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[mjharper]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...



My sides

  

LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

Except it doesn't, because Bioware always said that the Day 1 DLC would be free for CE owners. They are not now planning to charge CE owners instead, but are offering SE owners the same DLC if they they pay.

Bioware never said that SE owners would receive the Day 1 DLC for free. And it doesn't take a genius to realise what "CE includes Day 1 DLC" and "SE (no mention of DLC)" is.

[OdanUrr]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Also have any of you considered the choices Bioware is facing with these outrages?

1. Remove the DLC from Day one DLC and make it CE Exclusive

2. Keep it up despite protests and lose a **** load of fans over something so trivial.

3. Decrease the price until AFTER release.

4. In the event they decide to give it away with the game. IT WONT BE INSIDE IT UNTIL A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW. So dont lose your little code thingy.


Because as it stands the game is probably in MOST stores around the world. Its kind of hard to add it with it.

I'm curious, in you definition of "world," exactly how many countries are in it?

[Amikae]

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.

[Hardwired]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Thats excellent way to run a company, if you like your client base to dwindle. We have all seen it time and time again. Whatever the case may be or however right the company is in their actions. The moment they take an aggressive action against their client base, the backlash from the internet as a whole is staggering. It is a surefire way to chaper 11.

That all depends on how Internet bloggers publish their headlines.

"BioWare hurls insults at critical customers, issues social site suspensions."

Or...

"BioWare delivers the smackdown; suspends abusive gamer accounts."

Since most people barely read full articles and only take what the headline says as gospel, the former headline would no doubt bring backlash from the uninvolved community, whereas the latter headline would earn quite nods of approval and respect from that very same body.

This is true to some extent. But bloggers, although having some sway, don't control the opinions exclusevly. If that were the case I rather doubt they would all type the same headlines across the board.

No, word of mouth and other social media would spread it. It would find it's way into the Escapist and Kotaku etc. These things happen quite rapidly and violently.
I figure an aggressive stance would in most cases end up hurting said company in the long run.

[Goth Skunk]

The way things are going, the critics of "From Ashes" want developers to come out and say "Okay, you know what? From now on, no more DLC. Ever. The game on the shelf is the finished product. Period. No bonus content, no expansion packs, nothing. Once it's on the shelf, we're done. Move on to the next project."

Bad decision.

HORRIBLE decision.

[Takamori The Templar]

Goth Skunk wrote...

The way things are going, the critics of "From Ashes" want developers to come out and say "Okay, you know what? From now on, no more DLC. Ever. The game on the shelf is the finished product. Period. No bonus content, no expansion packs, nothing. Once it's on the shelf, we're done. Move on to the next project."

Bad decision.

HORRIBLE decision.

Actually I would prefer it.

[Xellana]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Xellana wrote...

slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically

There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.

That´s not a 3rd side. That´s the 2nd side. People who did buy the CE for this DLC were willing to pay basically 40% more than a full price game. This falls exactly under "2.)"

Yes but I dont have alot of moneyand im willing to pay for a CE.
My dad used to always tell me growing up. Its only money, it only hurts for a little bit. Have Fun.....

I don't have a lot of money either. I just love the ME series and wanted everything I could get for it as far as in-game content. This included the promised bonus day 1 DLC. 

I'm actually more upset because I pre-ordered on Amazon to use a bunch of trade-in credit I had and couldn't get the GameStop exclusives. And for the record, it's 33.3% more we're paying.

Here in Germany it´s actually 60% more.
SE: 46,95 Euro (= 62,51 US Dollar)
CE: 74,99 Euro (= 99,84 US Dolar)

That´s exactly 59,72% more

[Goth Skunk]

Hardwired wrote...

This is true to some extent. But bloggers, although having some sway, don't control the opinions exclusevly. If that were the case I rather doubt they would all type the same headlines across the board.

No, word of mouth and other social media would spread it. It would find it's way into the Escapist and Kotaku etc. These things happen quite rapidly and violently.
I figure an aggressive stance would in most cases end up hurting said company in the long run.

It would hurt less than catering to the unreasonable demands being made in this thread, and threads of its ilk.

[Foxtrot_212]

OdanUrr wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Also have any of you considered the choices Bioware is facing with these outrages?

1. Remove the DLC from Day one DLC and make it CE Exclusive

2. Keep it up despite protests and lose a **** load of fans over something so trivial.

3. Decrease the price until AFTER release.

4. In the event they decide to give it away with the game. IT WONT BE INSIDE IT UNTIL A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW. So dont lose your little code thingy.


Because as it stands the game is probably in MOST stores around the world. Its kind of hard to add it with it.

I'm curious, in you definition of "world," exactly how many countries are in it?

Lol Not to be a smart ass but what do you think?

[Sanitys Shadow]

I don't agree with this decision by Bioware/EA at all. It is not the money that is the big deal, it is the principle of things. This is content that is done before release, found in the demo code and ready to go for day 1. I have completed 5 playthroughs of the 2 games and own all the books, but don't happen to be a collectors edition kind of person. Now you are going to charge me 10 extra dollars for content that was developed prior to the game being launched? That is a great "gift/fan service".

Other devs and publishers are going to see this now and say, "Hey we can pull content from our game too and charge extra for it." It would really suck to see this become the new standard for big title games, get most of the game for retail price and get the rest for an additional fee.

Finally Bioware/EA knew exactly what they were doing by making the character a Prothean. Sure it is none vital to the over arching main plot, but at the same time it is a link to one of the greatest mysteries in the ME universe. They know that any fan of the game is going to be interested in this character. So they call it a "fan service" but ask money for it.

This just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and because of it I have canceled my pre-order and I will be passing on the final installment of a series I love. They should have stuck to their previous model and used it as incentive to buy a new copy of the game rather than a used one. That would have been a true gift/fan service.

[Daywalker315]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Being announced and being created and finished are two different things. Are you seriously that dense? So if I told you that I have a game coming out called "People are Ridiculous" and you can preorder now for release Christmas 2012 and get the special mission entitled "Common Sense", you'd totally expect that both my game and that mission are currently content complete and ready to ship? You have a brain. Use it.

They can know they're going to make something and even talk about it before it's actually written, coded, polished, and ready to play. You don't think they just make something up in their heads and it's done the next day, do you?

Moar win. 

Thanks. I do what I can. :innocent:

[OdanUrr]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

Also have any of you considered the choices Bioware is facing with these outrages?

1. Remove the DLC from Day one DLC and make it CE Exclusive

2. Keep it up despite protests and lose a **** load of fans over something so trivial.

3. Decrease the price until AFTER release.

4. In the event they decide to give it away with the game. IT WONT BE INSIDE IT UNTIL A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW. So dont lose your little code thingy.


Because as it stands the game is probably in MOST stores around the world. Its kind of hard to add it with it.

I'm curious, in you definition of "world," exactly how many countries are in it?

Lol Not to be a smart ass but what do you think?

Less than fifty.

[Farron92]

How is it that a smaller RPG game creator like CD Projekt RED are able to release free dlc which is very similar in format to "From Ashes" (e.g. the Troll Mission, Harpy feather quest) yet Bioware, a larger more established group are selling it for $10. To me it seems that Bioware just doesn't appreciate it's supporters any more.

[mjharper]

Xellana wrote...

Here in Germany it´s actually 60% more.
SE: 46,95 Euro (= 62,51 US Dollar)
CE: 74,99 Euro (= 99,84 US Dolar)

That´s exactly 59,72% more

Sucks to live here, eh? I just hope that Origin lets me download an uncut English language version, or I'm going to be royally annoyed.

[rob593]

I'm not sure I understand why anyone would fight releasing day 1 DLC with the game for free, I don't really see any negative side to it.

Is it just that the CE owners dont wan't the SE owners to get something they... have already got? It's not like this DLC is the only thing the CE offers over the SE is it?

Wouldn't it be better for Mass Effect, Bioware and the community if it was released for free, so everybody is playing and enjoying the same game toghever at launch, as a community, isn't that why we are all here? Isn't providing two differing base products creating a rift in the community, for example those of you buying the SE will not go to the spoiler forum after launch because they haven't yet experienced the same product as the CE owners.

Must have missed something.

[Goth Skunk]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Actually I would prefer it.

So you would prefer a world where there is no:

Zaeed or Kasumi, Firewalker, bonus armor/weapons, Lair of the Shadow Broker, Arrival, or other DLC from ME2?

No Shale, Wardens Keep in Dragon Age: Origins?

No Dragon age: Awakening?

No Prince Sebastian, Tallis, or other DLC in Dragon Age 2?

[Squallypo]

 i just has to because its impossible to deny this no matter the times that it has been posted...

[Hardwired]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

This is true to some extent. But bloggers, although having some sway, don't control the opinions exclusevly. If that were the case I rather doubt they would all type the same headlines across the board.

No, word of mouth and other social media would spread it. It would find it's way into the Escapist and Kotaku etc. These things happen quite rapidly and violently.
I figure an aggressive stance would in most cases end up hurting said company in the long run.

It would hurt less than catering to the unreasonable demands being made in this thread, and threads of its ilk.

I rather doubt that. And besides, when getting into this business you have to be aware that community manager work is a very big part of that business. It didn't use to be that way, but with social medias and forums that is the case as it stands. And any company thats been around for a while knows that a disgruntled userbase is very difficult to handle.
But again, thats is the business  and how it works.

[Kasen]

mjharper wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

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My sides

  

LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

Except it doesn't, because Bioware always said that the Day 1 DLC would be free for CE owners. They are not now planning to charge CE owners instead, but are offering SE owners the same DLC if they they pay.

Bioware never said that SE owners would receive the Day 1 DLC for free. And it doesn't take a genius to realise what "CE includes Day 1 DLC" and "SE (no mention of DLC)" is.

Except it wasn't "free" for CE owners, they specifically paid extra in part for said DLC.

[Daywalker315]

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.

Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.

[TheStoner]

mjharper wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...



My sides

  

LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

Except it doesn't, because Bioware always said that the Day 1 DLC would be free for CE owners. They are not now planning to charge CE owners instead, but are offering SE owners the same DLC if they they pay.

Bioware never said that SE owners would receive the Day 1 DLC for free. And it doesn't take a genius to realise what "CE includes Day 1 DLC" and "SE (no mention of DLC)" is.

You're missing the point. People are objecting to day 1 DLC the fact that some people get it with whatever edition is literally irrelavent.

[Daywalker315]

Kasen13 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

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My sides

  

LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

Except it doesn't, because Bioware always said that the Day 1 DLC would be free for CE owners. They are not now planning to charge CE owners instead, but are offering SE owners the same DLC if they they pay.

Bioware never said that SE owners would receive the Day 1 DLC for free. And it doesn't take a genius to realise what "CE includes Day 1 DLC" and "SE (no mention of DLC)" is.

Except it wasn't "free" for CE owners, they specifically paid extra in part for said DLC.

You and mjharper are making the same point here I think. Both defending the fact that CE owners paid for something and SE shouldn't get it for free.

[Hibernating]

Cheers bioware, this sounds great. Ignore the rage, you always said that you were including a exclusive character in the CE edition and fans would have raged regardless of who it was.

[Takamori The Templar]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Actually I would prefer it.

So you would prefer a world where there is no:

Zaeed or Kasumi, Firewalker, bonus armor/weapons, Lair of the Shadow Broker, Arrival, or other DLC from ME2?

No Shale, Wardens Keep in Dragon Age: Origins?

No Dragon age: Awakening?

No Prince Sebastian, Tallis, or other DLC in Dragon Age 2?

Sure.
And btw Shale and Zaeed was a method to avoid used games.
So they technically would be there if there wasn't any dlc .
I wouldn't miss at all those content.
And before you say oh then you didn't play it at all.
I did for DA:O, ME1 and ME2.
DA2 was a piece of **** an abortion made by bioware that I had the displeasure of playing it so didn't get any of the DLC made (thank god that I only paid 20 bucks)

[Kasen]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

mjharper wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

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My sides

  

LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

Except it doesn't, because Bioware always said that the Day 1 DLC would be free for CE owners. They are not now planning to charge CE owners instead, but are offering SE owners the same DLC if they they pay.

Bioware never said that SE owners would receive the Day 1 DLC for free. And it doesn't take a genius to realise what "CE includes Day 1 DLC" and "SE (no mention of DLC)" is.

Except it wasn't "free" for CE owners, they specifically paid extra in part for said DLC.

You and mjharper are making the same point here I think. Both defending the fact that CE owners paid for something and SE shouldn't get it for free.

You're right, I was just trying to correct the "free" part. It was never free, it was part of the cost of the CE.

Edited for clarification.

Modifié par Kasen13, 23 février 2012 - 04:10 .