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[Hardwired]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

I rather doubt that. And besides, when getting into this business you have to be aware that community manager work is a very big part of that business. It didn't use to be that way, but with social medias and forums that is the case as it stands. And any company thats been around for a while knows that a disgruntled userbase is very difficult to handle.
But again, thats is the business  and how it works.

The job of the community manager is ultimately to mitigate risk. Yes, a developer wants to have feedback from its fans, but clearly, there is some feedback out there that is just so outrageous that it's better if it's outright ignored. Now, the guy being ignored doesn't like to know that, and raises a stink. Do you try to appease him? No, you do not. You carry on. Trying to please everybody is the formula for failure.

You want to please as many people as possible, compromising where you can on what you can, but you also want to optimize the return on money invested in the game. If 10% of the community is adamantly vocally critical about Day 1 DLC and they DO cancel their pre-orders because of it, but 70% of the community buys the DLC without batting an eyelash, you ignore the 10% whining and bite that bullet.

We are in pretty much the same agreement here. Though I belive the % number of cancelled buys may be higher. And even if it isn't, 10% is a hell of a big deal in terms of future revenue.
But I digress.

The original question was that an aggressive "f*ck you stance" would have a major negative effect on the company. And we kinda moved beyond that at this point I think.

[Squallypo]

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

[Korvmannen]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

Because this is plain bull**** made by Bioware.

Well it's not illegal to play the game over at a friend, you get the cake but don't have to eat it, but BW/EA will be short due to pulling off a d*** move

[Matt VT Schlo]

As a Collector Edition owner myself, I am just gonna say to Bioware, 'Thank you'

Modifié par Matt VT Schlo, 23 février 2012 - 04:21 .

[mjharper]

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we some gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

Corrected.

[Daywalker315]

Hardwired wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.

Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.

That is a very slanted way of viewing it.

As the consumer you are the one with the power. You have the power of deciding over if and when you hand you money over, and to whom. Be it one person, a hundred people or a thousand. Thats the power of the consumer.

Now on it's own, Amikae's post doesn't mean much in terms of revnue. Now add me as I also have decided not to give my money to Bioware as a result of what I belive to be a faulty businessmodel. Thats two of us.
Where there are two there are more.

What you have to consider is that at any given time, only a small portion of a userbase vent their opions on a forum. So out of those here that have decided not to buy the game, there will be several others that are not here and have reached the same conclusion.
At this point in time it is impossible to tell what impact this will have, but trust me. In most cases these things have a noticable impact.

And at the end of the day it's a matter of personal choise and living with it. I feel right by my decition, and that is my choise as a consumer.

Yes, and I have the power to support the game series I love and the studio who spent tens of millions of dollars to make it. I also know that it's not inherently wrong of them to offer bonus content to CE buyers and then make it available to other people for a price. That is well within their rights. It's also perfectly viable for you to buy the game and not the DLC. I can promise you won't be missing THAT much. Watch the Prothean comments about Prothean civilization on YouTube the day after launch. Other than that, it will be one mission and otherwise he will be a squad mate like any other.

I also know that in reality, it's likely that no more than 5% of people will cancel a preorder over this because it's simply not THAT big a deal to most people to have optional content available. If 31% of customers buy the DLC, they still come out ahead on money. That impact you think it will have will be minimal at best.

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

???
It's been well known for 8 motnhs now when Chris accidently posted there will be prothean squadmate and bonus mission exclusively for CE edition.

[TK Dude]

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

*Facepalm*
Criticizing this business act is one thing, comparing it to rape is deprived and very low for any human.

[shaneho78]

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

TotalHalibut <_<

[-Jaren-]

I, like any true fan of ME (with money), purchased my CE in November. What's that? $20.00 whole dollars?! (NA version) Omg I'll drive a little less/budget for it/not eat as much fast food. Jeez people. Get a grip. You don't want to buy it and show support for one of the greatest game franchises we have ever had the fortune of playing? Don't.

Read about it on day 2 of release or watch it on Youtube.

[N7Raider]

It's kinda funny how there's this huge sh!tstorm over $10 day 1 dlc, I mean when Gears 3 came out and it offered $90 of day 1 dlc the Epic boards weren't ****ing any where near this much. Now I'm assuming the Prothean is in the game regardless of whether or not you get the dlc, so what exactly is the problem here?

[Squallypo]

mjharper wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we some gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

Corrected.

i dont see why you take their side into this matter so your okay with giving money for something that should have been included in the game ? its not just some random character like zaed was... its a prothean, plus dlc day 1 is never a yes, but okay bioware representative. 

[Hardwired]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.

Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.

That is a very slanted way of viewing it.

As the consumer you are the one with the power. You have the power of deciding over if and when you hand you money over, and to whom. Be it one person, a hundred people or a thousand. Thats the power of the consumer.

Now on it's own, Amikae's post doesn't mean much in terms of revnue. Now add me as I also have decided not to give my money to Bioware as a result of what I belive to be a faulty businessmodel. Thats two of us.
Where there are two there are more.

What you have to consider is that at any given time, only a small portion of a userbase vent their opions on a forum. So out of those here that have decided not to buy the game, there will be several others that are not here and have reached the same conclusion.
At this point in time it is impossible to tell what impact this will have, but trust me. In most cases these things have a noticable impact.

And at the end of the day it's a matter of personal choise and living with it. I feel right by my decition, and that is my choise as a consumer.

Yes, and I have the power to support the game series I love and the studio who spent tens of millions of dollars to make it. I also know that it's not inherently wrong of them to offer bonus content to CE buyers and then make it available to other people for a price. That is well within their rights. It's also perfectly viable for you to buy the game and not the DLC. I can promise you won't be missing THAT much. Watch the Prothean comments about Prothean civilization on YouTube the day after launch. Other than that, it will be one mission and otherwise he will be a squad mate like any other.

I also know that in reality, it's likely that no more than 5% of people will cancel a preorder over this because it's simply not THAT big a deal to most people to have optional content available. If 31% of customers buy the DLC, they still come out ahead on money. That impact you think it will have will be minimal at best.

A fair point. In the end we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

[Descedent]

shaneho78 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

TotalHalibut <_<

Totalbiscuit, the cynical brit.  The man's opinions on the internet are very moving, he alone on his video about FOV in darkness 2 is getting the developers to patch it in because he has hundreds of thousands of viewers listening to him say don't buy darkness 2 cause it is not a proper port!  Now it's don't buy ME3.  The cynicalbrit whether you like him or not is like a earthquake on the internet.

[H1natachan]

Money grab is blatant money grab, no matter how its looked at, Shouldve really been added as a incentive for buying new copy as opposed to secondhand copy.

[OdanUrr]

N7Raider wrote...

It's kinda funny how there's this huge sh!tstorm over $10 day 1 dlc, I mean when Gears 3 came out and it offered $90 of day 1 dlc the Epic boards weren't ****ing any where near this much. Now I'm assuming the Prothean is in the game regardless of whether or not you get the dlc, so what exactly is the problem here?

I called it in the Off-Topic forums at the time. Nobody cared.<_<

[Squallypo]

TK Dude wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

*Facepalm*
Criticizing this business act is one thing, comparing it to rape is deprived and very low for any human.

excuse me for not using the term that other people around here does which is = ea/bioware bending us over stripping our money down. thats it right ? im sorry the r@pe word doesnt sound better.

Modifié par Squallypo, 23 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[PnXMarcin1PL]

Squallypo wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

*Facepalm*
Criticizing this business act is one thing, comparing it to rape is deprived and very low for any human.

excuse me for not using the term that other people around here does which is = ea/bioware bending us over stripping our money down. thats it right ? im sorry the r@pe word doesnt sound better.

reposting again

???
It's been well known for 8 motnhs now when Chris accidently
posted there will be prothean squadmate and bonus mission exclusively
for CE edition.

[TK Dude]

Squallypo: Thank you. That's much better.

[Kroepoek]

Descedent wrote...

shaneho78 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

TotalHalibut <_<

Totalbiscuit, the cynical brit.  The man's opinions on the internet are very moving, he alone on his video about FOV in darkness 2 is getting the developers to patch it in because he has hundreds of thousands of viewers listening to him say don't buy darkness 2 cause it is not a proper port!  Now it's don't buy ME3.  The cynicalbrit whether you like him or not is like a earthquake on the internet.

EA/Bioware won't change a thing. They know most of the Biobabbies will buy it regardless of the principles. Why? It's Bioware!

[Squallypo]

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

*Facepalm*
Criticizing this business act is one thing, comparing it to rape is deprived and very low for any human.

excuse me for not using the term that other people around here does which is = ea/bioware bending us over stripping our money down. thats it right ? im sorry the r@pe word doesnt sound better.

reposting again

???
It's been well known for 8 motnhs now when Chris accidently
posted there will be prothean squadmate and bonus mission exclusively
for CE edition.

i did not repost to you ? and so im guessing you knew 8 months ago that there was going to be a day 1 dlc and that it was going to be the prothean ? oh okay thanks 

[-Jaren-]

wiggles89 wrote...

-Jaren- wrote...

I, like any true fan of ME (with money), purchased my CE in November. What's that? $20.00 whole dollars?! (NA version) Omg I'll drive a little less/budget for it/not eat as much fast food. Jeez people. Get a grip. You don't want to buy it and show support for one of the greatest game franchises we have ever had the fortune of playing? Don't.

Read about it on day 2 of release or watch it on Youtube.

You're so cool

lol

[Squallypo]

TK Dude wrote...

Squallypo: Thank you. That's much better.

your welcome did not meant to offend anyone with the word