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[Foxtrot_212]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

So you just confirmed what I said: Basically , **** the old timer fans.

I never said they didnt, I am on the stand point of supporting them paying off Licensing for using the Game Engine and spending for the sake of the economy, I mean its MONEY it only hurts you for a little bit so enjoy it and make more.

Oh of course bioware is a indie developer, they are low on resources , its not like they burned 300 MILL in SWTOR.
Oh sooo poor bioware.
This is not a AAA title, we are being so evil

I never said they werent Low on Resources, its 10 tiny bucks, that will get percentage too the store you bought it from and then the rest goes too Bioware. Thus the store makes money, Bioware makes money. With that money the store can get more products, which pays more taxes on shipping and such. Thus improving our economy abit. Same with bioware getting the money. They have to SELL the game and CONTENT to pay off the licensing for THAT game. Once we buy a certain amount of that Game, Bioware pays off Epic Games. Epic Games in turn keeps producing game engine which brings games like Badlands 2, GoW, ME, Etc. Those in turn repeat the process and KABOOM we are buying it jump starts Economy. Like I said SPENDING is how to beat a Recession. ITS ONLY MONEY IT ONLY HURTS FOR A LITTLE BIT HAVE FUN AND GO EARN MORE.

[Daywalker315]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

[Abirn]

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

Thats funny because having the digital version of the collectors edition I disagree with you.  The content was a main story based content created from the very beginning.  It should be part of the main game.  Day 1 dlc should be content created between the time the game goes gold and the release day.

[Takamori The Templar]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

So you just confirmed what I said: Basically , **** the old timer fans.

I never said they didnt, I am on the stand point of supporting them paying off Licensing for using the Game Engine and spending for the sake of the economy, I mean its MONEY it only hurts you for a little bit so enjoy it and make more.

Oh of course bioware is a indie developer, they are low on resources , its not like they burned 300 MILL in SWTOR.
Oh sooo poor bioware.
This is not a AAA title, we are being so evil

I never said they werent Low on Resources, its 10 tiny bucks, that will get percentage too the store you bought it from and then the rest goes too Bioware. Thus the store makes money, Bioware makes money. With that money the store can get more products, which pays more taxes on shipping and such. Thus improving our economy abit. Same with bioware getting the money. They have to SELL the game and CONTENT to pay off the licensing for THAT game. Once we buy a certain amount of that Game, Bioware pays off Epic Games. Epic Games in turn keeps producing game engine which brings games like Badlands 2, GoW, ME, Etc. Those in turn repeat the process and KABOOM we are buying it jump starts Economy. Like I said SPENDING is how to beat a Recession. ITS ONLY MONEY IT ONLY HURTS FOR A LITTLE BIT HAVE FUN AND GO EARN MORE.

Sorry you don't combat recession with cheap marketing.

[mjharper]

Abirn wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

No, this is how it goes. BioWare tells us 9 months in advance that CE owners will get bonus DLC day 1, character and mission. It even leaks that it's a Prothean before it's taken back down. Ultimately, BioWare offers non-CE buyers the chance to buy that Prothean character and mission, along with outfits and a gun, for $10. CE buyers *almost* unanimously agree that SE owners should have to pay extra for something we paid extra to get, as it was marketed as a CE bonus and many of us bought the CE for that reason.

Then, forum member "foo man chew" and a few dozen others come on and make up unsubstantiated claims that the content was pulled from the game when it was always clearly defined as being day one DLC for the last 9 months.

That is the truth as an unbiased person would see it. Whether you're able to or not is another matter. I just have a low tolerance for nonsense and generalized hate because somebody didn't get their way.

If the content was created after the game was finished then it wouldn't have been accidently announced months ago because they wouldn't have known about it......  The fact is the content WAS created months ago which is the issue everyone is having. 

No, the 'fact' is that they always planned to create the content, not that they created it ages ago.

Modifié par mjharper, 23 février 2012 - 03:45 .

[Gavinthelocust]

Ain't the first time they've done this.
*cough* warden's keep *cough*

[rageking]

Don't know if anyone has already posted this, but it fits perfectly:
http://dilbert.com/2012-02-19/

Also: screw Origin.

[Xellana]

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

That´s not a 3rd side. That´s the 2nd side. People who did buy the CE for this DLC were willing to pay basically 40% more than a full price game. This falls exactly under "2.)"

[Robin001]

Now : Want to play, buy DLCs.

Future : Want to play, buy patches.

[Eclipse merc]

Meh, you sold it too me. As long as it isn't 800 microsoft points or more.

[Foxtrot_212]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Well if you people read what the OP said you will note that it sounds like and from what he said The Prothean is meant to interest the Die Hard ME Fans, The ones who want to learn about the Protheans. If you want to know how the Prothean will show up I hope it is something to do with the Prothean Theory. From what I read of the OPs post is that the Prothean is not vital to the main story line of Mass Effect. Thus the Prothean is OPTIONAL content for the Die Hard Fans to learn about something.

Also Id pay extra for it for the sake of spending money in this Recession because thats what turns Recessions into Depressions by NOT Spending.

Wait so you punish your loyal fans instead of rewarding em?
NICE SODDING LOGIC MATE.

If you Watch the Marketing of ME 3 its more about bringing new people in so its more like "OH WAIT THE LOYAL FANS! DAY ONE DLC!!!!"

So you just confirmed what I said: Basically , **** the old timer fans.

I never said they didnt, I am on the stand point of supporting them paying off Licensing for using the Game Engine and spending for the sake of the economy, I mean its MONEY it only hurts you for a little bit so enjoy it and make more.

Oh of course bioware is a indie developer, they are low on resources , its not like they burned 300 MILL in SWTOR.
Oh sooo poor bioware.
This is not a AAA title, we are being so evil

I never said they werent Low on Resources, its 10 tiny bucks, that will get percentage too the store you bought it from and then the rest goes too Bioware. Thus the store makes money, Bioware makes money. With that money the store can get more products, which pays more taxes on shipping and such. Thus improving our economy abit. Same with bioware getting the money. They have to SELL the game and CONTENT to pay off the licensing for THAT game. Once we buy a certain amount of that Game, Bioware pays off Epic Games. Epic Games in turn keeps producing game engine which brings games like Badlands 2, GoW, ME, Etc. Those in turn repeat the process and KABOOM we are buying it jump starts Economy. Like I said SPENDING is how to beat a Recession. ITS ONLY MONEY IT ONLY HURTS FOR A LITTLE BIT HAVE FUN AND GO EARN MORE.

Sorry you don't combat recession with cheap marketing.

AND AGAIN I never said you do, I said that you purchase it, your paying for a LONG Series of events and actions that PAY in the long run too MORE than just you. 

[nitefyre410]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

Sorry there is resourceful people that think this is bull****.
It's not because that we have plenty of money that will give freely, you need to actually show me a real decent service so I can see that the value paid is fair.

It's something that was being developed during the developing cycle, so no , its not worth 10 bucks.
And still a cheap attempt to make a quick cash , since they know that Protheans have the knowledge of all the mess that is happening on Mass Effect Story.

 

Okay... we are agreeing with you know 

[Kasen]

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

That's pretty much how I feel about it too. I don't blame anyone for voicing their opinion, but I'm kind of surprised to see this level of outrage now, rather than several months ago when we first became aware of it. I'm sure there were some, but not like this.

[Takamori The Templar]

My sides

[Takamori The Templar]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Okay... we are agreeing with you know 

I know just making an angry statement, that im not in favour of dumb consumer policy

Modifié par Takamori The Templar, 23 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[Daywalker315]

Abirn wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

No, this is how it goes. BioWare tells us 9 months in advance that CE owners will get bonus DLC day 1, character and mission. It even leaks that it's a Prothean before it's taken back down. Ultimately, BioWare offers non-CE buyers the chance to buy that Prothean character and mission, along with outfits and a gun, for $10. CE buyers *almost* unanimously agree that SE owners should have to pay extra for something we paid extra to get, as it was marketed as a CE bonus and many of us bought the CE for that reason.

Then, forum member "foo man chew" and a few dozen others come on and make up unsubstantiated claims that the content was pulled from the game when it was always clearly defined as being day one DLC for the last 9 months.

That is the truth as an unbiased person would see it. Whether you're able to or not is another matter. I just have a low tolerance for nonsense and generalized hate because somebody didn't get their way.

If the content was created after the game was finished then it wouldn't have been accidently announced months ago because they wouldn't have known about it......  The fact is the content WAS created months ago which is the issue everyone is having. 

Being announced and being created and finished are two different things. Are you seriously that dense? So if I told you that I have a game coming out called "People are Ridiculous" and you can preorder now for release Christmas 2012 and get the special mission entitled "Common Sense", you'd totally expect that both my game and that mission are currently content complete and ready to ship? You have a brain. Use it.

They can know they're going to make something and even talk about it before it's actually written, coded, polished, and ready to play. You don't think they just make something up in their heads and it's done the next day, do you?

Modifié par Daywalker315, 23 février 2012 - 03:49 .

[Foxtrot_212]

Xellana wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

That´s not a 3rd side. That´s the 2nd side. People who did buy the CE for this DLC were willing to pay basically 40% more than a full price game. This falls exactly under "2.)"

Yes but I dont have alot of moneyand im willing to pay for a CE.
My dad used to always tell me growing up. Its only money, it only hurts for a little bit. Have Fun.....

[titoarc]

Daywalker315 wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

So this is how it goes.Bioware completes game pulls some game content sells it day one.Some people are upset feel like their being used.In comes the bioware fanboys this is great i love paying extra for content that should be in the game for free,Tells everybody else they feel entitled if they dont agree with them.All the while anybody with a spine is laughing at them for getting railroaded and still defending the people thats doing it to them all because its their favorite game franchise.But hey the people who feel like they are getting used for a cash grab are definitely in the wrong.Why would anybody say anything when they feel they are being taken advantage of.They must feel entitled right.

No, this is how it goes. BioWare tells us 9 months in advance that CE owners will get bonus DLC day 1, character and mission. It even leaks that it's a Prothean before it's taken back down. Ultimately, BioWare offers non-CE buyers the chance to buy that Prothean character and mission, along with outfits and a gun, for $10. CE buyers *almost* unanimously agree that SE owners should have to pay extra for something we paid extra to get, as it was marketed as a CE bonus and many of us bought the CE for that reason.

Then, forum member "foo man chew" and a few dozen others come on and make up unsubstantiated claims that the content was pulled from the game when it was always clearly defined as being day one DLC for the last 9 months.

That is the truth as an unbiased person would see it. Whether you're able to or not is another matter. I just have a low tolerance for nonsense and generalized hate because somebody didn't get their way.

maybe they dont like to have the chance to get it and will be happier if only the CE could .  The SE should just thank bioware for give them the chance of buying it

[Descedent]

Takamori The Templar wrote...



My sides

yup this is the gaming industry since debut of xbox 360 in 2005 and ps3 in 2006.

[nitefyre410]

Takamori The Templar wrote...



My sides

  

LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

[Daywalker315]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

That´s not a 3rd side. That´s the 2nd side. People who did buy the CE for this DLC were willing to pay basically 40% more than a full price game. This falls exactly under "2.)"

Yes but I dont have alot of moneyand im willing to pay for a CE.
My dad used to always tell me growing up. Its only money, it only hurts for a little bit. Have Fun.....

I don't have a lot of money either. I just love the ME series and wanted everything I could get for it as far as in-game content. This included the promised bonus day 1 DLC. 

I'm actually more upset because I pre-ordered on Amazon to use a bunch of trade-in credit I had and couldn't get the GameStop exclusives. And for the record, it's 33.3% more we're paying.

[Foxtrot_212]

Also have any of you considered the choices Bioware is facing with these outrages?

1. Remove the DLC from Day one DLC and make it CE Exclusive

2. Keep it up despite protests and lose a **** load of fans over something so trivial.

3. Decrease the price until AFTER release.

4. In the event they decide to give it away with the game. IT WONT BE INSIDE IT UNTIL A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW. So dont lose your little code thingy.


Because as it stands the game is probably in MOST stores around the world. Its kind of hard to add it with it.

[Goth Skunk]

Hardwired wrote...

Thats excellent way to run a company, if you like your client base to dwindle. We have all seen it time and time again. Whatever the case may be or however right the company is in their actions. The moment they take an aggressive action against their client base, the backlash from the internet as a whole is staggering. It is a surefire way to chaper 11.

That all depends on how Internet bloggers publish their headlines.

"BioWare hurls insults at critical customers, issues social site suspensions."

Or...

"BioWare delivers the smackdown; suspends abusive gamer accounts."

Since most people barely read full articles and only take what the headline says as gospel, the former headline would no doubt bring backlash from the uninvolved community, whereas the latter headline would earn quite nods of approval and respect from that very same body.

[Almostfaceman]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Being announced and being created and finished are two different things. Are you seriously that dense? So if I told you that I have a game coming out called "People are Ridiculous" and you can preorder now for release Christmas 2012 and get the special mission entitled "Common Sense", you'd totally expect that both my game and that mission are currently content complete and ready to ship? You have a brain. Use it.

They can know they're going to make something and even talk about it before it's actually written, coded, polished, and ready to play. You don't think they just make something up in their heads and it's done the next day, do you?

Moar win.