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[Paragon Auducan]

The point is a Prothean SHOULD be super important to the plot if Bioware decided to bring one back to life which they did.

That being the case he should be in the game regardless. If he's just a tacked on member like Zaeed then why bother creating the character in the first place, a Prothean should be important.

[PhogoX]

If this was free with any new copy there would be little issue. I have been a loyal customer. That loyalty was earned and now it has been lost. DA2 Strike 1, TOR Strike 2, and all the garbage DLC Strike 3. I can wait for the bargain bin. It is all you deserve now.

[Almostfaceman]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Actually , I don't like Expanded Universe things like comics and books, look at what it did for Star Wars. But that is beside the point. The point is, we have game content, already made before release, it is not bonus perks for CE, it is not soundtrack, not a comic, not a book, but actual game content that is deliberately left out of the game before release when it should be part of the package. This is, as I have said countless times, unethical. Your customers are paying for the game, the whole game, on release. And you are cutting it up:
This is wrong.

Actually, you are wrong. The entirety of the DLC was not complete before the core game was certified. It was built in parallel with and after the core game.

It is extra content for the CE.

Now, if you didn't buy the CE, the question is, how soon did you want your hands on this extra content they get?

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 22 février 2012 - 11:42 .

[Xellana]

I cannot believe that people here actually can be okay with that.

I think the ME series are the best games I ever played. I really like the story, but I barely can afford a 50 Euro title. To pay 55 Euro plus 10 Euro, just to have a complete game - I really fear that I can´t do that bioware That really makes me very disappointed.

But I don´t want to buy half a game. And to state, that a prothean squad mate doesn´t have a major impact on the story is just mind boggling. Everybody who knows the story well enough knows that this cannot be true.

I really hope you consider this, bioware.

[Wulfram]

Michael Gamble wrote...

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version). As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

 

The Prothean has always been intended to be sold seperately, and we know this.  If you want people to trust you on your claim that this is extra content, and ignore all the available evidence, try to stick to things which are less transparently false.

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...


Actually , I don't like Expanded Universe things like comics and books, look at what it did for Star Wars. But that is beside the point. The point is, we have game content, already made before release, it is not bonus perks for CE, it is not soundtrack, not a comic, not a book, but actual game content that is deliberately left out of the game before release when it should be part of the package. This is, as I have said countless times, unethical. Your customers are paying for the game, the whole game, on release. And you are cutting it up:

This is wrong.

Except if you look at the value of the dollar you spent on that game in 1999 vs the value of the same dollar you spend on it now for close to the same base price your actualy paying less for the base game than you were in 1999. If you paid $50 for a game in 1999 your paid the equivalent of $70 today

[fnootface]

There's a Prothean squadmate? They aren't extinct? Well that would have been an exciting surprise if you hadn't spoiled it. Pretty angry.

[TheOptimist]

Dionkey wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Except that if you looked for them, you could find sound files suggesting that the shadowbroker was originally going to be a mission in the game and was cut out during production.  Again, we've known (or atleast suspected) the Prothean would be DLC for MONTHS.  He has been planned as DLC since atleast the collectors edition became preorderable.  Whatever you think about day 1 dlc, he was not stripped out of the game on a whim in the last two months or so. 

  As I already explained to someone else, none of that dialogue was used in game or the DLC, so it was clearly far from finished or was going to be a line Liara said in the game itself. If the DLC is finished before the game is released, then include it in the game. If it isn't, then sell it as DLC.

That simple.

So again, if they'd just waited to complete it and announced it 3 months later, you'd have no problem with it?  It was always going to be DLC, you really need to just accept that.  We've known it would be DLC for months.  Just because the team assigned to it completed it in time to be released at the same time as the actual game doesn't entitle you to get it for free. 

TheOptimist wrote... 

He is not critical to the game.  He is an important part of the lore, perhaps, but then, so is Kai Leng, and I have never purchased or read ANY of the ME books, so I know nothing about the guy other than what I've read here and on the wiki.  Reading those books is not essential to playing the game, but they do increase your knowledge of the lore.  Likewise, the Prothean increases your knowledge of the lore and the events in the ME universe, but he is not essential to the plot. 

Kai Leng is definitely going to be a vital part of the game, if not the antagonist. The Prothean is going to explain any questions we had about the Protheans, knowledge of the Reapers, and so on. Charging $10 is a ludicrous amount for this. Imagine if they didn't include Garrus, Vega, or another character without coughing up 1/6 of the game's price. 

No, it isn't, because this character was always going to be DLC.  He has not been advertised with the game. His importance to mass effect lore is irrelevant, it is information unnecessary for you to complete ME3.  Again, if they'd sliced it up the way you suggest, far fewer people would buy it because no one wants to buy core games piecemeal.  But this content was always planned as DLC, and I have no issues with paying that money (or in my case, paying for it as part of the CE). 

[Ryzaki]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Uhhh, he offers insight into galactic culture and has some opinions.  But absolutely NOTHING plot-critical, exactly like Kasumi, Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian.  The leak makes that clear.

Seb should not be on that list.

Without Seb you lose quite a bit of the backstory on the explosion between mages and templars.

But that backstory wasn't plot relevant.  NOT knowing the backstory in no way effected the game.

It effects your understanding of the main plot (in a way that no other DLC squaddie does) yes I consider that effecting the game.

[Kroepoek]

Implying EA gives a crap what you people think. Most of you chums will buy this anyway and swallow it giving EA the idea this is actually a good and justified concept.

Implying the files for the DLC aren't already in the full game and will be enabled once you purchase it.

[Urza]

El Ejcovero wrote..
Actually , I don't like Expanded Universe things like comics and books, look at what it did for Star Wars

What did it do to Star Wars besides keep the franchise alive? If Star wars is just 3 movies to you and you don't want anything before or after them, that's fine. Some of us want more then 3 movies... granted the prequels weren't the movies we were looking for, but that's NOT the expanded universe's fault.

[nitefyre410]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

Saw the main post, sorry don't justify a 10 dollar dlc for people that are planning to buy the game day 1.
Actually you are losing customers with that kind of attitude

 

Thats what I'm saying and the bs about  it being completed after the game was finished which begs the question... how long as the main game been finished and how that tie back to the uproar about the  the "old" leaks that everyone but myself have read. 

[Daywalker315]

HiroVoid wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I'm sure they did have intentions to sell it as a standalone. That doesn't change the fact that it was marketed as a bonus to CE buyers. If it's a bonus to CE buyers it shouldn't be free to standard buyers. Simple. And BW capitalizes on the "oooooh" factor of a Prothean to people by selling it for $10. If gamers weren't so ridiculous I'd say it's a good business decision. Buy it if you want the lore and a new guy to blast baddies with, or don't if you want to save $10. Either way, you can still play the game and finish it and save the galaxy.

Can I hug you?

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

I also love how people are going on and on about how the Prothean squad member would be too valuable/relevant to be DLC and not in the main game. It's not like the CE DLC character was gonna be some grunt dude then all the sudden BioWare said, "Oh hey! Let's make this guy the Prothean instead!" No. He was originally intended to be the CE DLC squadmate from the beginning as a special treat to those of us who were willing to pay for him either in the CE or as Day 1 DLC.

I ordered the CE, and I'm fine with it being available to everyone.   It's not like the CE only has the Prothean with it.

I'm perfectly fine with it being available to everyone for a price. For me though the bonus character was the main reason I spent the extra money. I wasn't sure if it would be exclusive to the CE at the time so I didn't want to miss out on it. I'm fine with anyone being able to get it though. I just wouldn't want to pay $20 extra for something (along with other trinkets and gizmos, yes) that everyone ends up getting for free anyway.

Were you saying you're fine with everyone getting it for free? Granted, if it would shut everyone up and stop the butthurt, I'd probably be ok with it. But I've learned on BSN, you can never stop the butthurt. They'll just find something else to rage about.

[LucretoDrakor]

neubourn wrote...

I swear, the sense of entitlement on these forums is ridiculous.

People are whining because they obviously didnt purchase the CE when they had the chance (i seriously dont see any CE owners complaining about this).

So, its leaked that a very cool piece of content will be *gasp* Day one DLC. Now...if it were the "principle" of the thing that truly was the issue, then simply do not purchase it. Problem solved. People objected heavily to costume DLC in ME2, which is why they probably didnt sell to well, which is also why only about half of them were even released. Consumers voting with their wallets, like it should be.

But WAIT!!! Apparently we can all agree that a Prothean Squadmate/mission on Eden Prime is much better DLC than just costumes (lol probably why costumes are INCLUDED in the DLC)....yet, people do not want to *pay* for this content.

And now we are back to the entitlement. Basically, people are upset that they didnt order the CE in time (or couldnt afford it), and BW announces a pretty sweet DLC item, but people think they are *entitled* to it for free because it happens to be Day One DLC.

If you think it is a good DLC, then buy it. Thats what consumers are SUPPOSED to do. Buy content that you think has value. If you think it does NOT contain $10 value, then dont purchase it. Simple concept really. You are only *entitled* to what you purchase, in this case...whatever game is on the disc. NOTHING MORE!!! You are not entitled to extra DLC just because you *THINK* it shouldve been put "on the disc." Doesnt work that way.

People who paid for something already aren't going to complain about it they know what their getting and their willing to reward EA, and bioware for their business practices that is ruining gaming every friggen moment they put out dlc like this... I wouldn't be whineing nor anyone else if it was part of the game regardless of edition, I don't even care about the other bells and whistles that the editions give but it should be just cosmetic things and weapons not an entire character and mission that they believe they couldn't add to the main game for whatever reason.   I seriously can't see some "other team" saying hey lets stick in a prothean for the heck of it and not tie it in at all with the main story.

[Solgineer]

I'm not bothered that the CE edition is getting an exclusive character, but I AM bothered it is a Prothean. If it were some human merc like Zaeed or Kasumi then woop de doo, keep him. But a Prothean is important to the story, and it is taking out a chunk of it.

[redsox95MB]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I'm sure they did have intentions to sell it as a standalone. That doesn't change the fact that it was marketed as a bonus to CE buyers. If it's a bonus to CE buyers it shouldn't be free to standard buyers. Simple. And BW capitalizes on the "oooooh" factor of a Prothean to people by selling it for $10. If gamers weren't so ridiculous I'd say it's a good business decision. Buy it if you want the lore and a new guy to blast baddies with, or don't if you want to save $10. Either way, you can still play the game and finish it and save the galaxy.

Can I hug you?

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

I also love how people are going on and on about how the Prothean squad member would be too valuable/relevant to be DLC and not in the main game. It's not like the CE DLC character was gonna be some grunt dude then all the sudden BioWare said, "Oh hey! Let's make this guy the Prothean instead!" No. He was originally intended to be the CE DLC squadmate from the beginning as a special treat to those of us who were willing to pay for him either in the CE or as Day 1 DLC.

YES!!

Seriously, the self-entitlement around here is ridiculous.

[Amikae]

I've never had a harder time cancelling a preorder.

[Urza]

Fix1o0 wrote...
Implying EA gives a crap what you people think.

Please see battlefield bad company 2.

[4thearthling]

Hmmm... seems to me the Protheans are at the very center of the Mass Effect story, not some optional offshoot.

I guess Bioware REALLY wants that extra 10$, as they're leveraging the fan's interest in the story to get it.

Too bad, so sad.

[Chibito]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If this was free for those who bought the game new, then that would be understandable, but as it stands now, it's nothing more than a shameless cash grab.

And if it was free, what about all the folks who pre-ordered the CE?

You get the CE stuff, which shouldn't include any notable content, but rather EXTRAS, like a soundtrack, an art book, some cosmetic stuff, maybe even an armor. Not a goddamn prothean.

Imperium Alpha wrote...

PhogoX wrote...

If this was free with any new copy there would be little issue. I have been a loyal customer. That loyalty was earned and now it has been lost. DA2 Strike 1, TOR Strike 2, and all the garbage DLC Strike 3. I can wait for the bargain bin. It is all you deserve now.

No it is not. It's because you are a TOOL and you don't understand that this DLC is a CE bonus. Peasant have to pay for it just like CE do.

 
He's the tool for not sucking up everything Bioware throws at them. Right.

Modifié par Chibito, 22 février 2012 - 11:44 .

[Genshie]

Kog27 wrote...

Yes, it is clear this stuff was being developed all along with ME3 but theyre making you buy it if you dont get the CE? Horrible practice. The lying makes it worse.

Horrible how? (Or are you being sarcastic?) It was originally meant as CE only material and Bioware is giving everyone a chance to get it. I am paying more for CE so I expect more than the standard edition.

[Daywalker315]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Implying EA gives a crap what you people think. Most of you chums will buy this anyway and swallow it giving EA the idea this is actually a good and justified concept.

Implying the files for the DLC aren't already in the full game and will be enabled once you purchase it.

600MB+ download proves your last sentence wrong.

[Paragon Auducan]

A Prothean should be important, important plot points shouldn't be DLC.

people defending this are tools and I'm a CE buyer, I still see the milking.