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[PnXMarcin1PL]

Squallypo wrote...

PnXMarcin1PL wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

*Facepalm*
Criticizing this business act is one thing, comparing it to rape is deprived and very low for any human.

excuse me for not using the term that other people around here does which is = ea/bioware bending us over stripping our money down. thats it right ? im sorry the r@pe word doesnt sound better.

reposting again

???
It's been well known for 8 motnhs now when Chris accidently
posted there will be prothean squadmate and bonus mission exclusively
for CE edition.

i did not repost to you ? and so im guessing you knew 8 months ago that there was going to be a day 1 dlc and that it was going to be the prothean ? oh okay thanks 

im not the only one who knew, it was an accidental leak that has been corrected 5 minutes after the fact

[fropas]

H1natachan wrote...

Money grab is blatant money grab, no matter how its looked at, Shouldve really been added as a incentive for buying new copy as opposed to secondhand copy.

They  are not "grabbing" your money. You are paying 60$ for the standard version of the game. They are giving you the SE version of the game. They never promised you a prothy squad-mate. You have  the option to buy him. This is not a "cash-grab" they are not changing the price of the SE. You are not entitled to free DLC simply because it's important "lore". You can beat the reapers without him. 

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 04:23 .

[Daywalker315]

Hardwired wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

Finally decided and cancelled my preorder. TotalBiscuit is absolutely right. As painful as this is, it's for the best.

Wow, so ridiculous to cancel a pre-order over this. Especially if it's "painful" to do so. Whatever, your loss. BioWare will still make more money on the DLC sales than they will lose from people like you not buying the game. But hey, you can do whatever you want. You'll be the one missing out on completing all your Shepard stories though, not me.

That is a very slanted way of viewing it.

As the consumer you are the one with the power. You have the power of deciding over if and when you hand you money over, and to whom. Be it one person, a hundred people or a thousand. Thats the power of the consumer.

Now on it's own, Amikae's post doesn't mean much in terms of revnue. Now add me as I also have decided not to give my money to Bioware as a result of what I belive to be a faulty businessmodel. Thats two of us.
Where there are two there are more.

What you have to consider is that at any given time, only a small portion of a userbase vent their opions on a forum. So out of those here that have decided not to buy the game, there will be several others that are not here and have reached the same conclusion.
At this point in time it is impossible to tell what impact this will have, but trust me. In most cases these things have a noticable impact.

And at the end of the day it's a matter of personal choise and living with it. I feel right by my decition, and that is my choise as a consumer.

Yes, and I have the power to support the game series I love and the studio who spent tens of millions of dollars to make it. I also know that it's not inherently wrong of them to offer bonus content to CE buyers and then make it available to other people for a price. That is well within their rights. It's also perfectly viable for you to buy the game and not the DLC. I can promise you won't be missing THAT much. Watch the Prothean comments about Prothean civilization on YouTube the day after launch. Other than that, it will be one mission and otherwise he will be a squad mate like any other.

I also know that in reality, it's likely that no more than 5% of people will cancel a preorder over this because it's simply not THAT big a deal to most people to have optional content available. If 31% of customers buy the DLC, they still come out ahead on money. That impact you think it will have will be minimal at best.

A fair point. In the end we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Ultimately this all got a lot of play due to TotalHalibut's oddly large fan club, which is odd because I'd never even heard of the guy. So he stirred up some emotions in people and got the butthurt started but this wasn't just sprung on people. Anybody who pays attention and has really followed the game's progress would have known this DLC was day 1 for CE for the last 9 months (or at least since November when they did the CE reveal video) and should have been prepared for the possibility they might be able to buy it separately. People who have reasonable viewpoints should not be so over the top. Could it have been handled better? Probably. But it wasn't sprung on anyone unexpectedly. It's been known this has been coming for months. BW made every effort to let people know that fact. If people didn't inform themselves and now feel cheated, that's their own fault TBH.

[Iakus]

Gonna repost this from another thread:

I'm holding off final judgement on the DLC until I learn more, but I think the sentiment of teh OP is certainly understandable.

I mean, it's no big deal if a paid DLC offers a weapon as well as a characer. Kasumi and the Locust, while handy, didn't detract from the game by their absence.

And alternate appearances, while wonderful to have (assuming they're more than simple recolors like the CE appearances) also don't really alter the game itself.

The big deal is the choice of this characer: a Prothean. A real Prothean, not a Collector remnant. This is no merc or thief for hire. This is a member of a species believed extinct for 50,000 years. Definitely a WTF moment here to have that confirmed.

The Protheans were the last species to fight the Reapers, and who gave the current crop of races the opportunity to save themselves from the same fate. How can such a being not be important in the war against the Reapers?

Anyway, like I said, I'm waiting on more info before I go more than "Huh"

[bennyjammin79]

The PLC wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

Whinging.<_<

Not really. People have every right to be mad about this.

No, they don't. 

[mjharper]

Squallypo wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

because we some gamers/consumers are upset against Bioware by doing this kind of r@pe toward to us. 

Corrected.

i dont see why you take their side into this matter so your okay with giving money for something that should have been included in the game ? its not just some random character like zaed was... its a prothean, plus dlc day 1 is never a yes, but okay bioware representative. 

"should have been included in the game" - that's the problem. Who says it should have been included? As I and others are tired of saying, this 'DLC' was announced months ago as being a part of the CE. It has always been clear that it wasn't going to be part of the SE. Should, could, would are irrelevant. 

[Shatterhand1701]

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Really?  You were there?  Do you work for Bioware or for any other major game manunfacturer?  Or are you just saying that because of butthurt over $10 of optional content?

[Daywalker315]

Hardwired wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Hardwired wrote...

I rather doubt that. And besides, when getting into this business you have to be aware that community manager work is a very big part of that business. It didn't use to be that way, but with social medias and forums that is the case as it stands. And any company thats been around for a while knows that a disgruntled userbase is very difficult to handle.
But again, thats is the business  and how it works.

The job of the community manager is ultimately to mitigate risk. Yes, a developer wants to have feedback from its fans, but clearly, there is some feedback out there that is just so outrageous that it's better if it's outright ignored. Now, the guy being ignored doesn't like to know that, and raises a stink. Do you try to appease him? No, you do not. You carry on. Trying to please everybody is the formula for failure.

You want to please as many people as possible, compromising where you can on what you can, but you also want to optimize the return on money invested in the game. If 10% of the community is adamantly vocally critical about Day 1 DLC and they DO cancel their pre-orders because of it, but 70% of the community buys the DLC without batting an eyelash, you ignore the 10% whining and bite that bullet.

We are in pretty much the same agreement here. Though I belive the % number of cancelled buys may be higher. And even if it isn't, 10% is a hell of a big deal in terms of future revenue.
But I digress.

The original question was that an aggressive "f*ck you stance" would have a major negative effect on the company. And we kinda moved beyond that at this point I think.

It will be far less than 10%. Bank on it.

[N7Raider]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

Whinging.<_<

Not really. People have every right to be mad about this.

No, they don't. 

agreed, major self intitlement problems.  

[Kyle_Evanick]

Long time lurker, coming out for this simple (I think) question: is 'From Ashes' the same exact thing as 'From Dust'? Is it a simple rename or is 'From Dust' something else entirely?

[Korvmannen]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

shaneho78 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

TotalHalibut <_<

Totalbiscuit, the cynical brit.  The man's opinions on the internet are very moving, he alone on his video about FOV in darkness 2 is getting the developers to patch it in because he has hundreds of thousands of viewers listening to him say don't buy darkness 2 cause it is not a proper port!  Now it's don't buy ME3.  The cynicalbrit whether you like him or not is like a earthquake on the internet.

EA/Bioware won't change a thing. They know most of the Biobabbies will buy it regardless of the principles. Why? It's Bioware!

That's not healthy, it will strain on the "Biobabbies" and get bad rep from outsiders. EA/Dice did change the pre-order stuff for BF3, so don't be too sure. Once they realize that people can play it for free at a friends house (and more so in this case as ME3 is single player, not multiplayer centered) one computer with the game on it is enough as you and your friends can take turns. They may actually be gaining less profit due to pushing too hard.

Modifié par Korvmannen, 23 février 2012 - 04:27 .

[Kroepoek]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Really?  You were there?  Do you work for Bioware or for any other major game manunfacturer?  Or are you just saying that because of butthurt over $10 of optional content?

Really? You were there? Do you work for Bioware or any other major game manunfacturer? Or are you just saying that they are correct without knowing jack all?

[Squallypo]

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Really?  You were there?  Do you work for Bioware or for any other major game manunfacturer?  Or are you just saying that because of butthurt over $10 of optional content?

and you counter this by saying that you were there and not the other person ? hmm seems logical very elemental

[Yuoaman]

Kyle_Evanick wrote...

Long time lurker, coming out for this simple (I think) question: is 'From Ashes' the same exact thing as 'From Dust'? Is it a simple rename or is 'From Dust' something else entirely?

'From Dust' doesn't exist, this is the DLC here.

[Goth Skunk]

Hardwired wrote...

We are in pretty much the same agreement here. Though I belive the % number of cancelled buys may be higher. And even if it isn't, 10% is a hell of a big deal in terms of future revenue.
But I digress.

The original question was that an aggressive "f*ck you stance" would have a major negative effect on the company. And we kinda moved beyond that at this point I think.

On the contrary.

If Bioware adopted that stance, I would applaud. Not in general, of course. Just against those being completely unreasonable.

[Kasen]

bennyjammin79 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

bennyjammin79 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Can someone explain me why this topic has got 145 pages in 18 hours ?

Whinging.<_<

Not really. People have every right to be mad about this.

No, they don't. 

I think they have a right to an opinion (Day 1 DLC in general is a legitimate topic of debate, imo), but there's an awful lot on this particular subject that is based on rumors and inaccurate interpretations at this point.

[Trakarg]

Well, it's getting easier and easier for me to pass on mass effect 3.

Characters I like are just going to be temp or cameos...

Nonsensical race/class restrictions in multiplayer:  No krogan vanguard?  So why was wrex and half the krogan we run into ingame biotic?  Oh, but they said they'll add it and other multiplayer stuff in later!  Yeah, for a fee.

Day 1 DLC with plot-relevant, exclusive character?  Nickle and diming out the wazzoo.

Origin only?

[Daywalker315]

Kyle_Evanick wrote...

Long time lurker, coming out for this simple (I think) question: is 'From Ashes' the same exact thing as 'From Dust'? Is it a simple rename or is 'From Dust' something else entirely?

It was never actually called "From Dust" officially, but yes, it's the same thing.

[Robin001]

Look at this :


Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3



  

[mjharper]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Ultimately this all got a lot of play due to TotalHalibut's oddly large fan club, which is odd because I'd never even heard of the guy. So he stirred up some emotions in people and got the butthurt started but this wasn't just sprung on people. Anybody who pays attention and has really followed the game's progress would have known this DLC was day 1 for CE for the last 9 months (or at least since November when they did the CE reveal video) and should have been prepared for the possibility they might be able to buy it separately. People who have reasonable viewpoints should not be so over the top. Could it have been handled better? Probably. But it wasn't sprung on anyone unexpectedly. It's been known this has been coming for months. BW made every effort to let people know that fact. If people didn't inform themselves and now feel cheated, that's their own fault TBH.

I do follow TotalBiscuit, watching most videos he releases. I watched the video in question, and he is acting in accordance with principles which he's stated repeatedly over the last months. I disagree with him on this particular case, but at least he is trying to be consistent. He also despises the idea of 'entitlement' which is what most of the people here are whining about, and wrongly citing him in support of their 'complaints'.

[Kroepoek]

At least Bobby Kotick is being honest and tells flat out he's milking and his main concern is making money.

Gotta respect that.

[Kyle_Evanick]

Yuoaman wrote...

Kyle_Evanick wrote...

Long time lurker, coming out for this simple (I think) question: is 'From Ashes' the same exact thing as 'From Dust'? Is it a simple rename or is 'From Dust' something else entirely?

'From Dust' doesn't exist, this is the DLC here.

Ah, thanks. I got a little confused because a while back there was some topic related to something named 'From Dust.'

[Goth Skunk]

Robin001 wrote...

Look at this :


Why I think Bioware has gone too far with Mass Effect 3



  

Where is my goddamn banhammer...