.

[Yuoaman]

felipejiraya wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

God, so much whining.

Don't like it don't buy it, it's simple.

The game itself isn't the issue here, it's that a major part of the lore is being taken out because they feel like shaking their players down for more money.

We don't know the impact that the prothean squadmate will have on the game or it's story. 

He reveals quite a bit of interesting information that I'm not going to detail here, but it's somethign that should definitely not be treated as "extra".

[Wardka]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

How about that I believe that you shouldn't have had to pay extra for "Prothy" in the first place? That you're being ripped off along with the rest of the people buying the game?

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
 As I already explained to someone else, none of that dialogue was used in game or the DLC, so it was clearly far from finished or was going to be a line Liara said in the game itself. If the DLC is finished before the game is released, then include it in the game. If it isn't, then sell it as DLC.

So whats your argument about Kasumi's dialogue for the suicide mission that was on the disc that is the exact dialogue she uses if you have the DLC ?

I didn't waste my money buying that DLC.

But no one threw a huge fit over it and demanded Bioware give it to them for free

[neubourn]

I swear, the sense of entitlement on these forums is ridiculous.

People are whining because they obviously didnt purchase the CE when they had the chance (i seriously dont see any CE owners complaining about this).

So, its leaked that a very cool piece of content will be *gasp* Day one DLC. Now...if it were the "principle" of the thing that truly was the issue, then simply do not purchase it. Problem solved. People objected heavily to costume DLC in ME2, which is why they probably didnt sell to well, which is also why only about half of them were even released. Consumers voting with their wallets, like it should be.

But WAIT!!! Apparently we can all agree that a Prothean Squadmate/mission on Eden Prime is much better DLC than just costumes (lol probably why costumes are INCLUDED in the DLC)....yet, people do not want to *pay* for this content.

And now we are back to the entitlement. Basically, people are upset that they didnt order the CE in time (or couldnt afford it), and BW announces a pretty sweet DLC item, but people think they are *entitled* to it for free because it happens to be Day One DLC.

If you think it is a good DLC, then buy it. Thats what consumers are SUPPOSED to do. Buy content that you think has value. If you think it does NOT contain $10 value, then dont purchase it. Simple concept really. You are only *entitled* to what you purchase, in this case...whatever game is on the disc. NOTHING MORE!!! You are not entitled to extra DLC just because you *THINK* it shouldve been put "on the disc." Doesnt work that way.

[Ryzaki]

RiouHotaru wrote...
Uhhh, he offers insight into galactic culture and has some opinions.  But absolutely NOTHING plot-critical, exactly like Kasumi, Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian.  The leak makes that clear.

Seb should not be on that list.

Without Seb you lose quite a bit of the backstory on the explosion between mages and templars.

[Itsmudtoyou]

Still getting it... i mean WTH.... he is part of the game just not a squaddie, they change some code to MAKE it a squaddie and the mission is to get him to fight, to show him that fighting is the right thing to do...... protheans in the Lore of ME were not aggressive, they were only like that when the Reapers identified themselves.... He might have been put away as a link to what they were or to get their race to continue on not as the aggressive ones that the reapers killed off but as a link to what they once were, scholors and scientists....

[irfilament]

iRAWRasaurusREX wrote...


Can someone answer this question? Dlc in general should be made after the game is shipped. But eh whatever..Mass Effect, Dead Space and Battlefield 3 are the only reasons why I am gonna buy anything from EA. but even with those its pretty bleak..

Oh, yes, this. It's hard to justify day one DLC for 10 dollars when other companies that shan't be named are making classy rpgs and remain dedicated and courteous to their consumers *sighs*

[RiouHotaru]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Actually , I don't like Expanded Universe things like comics and books, look at what it did for Star Wars. But that is beside the point. The point is, we have game content, already made before release, it is not bonus perks for CE, it is not soundtrack, not a comic, not a book, but actual game content that is deliberately left out of the game before release when it should be part of the package. This is, as I have said countless times, unethical. Your customers are paying for the game, the whole game, on release. And you are cutting it up:

This is wrong.

Your image would be true...IF that was what was happening.

[packardbell]

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

Sebastian wasn't free for customers who didn't get the signature edtion of the game. And people moaned over the fact that Zaeed and Shale were free for new buyers only at the time too, complaining that signing up and getting them for free over the cost of 10-15 dollars after the fact is wrong. 

So honestly, it doesn't matter how Bioware does things, because people will always think they are entitled to something that was made into a planned extra.

If you pre-ordered DA2 before a certain time then your copy would get a free upgrade to the signature edition which would include Sebastian and other bits of content at no extra cost, yes I would rather it be avaliable to all day 1 purchases of the game but it's still much better than this situation.. and Sebastian wasn't really intregal to the game, was just a nice character to have. But again it was a bonus to all the loyal customers who pre-order from day 1. Spin it al lyou want but this is not acceptable.

[HiroVoid]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I'm sure they did have intentions to sell it as a standalone. That doesn't change the fact that it was marketed as a bonus to CE buyers. If it's a bonus to CE buyers it shouldn't be free to standard buyers. Simple. And BW capitalizes on the "oooooh" factor of a Prothean to people by selling it for $10. If gamers weren't so ridiculous I'd say it's a good business decision. Buy it if you want the lore and a new guy to blast baddies with, or don't if you want to save $10. Either way, you can still play the game and finish it and save the galaxy.

Can I hug you?

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

I also love how people are going on and on about how the Prothean squad member would be too valuable/relevant to be DLC and not in the main game. It's not like the CE DLC character was gonna be some grunt dude then all the sudden BioWare said, "Oh hey! Let's make this guy the Prothean instead!" No. He was originally intended to be the CE DLC squadmate from the beginning as a special treat to those of us who were willing to pay for him either in the CE or as Day 1 DLC.

I ordered the CE, and I'm fine with it being available to everyone.   It's not like the CE only has the Prothean with it.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 22 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[nitefyre410]

havoc373 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

DJBare wrote...
 
And so begins damage control, hope you guys are on the ball, I think you got a big mess to clean up.

 

given how that  statement read and  considering the fact that files have been pulled from the demo...

they are not...

 That statement  was some of the worst  damage control I have seen... SMH.   You are right this is a huge mess  to clean up.  Honestly the best  thing to do would be to make a free for everyone like you suggested and give the CE  buyers the soundtrack even  instead which I think the should have done it the first place that way it equals out.

according to my retailer CE buyers are getting the soundtrack. (its download only though)

 

Yeah I just checked  on Gamestops website its a digital copy

Then if that is so there  making Prothy free for  everyone really doesn't hurt because it 

A . Quiets  this mees
B. incentives  buy  new over used.
c. The trade for CE own is equal the Soundtrack is equal  price and than the DLC.    

The Soundtrack and  DLC hold about equal value anyway...if you'd buy them seperate.  

More importantly it quiets this uproar because its not going to away not with a few weeks left. before release.

[Daywalker315]

Basekid wrote...

Haha what a joke.

So I pay full price for a game, and already I am being left out on content from day 1? Super lame.

Four options.

1. Buy the CE so you get it with the game
2. Spend $10 and get Prothy
3. Don't spend $10 and be just fine playing the complete game and saving the galaxy
4. Make a big deal out of this and don't buy the game

CE buyers were promised a bonus character for spending the extra for the CE. Standard version buyers shouldn't get that bonus character for free. $10 isn't the end of the world if you want him. If you don't want to spend $10, the game won't explode if you play without him. You'll still have fun.

[Urza]

Can someone answer this question? Dlc in general should be made after the game is shipped. But eh whatever..Mass Effect, Dead Space and Battlefield 3 are the only reasons why I am gonna buy anything from EA. but even with those its pretty bleak..

Really? When it's shipped? So when a game is "done" no one is allowed to work on anything for DLC until after the game goes gold and then even then they have to wait a few weeks for it to ship. Silliness.

[RiouHotaru]

Atakuma wrote...

If this was free for those who bought the game new, then that would be understandable, but as it stands now, it's nothing more than a shameless cash grab.

And if it was free, what about all the folks who pre-ordered the CE?

[El Ejcovero]

Draconis6666 wrote...

El Ejcovero wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
 As I already explained to someone else, none of that dialogue was used in game or the DLC, so it was clearly far from finished or was going to be a line Liara said in the game itself. If the DLC is finished before the game is released, then include it in the game. If it isn't, then sell it as DLC.

So whats your argument about Kasumi's dialogue for the suicide mission that was on the disc that is the exact dialogue she uses if you have the DLC ?

I didn't waste my money buying that DLC.

But no one threw a huge fit over it and demanded Bioware give it to them for free

It wasn't day one DLC:

This is wrong. I get tired of repeating myself.

Modifié par El Ejcovero, 22 février 2012 - 11:40 .

[Takamori The Templar]

Saw the main post, sorry don't justify a 10 dollar dlc for people that are planning to buy the game day 1.
Actually you are losing customers with that kind of attitude

[Dionkey]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
The Prothean is going to explain any questions we had about the Protheans, knowledge of the Reapers, and so on.

If you've read the script leaks, you KNOW this part isn't true.  And for someone who hasn't even seen the finished game you seem awfully sure of yourself.

Are you serious? It was pretty clear that the Prothean will provide a huge amount of unique insight on his race and will definitely be involved in a number of the games missions. If anything, I'd say he's the Legion of ME3.

Uhhh, he offers insight into galactic culture and has some opinions.  But absolutely NOTHING plot-critical, exactly like Kasumi, Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian.  The leak makes that clear.

Yes, because he definitely won't be involved when they explain the Protheans intentions, which I won't get too much into here to avoid spoiling it for others.

Remember, Sebastian is probably just a step under the importance of the Prothean. Do you not recall his reaction to Anders at the end of DA2, or his numerous quest lines? They all had quite the impact on DA2, so don't spin him as a minor character like Kasumi or Zaeed, both of which were in a game focused around recruiting an ass-load of squad mates rather than the small, controlled bunch in ME3 that delves into the story of each a lot more.

[Yuoaman]

Guys, this isn't us feeling a false sense of entitlement - this is a huge chunk of backstory just not being included with the game because... well because apparently we will buy anything.

[RiouHotaru]

Ryzaki wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Uhhh, he offers insight into galactic culture and has some opinions.  But absolutely NOTHING plot-critical, exactly like Kasumi, Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian.  The leak makes that clear.

Seb should not be on that list.

Without Seb you lose quite a bit of the backstory on the explosion between mages and templars.

But that backstory wasn't plot relevant.  NOT knowing the backstory in no way effected the game.

[Wevyc]

Oswald The Garden Gnome wrote...

TheOptimist wrote... 
 Imagine if they didn't include Garrus, Vega, or another character without coughing up 1/6 of the game's price. 

theres no ****ing way this guy is going to have nearly as big an impact on the story as Garrus nor Vega

So they included a prothean squadmate and he is irrelevant to the story.  Either way, it's messed up.