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[mjharper]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Because I want to play the game. I work, I earn money, I spend money. But pretending that Bioware charging for Day 1 DLC is "the best example of what is going wrong in our world in modern times" is to have no prespective on life whatsoever.

In the end, it's just a game, not a sign that the world is about to end.

I think he was more linking it to corporate policy and how everything is more and more designed to sqeeuze money from us for things that used to be more or less accepted to be part of the product.

You don't need to relate everything in live back to Somalia or Darfur.

I understand. But if that's what he meant to say, he should have said it.

And I personally don't think that's the worst thing about our modern world anyway. I'm not going to say what I think is, because generalized comments about what's wrong with the world have no place in a forum about a video game.

[Foxtrot_212]

And before you people gripe and complain YES I KNOW THATS NOT MUCH BLAH BLAH but thats the FREE version, Imagine the licensing Agreements for the full version infact its MUCH more than 99 Dollars for the full Unreal Engine.

[foo man chew]

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

[CaptainChip]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

I disagree.

While I have seen several people reply to you in a less than civil manner, I have also seen several cases where you degrade and insult peoples rightful opinion. As you yourself stated that you would "openly mock" those that had that certain opinion.
That, to me, is abusive and juvenile behavior.

Feel free to disagree.

Watch me not give a damn.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Look at you! So mature and civil! You are a shining example of how one should act in a debate!

[Goth Skunk]

CaptainChip wrote...

Look at you! So mature and civil! You are a shining example of how one should act in a debate!

This whole debate is a joke. I'm merely giving it the respect it deserves.

[TheStoner]

Goth Skunk wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Playable/= complete

It's funny that you call other people stupid and yet lack any intelligible arguments.

Your definition of 'playable' is my definition of 'complete.' If I can take the game at it's most basic form, begin it and finish it without any add-ons or the like, then it is complete.

Any add-ons tacked on afterward therefore become a welcome bonus.

Intelligible arguments are not needed in the faces of critics of "From Ashes," because while they wrongly classify THEIR arguments and criticisms as viable, I RIGHTLY classify them as whining.

Then you arguing semantics which is in fact misleading. I would also like to point out that under your definition of complete the game would've been complete long before launch and it would be possible to take out all but 2 companions and still fit your definition of complete.

[Phoenixblood]

If i get the Digital Deluxe Edition from Amazon it will Include the DLC ?

Also i wish i couldn't buy this game because you are being too greedy but i cant help it i love this game!

[Robin001]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Robin001 wrote...

This is my original text, which some people ruined.

 !!!       IGNORE THIS      !!!


I bought Witcher 2. I had so much fun and future dlcs for free. And now they release xbox version with bonus content and guess what. I will have it for free too. And not mentioned the fact that classic edition of the game (soundtrack game guide map, bonus content..) looks like CE from different studios. And Witcher is really really good game with great story, adult charakters based on books and famous graphics.


I bought Mass effect 3. I have read spoilers from the game, that are direct from Bioware. This spoilers ruined my game experience. I read that i will not have dlc with protean witch is core in mass effect universe. I look at normal edition of the game (only CD with some advertisment) and it looks like sh*t in comarission with Witcher 2 . I hear crapy excuse of developing dlc after the game,and i know that is not true because of dlcs content and text leaked mounts ago. 


Reaction :I cancel my preorder copy of ME3 and I am not alone. (saddly because i love ME unniverse). Really not alone.
This is ****ty marketing model. Fans are sensitive and they dont like being lied and not respected.
!!!     YOU DO NOT NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING, BIOWARE      !!!

You made those mistakes again. I fixed it. Again.

Get a real life child.

[Beefcake9000]

CaptainChip wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again: They should've never made a Prothean companion in the first place.

His very existence would've angered people, because he's part of a race that's been extinct for 50,000 years, and many would want him to be important to the plot. The making him DLC part only made it worse.

Protheans should've stayed dead.

I can get onboard with this. People would still be pissed, but if it was just 'generic soldier boy' or even that dumb reporter they added, the backlash wouldn't have been anywhere near this bad.

A lot of people, myself included, think that a live prothean is either main plot worthy or not worthy of inclusion at all. I guess BW disagree. It's going to be interesting / amusing to see how little impact walking around with a freakin living prothean is going to have!

Liara: So who's your new squadmate, Shep?
Shep: Oh, just some living prothean I picked up, no biggie. Only the last survivor of his race with unique insights into a culture extinct for 50,000 years. Maybe I'll get him a new outfit.

[Takamori The Templar]

CaptainChip wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

I disagree.

While I have seen several people reply to you in a less than civil manner, I have also seen several cases where you degrade and insult peoples rightful opinion. As you yourself stated that you would "openly mock" those that had that certain opinion.
That, to me, is abusive and juvenile behavior.

Feel free to disagree.

Watch me not give a damn.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Look at you! So mature and civil! You are a shining example of how one should act in a debate!

Chill he is fightin fire with fire like the only adult of this thread

[Abirn]

You know, After thinking about it I'm not even all that upset about the DLC, a bit annoyed that it was created months ago and cut out instead of being created after the game gone gold which would have made it perfectly fine.

I'm more pissed off about PC players having to pay the same price as consoles. Sony/Microsoft each take 10 dollars from a games sales so logically the PC price should be 10 dollars less than the console prices.

[Foxtrot_212]

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

[CaptainChip]

Goth Skunk wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

Look at you! So mature and civil! You are a shining example of how one should act in a debate!

This whole debate is a joke. I'm merely giving it the respect it deserves.

Ah yes, giving the respect it deserves. You are obviously the most adult here. No one is mature as you!

It's not like you're being stuck up about your opinion, and being a jerk to anyone who you reply to!

[DaringMoosejaw]

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

If you don't think ME3 vanilla is worth $60, don't buy it. I think ME3 vanilla is worth $60, and I think the extra content is worth $20. So, I don't have that problem.

[caldo15]

If Zaeed was free to people who bought ME2, This new character should be free, $10 is a ripoff, they're just going to ****** people off and make them pirate the game.

[Goth Skunk]

Robin001 wrote...

Get a real life child.

I'm making $32 an hour right now.

You mad, bro?

[Takamori The Templar]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

[NoxJuked]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Are you people ****ing Serious? Its OPTIONAL. We are in a recession, Im sure bioware and EA need money to pay off licensing for their games. INFACT for the game engine they used they need too sell around 50,000 Dollars worth too actually get the first marketing use of it paid off. So please for the love of god stop whining like babies.

Read Below:

If you create a games or commercial applications using UDK for sale or distribution to an end-user or client, or if you are providing services in connection with a UDK based game or application, the per-seat option does not apply. Instead the license terms for this arrangement are US $99 up-front, and a 0% royalty on you or your company's first US$50,000 in UDK related revenue from all your UDK based games or commercial applications, and a 25% royalty on UDK related revenue from all your UDK based games or commercial applications above US$50,000. UDK related revenue includes, but is not limited to, monies earned from: sales, services, training, advertisements, sponsorships, endorsements, memberships, subscription fees, in-game transactions, rentals and pay-to-play. You or your company will only need one commercial license to cover all the UDK based games or commercial applications you develop.
Here are some examples:

A warehouse company uses UDK to create an application for employee safety training. They develop it on one computer and then install the resulting application on two computers for their internal employees to use. They require a single UDK development seat license for a total cost of US$2,500 per year, for as long as they use UDK to develop and/or maintain the application.
A team creates a game with UDK that they intend to sell. After six months of development, they release the game through digital distribution and they earn US$60,000 in the first calendar quarter after release. Their use of UDK during development requires no fee. At some point prior to the UDK Application’s release they will need to secure a royalty-bearing commercial UDK license with its US$99 license fee. After earning US$60,000, they would be required to pay Epic US$2,500 (US$0 on the first US$50,000 in revenue, and US$2,500 on the next US$10,000 in revenue). On subsequent revenue, they are required to pay the 25% royalty.
An architecture firm uses UDK to create a live walk-through presentation for their customers. They charge their customers a fee of US$500 for each walk-through. Before they begin to charge customers for the walk-through, they would pay Epic US$99 for a royalty-bearing commercial UDK license. They sell walk-through presentations to 100 customers in the first quarter, bringing in US$50,000 in revenue. No royalty payment would be required to Epic for that first US$50,000. In the second quarter, they sell another 100 walk-through presentations, bringing in another US$50,000 in revenue. They are required to pay US$12,500 to Epic. On subsequent revenue, they are required to pay the 25% royalty.
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AND THATS JUST THE FREE VERSION. Jesus, imagine how much they are paying for the full Licensing for the Unreal Engine. Jesus people stop whining. Its the way the Economy is. ALSO the only way to jump start an economy is to spend, and that means getting money flowing through the economy, so PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Stop begging Bioware for a change. I support helping them with their games as they make good games. I dont care too buy DLC.

[fides5566]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

-snip-

So you want to incentive the consumers by ****ing then up?
Creating ****storm like this?
Ok.

Customer require great product and Unreal Engine is the best one.
If they don't use Unreal Engine you may get DA2 look in ME3 instead, you want that!?
You ***ing want that?

No.
But i didn't know that Unreal Engine require royalty for 1 in 4 of revenue, that's freaking huge!

[Errationatus]

Amikae wrote...

Many people here don't get it yet, it's not about the money.

Okay, I'm curious What exactly is it about then?  The principle of the thing?  Which particular principle?

If it hadn't been for the leaks you (the general "you", not you specifically) would not have known what you might have been missing.  If you hadn't known, you'd not have a case.  Thus all this righteous anger and moral self-entiltlement outrage would have been seriously misplaced, no?

Unfortunately, until you play the actual game, you still don't know what - if anything - you would have mightened not missed at all maybe.

Here's an experiment, All Thou Crusaders:  buy the standard edition.  Don't buy the DLC.  Stay away from the forums and YouTube, and anywhere they'll discuss the content.   Play the game.  Then and only then, go get the DLC.  Then replay the game.

How essential was it then?

If it completely ruined the game to not have it, destroyed how the game ended, utterly derailed the narrative and made the entire thing meaningless, I say you should get everything you want after.

I mean it: Bioware should prepare vouchers that allow you to get all future DLC absolutely free.  All of it - and 35% off any game you want they make after.  Free MP online too.  You got ripped off, Our Ethical Guardians, and you deserve recompense.

Otherwise, folks flailing about "principles" and how much Bioware owes them need to STFU.  They don't owe you anything other than what they've already given you.

[schnydz]

Well, thanks for the post Mr. Gamble. I appreciate you coming out and clarifying the Bioware's position on this. I may not agree with the decision to sell day 1 DLC, but I do see your reasoning and appreciate all bioware has done.

[Foxtrot_212]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

[mjharper]

TheStoner wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Playable/= complete

It's funny that you call other people stupid and yet lack any intelligible arguments.

Your definition of 'playable' is my definition of 'complete.' If I can take the game at it's most basic form, begin it and finish it without any add-ons or the like, then it is complete.

Any add-ons tacked on afterward therefore become a welcome bonus.

Intelligible arguments are not needed in the faces of critics of "From Ashes," because while they wrongly classify THEIR arguments and criticisms as viable, I RIGHTLY classify them as whining.

Then you arguing semantics which is in fact misleading. I would also like to point out that under your definition of complete the game would've been complete long before launch and it would be possible to take out all but 2 companions and still fit your definition of complete.

Yes, you can't just redefine the meaning of words in order to make your argument work.

Was ME2 complete at launch? It was playable, yes, but I think one could well argue that it wasn't complete until the release of Arrival.

[Takamori The Templar]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

So you just confirmed what I said: Basically , **** the old timer fans.