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[Forsythia]

Really, Michael can't say anything else than this, it's the same thing we keep hearing over and over. I'm glad he took the time to make this post, but really, this is the response I expected. Figures.

I don't blame him, or any other guy/girl working at BioWare, I truly believe you all work with passion on this game. That is part of what keeps me coming back to your games, regardless of all this crap. This is just business, I know. I don't agree with it, however.

[fresh101]

I don't know why are you lying to us? I mean ok, for n00bs who will be playing this game first in ME series, who don't know anything about protheans, to sell them this BS story that DLC was finished after main story, ok I can somehow understand that. But telling that to old fans, is not just insulting and disrispectful, it is also rude.

Do you take us as idiots to telling us that probably most important character in ME3 was finished after the main game?? Come on.... If some miracle this is the case ( which I doubted ), then you guys need to get your priorities straight, wouldn't LIVE PROTHEAN be a shocking revelation in game, and thus this would be like in ME2 you took of Legion and then sell him as DLC. If Vega was DLC I would understand that, he is just another human, but only surviving Prothean to be selling as DLC, and not part of story....

Come on, it's obvious, what you guys are doing, you sliced a game into some pieces, and decided to make more money, you could do that with multiplayer since not everyone want's to play it, and it would be ok, but to cut main story to pieces and then sell it like DLC, is just soulless corporate behavior.

But I understand it is not all your decision, you have to do what EA masters say, so I in a way fell sorry for you guys, because your talent is only used for that which is going to make profit. Sad world this is..... piece of paper is more important than creativity and people....

p.s. you should watch south park episode "crack baby athletic association" especially that part when kyle, cartman and others speak with EA president, I guess your situation isn't that different

p.p.s. so no, you don't have my support for this money grabbing, and lying to your fans and this will be the last game I will buy from BW, at least till something changes for the better....

[Goth Skunk]

CaptainChip wrote...

Ah yes, giving the respect it deserves. You are obviously the most adult here. No one is mature as you!

It's not like you're being stuck up about your opinion, and being a jerk to anyone who you reply to!

Like begets like.

There have been a number of people that have been VERY disrespectful towards BioWare in this thread. Unfortunately, being in the business they're in, the best thing for BioWare to do is take it all on the chin, where what they should REALLY be doing is closing the thread with a final post along the lines of 'All right, listen the f**k up. We get it. Some of you are pissed off at us, some of your are pissed off at those people pissed off with us. We've heard your opinions and we'll take them under advisement. The DLC is happening whether you like it or not. Discussion over. Any further topics about this issue will result in suspensions.'

[Foxtrot_212]

fides5566 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

-snip-

So you want to incentive the consumers by ****ing then up?
Creating ****storm like this?
Ok.

Customer require great product and Unreal Engine is the best one.
If they don't use Unreal Engine you may get DA2 look in ME3 instead, you want that!?
You ***ing want that?

No.
But i didn't know that Unreal Engine require royalty for 1 in 4 of revenue, that's freaking huge!

Exactly, What I posted was the FREE version, the UDK Im sure for the Full Unreal Engine its ALOT more (Ill try to find the full Licensing for Unreal Engine even if I have to Email for it)

[Wise Men]

Whew! I'm so glad I reserved the CE. It was selling like hotcakes near where I live.

[Kasen]

I'm fairly confident that this decision will be reversed (I could be wrong, who knows), considering the amount of outcry there seems to be over it. That said, I don't think it's nearly as bad as 'exclusive preorder content' that you only get from buying at a particular retailer before release. That is so common at this point that it's almost not even worthy of mention, yet it offends me far more than something like this, where it's available to everyone and everyone is paying extra for it (Collectors Edition costs more for a reason).

Edited to add: And more often than not, there are multiple retailers, each with their own 'exclusives', so you can't get them all without buying more than one copy or something.

Modifié par Kasen13, 23 février 2012 - 03:34 .

[Foxtrot_212]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

So you just confirmed what I said: Basically , **** the old timer fans.

I never said they didnt, I am on the stand point of supporting them paying off Licensing for using the Game Engine and spending for the sake of the economy, I mean its MONEY it only hurts you for a little bit so enjoy it and make more.

[myxxmasta]

should've been free with the online pass

Pre-order Cancelled!!

[OmniLight64]

 I tend to see for the most part at least here, people raving about how the Prothean is crucial to the story or individuals saying that he won't be that important. It may or may not (since I refrain from reading most spoilers, I can not 100% say it is or not), however the only thing that is certain is that it is lore significant to say the least. 

However, I only believe Bioware wanting to make money was only a small part of this. But before I explain, I just want to say that I am a Mass Effect fan and don't particularly care about Bioware's other games. Regardless, I have been thinking and came to a conclusion based on what I've heard from my friends whom none have posted here or on the internet about this series. A fair amount of them who have play the series detest the notion of a living for the most part unaltered Prothean. They feel that it detracts from the fact that they lost but still did enough so that the current species could finish the job. One of them even said that one living Prothean is enough to make Shepard feel less important. I for one will not say if I agree with them however.

Now, what I think is the reason the Prothean was put in DLC was not to make us mad but more a compromise so. DLC is optional and has no major effect on the overall story. Therefore, those who want the Prothean can get him but those who don't will not be forced to have something they really do not want shoved down their throat. This compromise is fairly important as it does not upset what could be a fair amount of those who remain silent. Yes, Bioware should have probably taken a better approach to this but it is not like we are forced to get him. This is not something like needing to buy  a Dlc for Skyrim that adds dragons. The Prothean is only as important as the individual believes it is. While the squadmate being free would be nice, at least they are letting SE buyers still be able to get him if they want to.

[Takamori The Templar]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

So you just confirmed what I said: Basically , **** the old timer fans.

I never said they didnt, I am on the stand point of supporting them paying off Licensing for using the Game Engine and spending for the sake of the economy, I mean its MONEY it only hurts you for a little bit so enjoy it and make more.

Oh of course bioware is a indie developer, they are low on resources , its not like they burned 300 MILL in SWTOR.
Oh sooo poor bioware.
This is not a AAA title, we are being so evil

[Abirn]

Kasen13 wrote...

I'm fairly confident that this decision will be reversed (I could be wrong, who knows), considering the amount of outcry there seems to be over it. That said, I don't think it's nearly as bad as 'exclusive preorder content' that you only get from buying at a particular retailer before release. That is so common at this point that it's almost not even worthy of mention, yet it offends me far more than something like this, where it's available to everyone and everyone is paying extra for it (Collectors Edition costs more for a reason).

Edited to add: And more often than not, there are multiple retailers, each with their own 'exclusives', so you can't get them all without buying more than one copy or something.

Ya I 'm more outraged at the exclusive content than I am over this.  That and the fact that the PC version costs 10 dollars more than the console version.  

[rob593]

Goth Skunk wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

Ah yes, giving the respect it deserves. You are obviously the most adult here. No one is mature as you!

It's not like you're being stuck up about your opinion, and being a jerk to anyone who you reply to!

Like begets like.

There have been a number of people that have been VERY disrespectful towards BioWare in this thread. Unfortunately, being in the business they're in, the best thing for BioWare to do is take it all on the chin, where what they should REALLY be doing is closing the thread with a final post along the lines of 'All right, listen the f**k up. We get it. Some of you are pissed off at us, some of your are pissed off at those people pissed off with us. We've heard your opinions and we'll take them under advisement. The DLC is happening whether you like it or not. Discussion over. Any further topics about this issue will result in suspensions.'

Don't be a tool

[PaulSX]

Phoenixblood wrote...

If i get the Digital Deluxe Edition from Amazon it will Include the DLC ?

Also i wish i couldn't buy this game because you are being too greedy but i cant help it i love this game!

Yes. I just canceled my preorder of standard edition from newegg and preordered the DDE from Amazon since they are offering 10 store credits. I wonder why EA/Bioware could not do that in their origin store

[Xellana]

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

[Hardwired]

Goth Skunk wrote...

CaptainChip wrote...

Ah yes, giving the respect it deserves. You are obviously the most adult here. No one is mature as you!

It's not like you're being stuck up about your opinion, and being a jerk to anyone who you reply to!

Like begets like.

There have been a number of people that have been VERY disrespectful towards BioWare in this thread. Unfortunately, being in the business they're in, the best thing for BioWare to do is take it all on the chin, where what they should REALLY be doing is closing the thread with a final post along the lines of 'All right, listen the f**k up. We get it. Some of you are pissed off at us, some of your are pissed off at those people pissed off with us. We've heard your opinions and we'll take them under advisement. The DLC is happening whether you like it or not. Discussion over. Any further topics about this issue will result in suspensions.'

Thats excellent way to run a company, if you like your client base to dwindle. We have all seen it time and time again. Whatever the case may be or however right the company is in their actions. The moment they take an aggressive action against their client base, the backlash from the internet as a whole is staggering. It is a surefire way to chaper 11.

[Palidane]

Wait, why is this such a big deal? No seriously. Is it just because it's day one DLC?

In fact, does anyone have any info besides that in the OP? How expensive is it? Can you get it in the Normal Edition by buying it separately, or de we have to order CE?,

[Foxtrot_212]

OmniLight64 wrote...

 I tend to see for the most part at least here, people raving about how the Prothean is crucial to the story or individuals saying that he won't be that important. It may or may not (since I refrain from reading most spoilers, I can not 100% say it is or not), however the only thing that is certain is that it is lore significant to say the least. 

However, I only believe Bioware wanting to make money was only a small part of this. But before I explain, I just want to say that I am a Mass Effect fan and don't particularly care about Bioware's other games. Regardless, I have been thinking and came to a conclusion based on what I've heard from my friends whom none have posted here or on the internet about this series. A fair amount of them who have play the series detest the notion of a living for the most part unaltered Prothean. They feel that it detracts from the fact that they lost but still did enough so that the current species could finish the job. One of them even said that one living Prothean is enough to make Shepard feel less important. I for one will not say if I agree with them however.

Now, what I think is the reason the Prothean was put in DLC was not to make us mad but more a compromise so. DLC is optional and has no major effect on the overall story. Therefore, those who want the Prothean can get him but those who don't will not be forced to have something they really do not want shoved down their throat. This compromise is fairly important as it does not upset what could be a fair amount of those who remain silent. Yes, Bioware should have probably taken a better approach to this but it is not like we are forced to get him. This is not something like needing to buy  a Dlc for Skyrim that adds dragons. The Prothean is only as important as the individual believes it is. While the squadmate being free would be nice, at least they are letting SE buyers still be able to get him if they want to.

Yes and the Prothean wont be static like Zaed or Kasumi, Sebastion in DA 2 is how he will be. He is FOR the FANS, OPTIONAL. If you want the Protheans Extinct Dont buy the DLC, If you want to learn about the Protheans Download the DLC

[Hardwired]

Palidane wrote...

Wait, why is this such a big deal? No seriously. Is it just because it's day one DLC?

In fact, does anyone have any info besides that in the OP? How expensive is it? Can you get it in the Normal Edition by buying it separately, or de we have to order CE?,

It's included free with the CE edition of the game. Standard editions need to pay 10 bucks extra for this addition on launch day.

The cases are argued diffrently by everyone. But the general idea is that the DLC reprisents a major lore related part of the game and is ready pre-launch. Yet is not added into the final product.

Thats the short version anyways.

Modifié par Hardwired, 23 février 2012 - 03:39 .

[nitefyre410]

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

[Blarty]

Amikae wrote...

Many people here don't get it yet, it's not about the money.

... You just wanna make the world dance, and forget about the pricetag?

[Daywalker315]

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

No, this is how it goes. BioWare tells us 9 months in advance that CE owners will get bonus DLC day 1, character and mission. It even leaks that it's a Prothean before it's taken back down. Ultimately, BioWare offers non-CE buyers the chance to buy that Prothean character and mission, along with outfits and a gun, for $10. CE buyers *almost* unanimously agree that SE owners should have to pay extra for something we paid extra to get, as it was marketed as a CE bonus and many of us bought the CE for that reason.

Then, forum member "foo man chew" and a few dozen others come on and make up unsubstantiated claims that the content was pulled from the game when it was always clearly defined as being day one DLC for the last 9 months.

That is the truth as an unbiased person would see it. Whether you're able to or not is another matter. I just have a low tolerance for nonsense and generalized hate because somebody didn't get their way.

[charginmahlaser]

Just wanted to take a moment and say thanks to Bioware and EA. It's not often that companies can come together and make such a poor decision that I decide to buy a game used and never purchase any DLC for it.

[Takamori The Templar]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

Sorry there is resourceful people that think this is bull****.
It's not because that we have plenty of money that will give freely, you need to actually show me a real decent service so I can see that the value paid is fair.

It's something that was being developed during the developing cycle, so no , its not worth 10 bucks.
And still a cheap attempt to make a quick cash , since they know that Protheans have the knowledge of all the mess that is happening on Mass Effect Story.

[mjharper]

Daywalker315 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

No, this is how it goes. BioWare tells us 9 months in advance that CE owners will get bonus DLC day 1, character and mission. It even leaks that it's a Prothean before it's taken back down. Ultimately, BioWare offers non-CE buyers the chance to buy that Prothean character and mission, along with outfits and a gun, for $10. CE buyers *almost* unanimously agree that SE owners should have to pay extra for something we paid extra to get, as it was marketed as a CE bonus and many of us bought the CE for that reason.

Then, forum member "foo man chew" and a few dozen others come on and make up unsubstantiated claims that the content was pulled from the game when it was always clearly defined as being day one DLC for the last 9 months.

That is the truth as an unbiased person would see it. Whether you're able to or not is another matter. I just have a low tolerance for nonsense and generalized hate because somebody didn't get their way.

This.

[Abirn]

Daywalker315 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

No, this is how it goes. BioWare tells us 9 months in advance that CE owners will get bonus DLC day 1, character and mission. It even leaks that it's a Prothean before it's taken back down. Ultimately, BioWare offers non-CE buyers the chance to buy that Prothean character and mission, along with outfits and a gun, for $10. CE buyers *almost* unanimously agree that SE owners should have to pay extra for something we paid extra to get, as it was marketed as a CE bonus and many of us bought the CE for that reason.

Then, forum member "foo man chew" and a few dozen others come on and make up unsubstantiated claims that the content was pulled from the game when it was always clearly defined as being day one DLC for the last 9 months.

That is the truth as an unbiased person would see it. Whether you're able to or not is another matter. I just have a low tolerance for nonsense and generalized hate because somebody didn't get their way.

If the content was created after the game was finished then it wouldn't have been accidently announced months ago because they wouldn't have known about it......  The fact is the content WAS created months ago which is the issue everyone is having.