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Goth Skunk wrote...

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Actually I would prefer it.


So you would prefer a world where there is no:

Zaeed or Kasumi, Firewalker, bonus armor/weapons, Lair of the Shadow Broker, Arrival, or other DLC from ME2?

No Shale, Wardens Keep in Dragon Age: Origins?

No Dragon age: Awakening?

No Prince Sebastian, Tallis, or other DLC in Dragon Age 2?


Here's the thing OP ... if you prefer not having those things, don't buy them. You can still play the complete and fully functional main game without any of it. For those of us who like having those options, I'm glad they get made and I will keep buying them when I think it will increase my enjoyment of a game.

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Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.


Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.


well perhaps if you had a different attitude towards this and actually join other people by not buying first day dlc they wouldnt be "forcing" you to not buy the dlc to actually get a "better experience" of the game. seriously they throw candies at you and you just take them that easy? oh dear, they play us so easy.

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Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.


Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.


You expect over 6x the amount of people who boycott the game to buy the dlc? because thats what it would take to make a profit.

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Also have any of you considered the choices Bioware is facing with these outrages?

1. Remove the DLC from Day one DLC and make it CE Exclusive

2. Keep it up despite protests and lose a **** load of fans over something so trivial.

3. Decrease the price until AFTER release.

4. In the event they decide to give it away with the game. IT WONT BE INSIDE IT UNTIL A FEW MONTHS FROM NOW. So dont lose your little code thingy.


Because as it stands the game is probably in MOST stores around the world. Its kind of hard to add it with it.


I'm curious, in you definition of "world," exactly how many countries are in it?


Lol Not to be a smart ass but what do you think?


Less than fifty.:D


Exactly lol, Thanks for the laugh in the middle of all this raging.

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Xellana wrote...

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slowly I begin to see the picture here.

There are 2 sides:

1.) People who see 50 Euro as a big investment and want a whole game for it, including everything developed up to the release date

2.) People who dont care about money (probably because they have too much of it) and would pay any price to play the game. Those people defend this kind of DLC policy.

 

Basically


There's a 3rd side. I call it the rational side. That side is this: This DLC has been marketed for 9 months as a CE bonus day 1 DLC. Many of us bought the CE mostly due to that fact. The rational people shouldn't expect to get something for free that the tens or hundreds of thousands of CE owners paid for.


That´s not a 3rd side. That´s the 2nd side. People who did buy the CE for this DLC were willing to pay basically 40% more than a full price game. This falls exactly under "2.)"


Yes but I dont have alot of moneyand im willing to pay for a CE.
My dad used to always tell me growing up. Its only money, it only hurts for a little bit. Have Fun.....


I don't have a lot of money either. I just love the ME series and wanted everything I could get for it as far as in-game content. This included the promised bonus day 1 DLC. 

I'm actually more upset because I pre-ordered on Amazon to use a bunch of trade-in credit I had and couldn't get the GameStop exclusives. And for the record, it's 33.3% more we're paying.


Here in Germany it´s actually 60% more.
SE: 46,95 Euro (= 62,51 US Dollar)
CE: 74,99 Euro (= 99,84 US Dolar)

That´s exactly 59,72% more


Yeah but you Germans don't matter! You'll only buy like 10,000 copies over there anyway! (joke) 

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BW, remember that people can play the game with all the DLCs at their friends house for free.

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It's funny how some people *cough*Imperium Alpha*cough* actually get off by people having trouble accepting something. Actually it's sad that this is the highlight of his day, but oh well not all people have friends in RL.

Anyway, I think that day 1 DLCs are wrong in the first place, I remember when I bought Baldur's gate II and what I got for the price I paid. Back then if I convert it to €, I paid about 35€ for a HUGE game I thouroughly enjoyed and when an expansion pack came, no one complained and many bought it, because it brought an additional value to the game. The problem with most people don't seem to be that a character is included in this DLC, the problem seems to be that it's a Prothean because the lore in the game makes them incredibly important. So it may just be, that the problem is just a poor choice of character's race, I doubt complaints'd be this many if the character was another Turian or a Human.

What makes it even worse, the explanation given by Bioware, which does try to calm down its fans is a bit of a critical miss too. Some fans feel offended by "a true fan will have a CE anyway" because it's simply not true. From what I know (not my case) some people saved up their scholarships to buy Mass Effect 2 when it came out, a regular edition, and gave their money with pleasure, trusting in Bioware... Then they bought DLC's for it too because it gave just what I mentioned before, ADDITIONAL VALUE. You have to remember, for some of your fans 50€ means chosing between your game and something else, not all people live in conditions in which they can just say "oh screw it, we'll just buy everything", so the "true fans are CE" is just wrong. And while this character apparently being in a leaked script (I don't know, I didn't read it) is really not a deffinitive proof that he was intended for a full game it does prove he was in some serious considerations and that you guys probably wanted him to be a part of a full product and saying otherwise makes you loose credibility of your fans, you have to know they are angry and even saying something that is just half a lie makes them believe it's a straight on blatant lie. And yes, maybe now you will earn more money with that DLC, sure, but then again what about long term? You will have some mighty dissapointed fans, if the Prothean turns out to be a dissapointment of a character then from people who paid for the expansion and if he turns out awesome and even a little bit important for the story then from others. Believe me, coming from C&C community getting fans back on your side is TOUGH, after what your collegues pulled with the 4th installment of our beloved franchise there is still such resentment from the fans you wouldn't believe.

This may be TL;DR to many but yeah, guy look you still have much respect from gaming community and you are one of the rare developers to have that luxury. Like I said, the DLC character may just be a poor choice of race, but long-term is it really worth alienating and not only that, splitting your fanbase on two sides, over this character, you yourselves label as "not important for the story"? Then give the people who will buy this first day DLC I still think is just wrong, I mean come on start milking the game on the first day, real nice, something else. Soundtrack was mentioned and I'm sure it would be a nice addition. Will I buy ME 3? I have it pre-ordered at one of our stores so yes, but remember a good reputation is worth more long-term than making your community and loyal fanbase thinking you've abandoned your good bussines practice.

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Korvmannen wrote...

BW, remember that people can play the game with all the DLCs at their friends house for free.


There is people that can play the game for free at all and they are not being punished, as for the honest consumers , we get ****ed in the arse

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I rather doubt that. And besides, when getting into this business you have to be aware that community manager work is a very big part of that business. It didn't use to be that way, but with social medias and forums that is the case as it stands. And any company thats been around for a while knows that a disgruntled userbase is very difficult to handle.
But again, thats is the business  and how it works.


The job of the community manager is ultimately to mitigate risk. Yes, a developer wants to have feedback from its fans, but clearly, there is some feedback out there that is just so outrageous that it's better if it's outright ignored. Now, the guy being ignored doesn't like to know that, and raises a stink. Do you try to appease him? No, you do not. You carry on. Trying to please everybody is the formula for failure.

You want to please as many people as possible, compromising where you can on what you can, but you also want to optimize the return on money invested in the game. If 10% of the community is adamantly vocally critical about Day 1 DLC and they DO cancel their pre-orders because of it, but 70% of the community buys the DLC without batting an eyelash, you ignore the 10% whining and bite that bullet.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 23 février 2012 - 04:10 .


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Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.


Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.


Oh no, I won't be missing anything. See I was buying BioWare products because I respect them and want to support them. I can play any game for free, you know? It doesn't bother me. The average salary in my country is 250$ a Month. I make much more than that, still it sickens me to pay 10$ for a piece of **** DLC, when people around here don't have enough money to live properly. So damn it all, I am not supporting a bunch of rich dudes who want to get even more wealthy. It's not fair.

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Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.


Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.


That is a very slanted way of viewing it.

As the consumer you are the one with the power. You have the power of deciding over if and when you hand you money over, and to whom. Be it one person, a hundred people or a thousand. Thats the power of the consumer.

Now on it's own, Amikae's post doesn't mean much in terms of revnue. Now add me as I also have decided not to give my money to Bioware as a result of what I belive to be a faulty businessmodel. Thats two of us.
Where there are two there are more.

What you have to consider is that at any given time, only a small portion of a userbase vent their opions on a forum. So out of those here that have decided not to buy the game, there will be several others that are not here and have reached the same conclusion.
At this point in time it is impossible to tell what impact this will have, but trust me. In most cases these things have a noticable impact.

And at the end of the day it's a matter of personal choise and living with it. I feel right by my decition, and that is my choise as a consumer.

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Daywalker315 wrote...
Yeah but you Germans don't matter! You'll only buy like 10,000 copies over there anyway! (joke)


lol, nice one :) That really made me laugh :D

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

BW, remember that people can play the game with all the DLCs at their friends house for free.


There is people that can play the game for free at all and they are not being punished, as for the honest consumers , we get ****ed in the arse

Indeed.

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I've purchased ME series on Both 360 and On Comp and all the various DLC and specials from ME2.  I've preordered the N7 Edition of the game, so I'll be getting this automatically but I really dislike something so important to the lore as a Prothean Teamate as optional. While I enjoyed most of the DLC thats come out.  I really dislike the general shifty nature of Bioware since EA arrived with all the codes and "perk" dlc and this latest one left a bad taste in my mouth coupled with a terrible experience with Origin while trying to purchase Knights of the Old Republic and ensuing customer support or lack  of it.  I absolutely LOVE the Mass Effect series, but I can no longer support the path Bioware is taking and this will be my final purchase if things keep going like this.

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TheStoner wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.


Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.


You expect over 6x the amount of people who boycott the game to buy the dlc? because thats what it would take to make a profit.


Absolutely. The rabid posters on this board make up a small percentage of the actual buyers of the game. Let's say even 5%, or roughly 50,000 people cancel their preorders over this (I don't even see that many happening). All it takes is for roughly 31% (ish, depending on split with MS and Sony) of the remaining customers to purchase the DLC. I can see that happening. Moreso, I only see about 2-3% of people actually cancelling a preorder over this anyway. Not everyone is as ridiculous as everyone posting here. Many people will simply still buy the game and not buy the DLC. Hell, many people will be completely oblivious to the fact this topic is even taking place right now.

Don't act like this movement is taking over the world and it's going to cripple ME3 sales. You'd be 100% wrong.

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

BW, remember that people can play the game with all the DLCs at their friends house for free.


There is people that can play the game for free at all and they are not being punished, as for the honest consumers , we get ****ed in the arse


i was going to say that, those people just simply download the dlc from sites and well play them for free either on pc or xbox so you see we the loyal fans always end up loosing... while other nabs dont.

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

BW, remember that people can play the game with all the DLCs at their friends house for free.


There is people that can play the game for free at all and they are not being punished, as for the honest consumers , we get ****ed in the arse


My point exactly... It hurts those who buy their own copy of their game instead of playing it at a friends house. So yeah, this is what drives people to play games over at friends since it provides a better product.

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Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

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UGH.

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TheStoner wrote...

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LOL  ... yeah thats sums it up

Except it doesn't, because Bioware always said that the Day 1 DLC would be free for CE owners. They are not now planning to charge CE owners instead, but are offering SE owners the same DLC if they they pay.

Bioware never said that SE owners would receive the Day 1 DLC for free. And it doesn't take a genius to realise what "CE includes Day 1 DLC" and "SE (no mention of DLC)" is.


You're missing the point. People are objecting to day 1 DLC the fact that some people get it with whatever edition is literally irrelavent.

I disagree. It is relevant, because it was always advertised as being part of the CE, which people can choose to pay $20 extra for.

Bioware has always been up front about what the deal was, and they're done the same thing before, so it wasn't hard to figure out.

The only thing that is 'new' here is that Bioware have announced that content which was previously only mentioned in connection with the CE will also be available as a Day 1 DLC.

Bioware have not changed their policy, they have not sprung something new on us, they have not forced you to pay more money. They have clarified what anyone who actually looked at what they were purchasing knew anyway: that some of the content for the CE will be available to SE owners as DLC.

Objecting to the principle of Day 1 DLC is one thing, and is a fair point for discussion. Confusing that with how Bioware have dealt with the issue in this particular case is something entirely different.

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Evil Chris is locking threads. Maybe he'll stop by and have a chat with us?:o

PS: I wouldn't recommend it though.:blush:

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Takamori The Templar wrote...

Sure.
And btw Shale and Zaeed was a method to avoid used games.
So they technically would be there if there wasn't any dlc ;).
I wouldn't miss at all those content.
And before you say oh then you didn't play it at all.
I did for DA:O, ME1 and ME2.
DA2 was a piece of **** an abortion made by bioware that I had the displeasure of playing it so didn't get any of the DLC made (thank god that I only paid 20 bucks)


Then don't buy them!

You're not being forced to buy any DLC to play the game. You're missing out on some kick-ass content, but that's your choice.

And shut up about Dragon Age 2. Your further opinions are now invalid.

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Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?


Because this is plain bull**** made by Bioware.

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Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?


Whinging.<_<

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look at this