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[lrrose]

So now we have politics involved here. All we need is someone to call someone else a **** and we'll have fulfilled all of the criteria for a failed internet debate.

[Arkitekt]

Rob, your logic is ridiculous, and it shows all too well how people rationalize things in the most astonishing ways just to justify their own selfish reasons. You simply want prothean dlc to be free and thats not happening, so you are furious. Im sorry, I really am, but thats just fact. And the constant whining to make it free instead reminds me too well of my kids' usual outcries of "unfairness" to take you seriously.

[Rockworm503]

JJDrakken wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Frigid Leaf wrote...

Don't think of this as Day One DLC. Think of this as Collector's Edition exclusive content that's available for you to buy on day one if you got the standard edition.

Plenty of games put bonus content, including substantial pieces of content like extra levels or dungeons, in collector's editions. In that respect, From Ashes is no different.

What sets From Ashes apart is that it's available to buy day and date with its release in the collector's edition. Most other games either never release collector's edition exclusive content for people who bought the standard edition, or release it months later.

Didn't buy the collector's edition? Too bad. You should be happy that Bioware is letting you get the content at all, and on day one no less.

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

There is logic right there, like I've said, it's like drugs.  They got their fix & don't care about anyone else, so long they can continue to get thier fix.


JJ

Thats right folks.  How dare you expect a 60 dollar game to be you know a full 60 dollar game....  Sad to see so many people with this entitlement.  Nintendo should've nipped this in the bud and made everyone pay 10 bucks a level for Super mario Bros.

[ArkkAngel007]

OdanUrr wrote...

You should have acted (before). The BSN foretold of its release. The announcement was merely delayed, to the time after Mass Effect 3 had gone gold. But no one wanted to believe, believe he could exist. And when the truth finally dawns, it dawns in ashes!

That just gave me a good laugh.  

[TheStoner]

Frigid Leaf wrote...

Don't think of this as Day One DLC. Think of this as Collector's Edition exclusive content that's available for you to buy on day one if you got the standard edition.

Plenty of games put bonus content, including substantial pieces of content like extra levels or dungeons, in collector's editions. In that respect, From Ashes is no different.

What sets From Ashes apart is that it's available to buy day and date with its release in the collector's edition. Most other games either never release collector's edition exclusive content for people who bought the standard edition, or release it months later.

Didn't buy the collector's edition? Too bad. You should be happy that Bioware is letting you get the content at all, and on day one no less.

It was never collectors edition exclusive content and I'm not going to trick myself into thinking it is for the sake of bioware.

[Yuoaman]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I didn't ever truly believe it would be CE exclusive but I knew that the CE would present the best deal to get it as well as other exclusive content like the weapons and appearance pack. I also always expected that SE owners would have to buy it if it was listed as a bonus to CE owners. Anyone with common sense should have seen that coming.

I go t the CE of ME2 as well, but the SE players never got the collector armor or any of the other CE items  that time around.  You get what you pay for.

But every player received Zaeed and a number of other free DLC - EA had decided that this business model doesn't work, for some reason, and is charging everyone who isn't a "true fan" to pay $10 for a lot of fairly important background information that many fans would want to have in their games.

If that is the case and I think it is a big if then it is a good thing that everyone can get it.  However my guess on what is going to happen, the charecter will be in the game no matter what, all you will get by having the DLC is a mission with minimal story impact and the ability to have a new squadmate.    There is no logic to having a charecter that would add that much to the story only avaliable to a minority.  The 
Prothean  will be in game, just as a NPC with out the DLC, I could be wrong, but I don't think so in this case.

Javik will not be in the game unless you have the DLC, sorry.

Proof of that is where exactly?  An assumption or fact?

Because you cannot access Eden Prime without the DLC, and that's where he's located.

[Descedent]

Rovay wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yep its over the Joker memes have come out... time to sit back and watch this fall into complete madness.

Can I join?

*snip*

Any spare chairs left? I can bring popcorn if you want to.

[Arsenal0602]

fropas wrote...

rob593 wrote...

fropas wrote...

rob593 wrote...

fropas wrote...

rob593 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...Other people should have to pay for it.

I get what your saying, but don't you feel this is needlesly selfish in the grand scheme of things, kinda like a "it's my ball so im taking it and going home" kind of situation.

Couldn't you ultimately just suck it up for the sake of the community? Surely you see that this thread and way of thinking only damages this community, and as a loyal fan isn't that contrary to your interests?

so it's good for the community to get DLC only some people paid for? it sounds like you're the one being selfish.

No, you misunderstand, The community should be playing the same game as each other, regardless of the money they spent,those who CHOOSE to buy the CE should receive out of game tangible products to collect that justify the additional support they show.

No. i bought the CE for exclusive in-game content. More Guns/Armor/Clothes/RObo dogs. I don't care what you think a CE "should" be. I bought the ME2 CE for the same reason: exclusive in-game content. That's my only incentive for spending 20$ extra.

And THAT my friend is the problem.

Your problem not mine.

I only buy CEs for the ingame items.  What do I want a patch for? Or poster, art book? Sure why not, but it is the in game items that I buy CEs for.  They come with extras, so  I have to agree this is their probelm not mine.

[Lufven1]

This is just ridiculous...

Why not ship the game in more parts than it is now? I mean, now we have the "standard" and CE, where CE includes more game for you bucks. Lets make like two more versions. "Super CE" and "Extra super CE" where each edition adds additional characters and have them all available on the release-day.

Sarcastic and all this is one of the reasons people are mad and understandably so.

[Goth Skunk]

MA5Bergey wrote...

At the end of the day, what EA is doing is selling you a brand new car, and telling you that you'll need to pay an extra $2000 for brakes.

Wrong.

$2000 for leather interior, more like.

[prsquared]

Daywalker315 wrote...

prsquared wrote...

I don't mind spending a little more on the game actually. What bums me out is that the N7 digital deluxe edition details in origin doesn't say anything about the DLC. So I pre ordered the normal version. Now I've to spend more in total than what the deluxe edition would have cost... without the other bonuses.

N7 DDE includes the DLC. It's been discussed around here but it's gotten swept aside by the pages and pages of hate.

I know. Let me be clearer. I didn't pre-order the N7 Digital Deluxe edition. I pre ordered the regular version from an e-commerce site i my Country thinking there's not much difference between the two versions(other than the ones mentioned in the details section of the Deluxe edition in Origin)

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

i find this very disturbing-

this should NOT be day 1 dlc.

i purchased the CE for a reason and now most of it is avialable to everyone?

whats the purpose of buying the CE then? you guys need to let us have an exclusive for a minimum of 6 months on the content- i strongly hope you hold release of this "from ashes" nonsense back.

maybe authorize more CE copies after release.

[Robin001]

!!!!!     Read this     !!!!!

Put the frog in the hot water, the frog jump out.
but
Put the frog in the normal water and then slowly increase the heat, the frog simply cook. 

This is perfect example. 10 years ago studios never could did such thing as with DLCs now. But now, they have frogs with right temperature that allow to do this and increase heat litlle more.

I jump out.

!!!!!!    So good cooking, frogs.  !!!!!!!

[Arkitekt]

And who are you anyway to declare that this dlc should be part of the main game?
Please enlighten me on your authority.

[rob593]

Arkitekt wrote...

Rob, your logic is ridiculous, and it shows all too well how people rationalize things in the most astonishing ways just to justify their own selfish reasons. You simply want prothean dlc to be free and thats not happening, so you are furious. Im sorry, I really am, but thats just fact. And the constant whining to make it free instead reminds me too well of my kids' usual outcries of "unfairness" to take you seriously.

Actually I don't want anything, and your assuming I haven't already bought the CE.

There is no guesswork or assumption in my logic, can you say the same?

To clarify I stand to gain ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from the outcome of this thread, whichever way it goes, I am here to make a point, not to tell you what is right or wrong.

Modifié par rob593, 23 février 2012 - 05:11 .

[Dr Griner]

What a bunch of greedy ****s. I cant believe how you can ****** all over your fans and then think a BS post makes it all good.

You have extra content available for the game for an EXTRA cost and the games not even released yet.

You make me sick...

[appleroof76]

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

[Goth Skunk]

Robin001 wrote...

!!!!!     Read this     !!!!!

Put the frog in the hot water, the frog jump out.
but
Put the frog in the normal water and then slowly increase the heat, the frog simply cook. 

This is perfect example. 10 years ago studios never could did such thing as with DLCs now. But now, they have frogs with right temperature that allow to do this and increase heat litlle more.

I jump out.

!!!!!!    So good cooking, frogs.  !!!!!!!

Then please stay out.

Ten years ago, the idea of DLC would be absurd because we were all still on Dial-up.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 23 février 2012 - 05:09 .

[Kroepoek]

Starcraft 2: Heart of the Swarm is coming out this year. Standard €35 for the expansion. If you want to make use of banelings you have to pay an additional €10.

[Arsenal0602]

Yuoaman wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

I didn't ever truly believe it would be CE exclusive but I knew that the CE would present the best deal to get it as well as other exclusive content like the weapons and appearance pack. I also always expected that SE owners would have to buy it if it was listed as a bonus to CE owners. Anyone with common sense should have seen that coming.

I go t the CE of ME2 as well, but the SE players never got the collector armor or any of the other CE items  that time around.  You get what you pay for.

But every player received Zaeed and a number of other free DLC - EA had decided that this business model doesn't work, for some reason, and is charging everyone who isn't a "true fan" to pay $10 for a lot of fairly important background information that many fans would want to have in their games.

If that is the case and I think it is a big if then it is a good thing that everyone can get it.  However my guess on what is going to happen, the charecter will be in the game no matter what, all you will get by having the DLC is a mission with minimal story impact and the ability to have a new squadmate.    There is no logic to having a charecter that would add that much to the story only avaliable to a minority.  The 
Prothean  will be in game, just as a NPC with out the DLC, I could be wrong, but I don't think so in this case.

Javik will not be in the game unless you have the DLC, sorry.

Proof of that is where exactly?  An assumption or fact?

Because you cannot access Eden Prime without the DLC, and that's where he's located.

Maybe maybe not, if people are going to complain about this taking away fromt he sotry I actually would like to see proof and not just guess work. 

[Leaser Resael]

fropas wrote...

Leaser Resael wrote...

fropas wrote...

Leaser Resael wrote...

Bioware said many times that they were doing their best to make sure the single player was perfect... but how can the single player be perfect if you left a prothean out of the main game? Seriously, they put MP on the disc, but a protehan, who is integral to the Mass Effect Lore and story, is left out?
Something is wrong here...

You don't need the prothean. He's the last member of an extinct race and not integral to the plot. If he is integral to you enjoying the game then you can buy him (like I did) or not. That's up to you. You can still beat the game without him.

That's an excuse and you know it, if you want to support this kind of "Day one DLC" thing, do it, but you will not change my mind about this. Protheans ARE important to the story, even in ME3 Protheans are more important than in ME2, so if a Prothean is alive, IT'S important and it should have been in the game.
Besides, you left out the part where I said that MP was included in the game but a Prothean, something that greatly benefits the story is left out as DLC while they said many times that they "Were working to make the best single player experience"? Yeah right... keep telling lies Bioware, it sure will benefit you in the long term...

You have no idea what the prothy's impact will be on the story because you haven't played the full game yet. For all we know MP could impact the story more than the prothy will. I don't care if he "should" be in the game. The protheans are dead for the most part and one living one doesn't change that. If you want him pay for him. If not then don't. I'm not making "excuses" saying Bioware has every right to nickle and dime you, but I've already paid for my CE and I don't like the idea of paying for things that other people get for free. Sorry I've paid more so I'm entitled to more; that's just my opinion. You don't need the prothy to beat the game so suck it up.

That's the thing, it should have been free for CE owners too. And by your own (brilliant I may add) logic, MP is not needed to beat the SP, so it should habe been left out too, since you know, THEY CONFIRMED that MP is not needed, why add it then? If this thread reached 150 in less than 2 days it means that people are upset because like I said early, Bioware told that "they were working to make sure the SP part of the game was perfect", and leaving a prothean out of the story and making him DLC is NOT the way to make a perfect SP experience.
Imagine taking a living prothean with you to the citadel, or to any place, the reactions to seeing a living prothean, any kind of info he can provide it's just important enough to have a place in the main game.
But the thing is, if prothy is a full Squadmate, meaning that he has full dialog, then every other squadmate has dialog about/with him, meaning that all that dialog was recorded at the same time they were recording the "vanilla" dialogs (because they won't record dialogs of every squadmate just for him on a different schedule). So he should be in the game because it's clearly content that was planned for the game and the made it DLC.
Use logic before writing please, "suck it up" makes you look like a 12 years old.
Have a nice day. 

[Rockworm503]

Arkitekt wrote...

And who are you anyway to declare that this dlc should be part of the main game?
Please enlighten me on your authority.

The fact that it comes out the day of release for the main game?

I don't know about you but I like paying for a game not paying for parts of a game and being told I'm entitled for expecting the whole game.

[ArkkAngel007]

MA5Bergey wrote...

At the end of the day, what EA is doing is selling you a brand new car, and telling you that you'll need to pay an extra $2000 for brakes.

1. Stop with the logical fallacies.  All of them have been horrible...hence why they are logical fallacies.

2. You need brakes for your car to operate it correctly.  You don't need Javik, Eden Prime, or the alternative dresses to play ME3 to it's core completion. 

[fropas]

kp- wrote...

fl0wers wrote...

It really bothers me that people are getting so upset over a simple optional DLC to the point of boycotting. It bothers me even more that people will use this as justification for pirating. Sure, maybe they should have given CE owners something else and released the DLC for free since it is ready for release, but is it really that big a deal? Pirating won't help anyone. Boycotting might, but if you think boycotting a game over simple $10 DLC is worth not playing the final game of an incredible trilogy, you're nuts.

I'm sure I'll be buried quickly, but keep up the good work, BioWare. I'm extremely excited for Mass Effect 3.

I agree with you 100%! These people with this attitude need to grow the fu*k up. Its sad that there so such imature people in this crowd.  Buy the game, dont buy the game. We dont care what you do its your $$. Pirate a game over a $10 DLC that you could have gotten if you got off your ass and pre-ordered the game..... No ones fault but their own.

Maybe some of these people are USE to getting things for free from our Govt, so they are trying to justify getting game content for free. Hmm... maybe. Its the attitude I see from lots of people who likes Obama and seem to think he has done nothing wrong during his administration.

Well to be fair it's more than 10$ that's pissing people off:

-Day one DLC (nerd rage!)

-assumption that prothy is important to ME3 plot (RAWR!)

-Prothy's obvious value in the game's mythos/story (I have to pay for a codex?)

People feel like BW is strong arming them, and yes I'd much rather ALL the DLC was free, but we live in a world where you have to pay more to get more, so I have no qualms with BW trying to make a few bucks. I don't know why people claim to be "loyal" fans and then boycott the game (they claim to love) cause 10$ DLC. Sounds ridiculous to me.

[Goth Skunk]

Dr Griner wrote...

What a bunch of greedy ****s. I cant believe how you can ****** all over your fans and then think a BS post makes it all good.

You have extra content available for the game for an EXTRA cost and the games not even released yet.

You make me sick...

There's the door.

Make sure it doesn't hit your ass on the way out.