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[MA5Bergey]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

At the end of the day, what EA is doing is selling you a brand new car, and telling you that you'll need to pay an extra $2000 for brakes.

1. Stop with the logical fallacies.  All of them have been horrible...hence why they are logical fallacies.

2. You need brakes for your car to operate it correctly.  You don't need Javik, Eden Prime, or the alternative dresses to play ME3 to it's core completion. 

For that matter, you only really need two squadmates for the purposes of gameplay, so why not make the rest of them downloadable content?  Some people WOULD consider a prothean squadmate essential to the game.  People who, to any extent, give a damn about the lore of the series.  Fact is, Protheans are one of the biggest mysteries of the series, one that has inspired a huge portion of theorizing and speculation, and to some gamers, the story isn't complete without learning the secrets behind the Protheans.  It's not the damn alternative dresses we care about.

[Monochrome Wench]

Piracy is really going to help.. give something to me for free, or i'll just take it anyway.

[N7Raider]

Yuoaman wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

The Prothean is important because he is a GODDAMN PROTHEAN, y'know: a member of an extinct species in the Mass Effect universe... And I know for a fact that Javik is not present in the game at all unless you install the DLC, he is the only Prothean and he's not in the game otherwise.

yes that's a completely logical reason<_<
that's like saying the fal'cie are important to Final Fantasy XIII-2's plot because IT'S A DAMN FAL'CIE, y'know a member of the extinct race from FFXIII.  

[Korvmannen]

suntzuxi wrote...

I was amused a lot of posts finally went from pre-order cancelled to piracy. Do we have to use piracy to threaten the devs?

Yes, if they don't listen to reason. Actions however speak a very clear language.

[Rockworm503]

Descedent wrote...

_symphony wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why should it be included???  It's extra content.  It provides nothing for the main narrative of the game, just like Kasumi's Memories.  And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about before you get on your high horse.

That's what is pissing me off right now, is a prothean, and provides nothing to the main narrative, that's increible. The level of writing went downhill.

Someone get this man a crown. We know this is true. The biggest writer in bioware EVER is no longer with bioware!

Thats the part thats making me scratch my head.
A prothean.
Still alive.
Not important to the main story?
Bioware didn't even consider the possibilyt that the only survivor of the last Reaper invasion might actually be imporant in that regard?
wow writing out that out just makes me realize just how rediculous this has all become.  If this is where the writing is going I'm almost too scared to buy the game now.

[Turran]

Personally I just feel that this isn't some little part of DLC really, its a big part of the story, adding an extra character which is part of a race which is to do with nearly all of the Mass Effect story just feels a bit unfair.

Sure EA/Bioware has the right to do it, I just feel it is a bit unfair.
Putting something else in Collector's Edition would of been better, such as armor variants and such for squaddies or whoever. But this in CE and then also Day 1 DLC, so paying out even more, seems just a tad steep. If it is Day 1, to me, it should really be involved in the game, or free. Later on, when developing the game has finished and you are adding random snippets ontop of a finished product at much later dates I understand for a price.

[mjharper]

Daywalker315 wrote...

One squad mate and one mission makes the MASSIVE two-disc game crammed with content a skeleton of a game? You can't possibly logically defend that position.

No, but he can defend that position... and will probably do so by precisely ignoring logic.

[Blarty]

Yuoaman wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

The Prothean is important because he is a GODDAMN PROTHEAN, y'know: a member of an extinct species in the Mass Effect universe... And I know for a fact that Javik is not present in the game at all unless you install the DLC, he is the only Prothean and he's not in the game otherwise.

Yep, he's ME3's California Man

[fropas]

Exia001 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

_symphony wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why should it be included???  It's extra content.  It provides nothing for the main narrative of the game, just like Kasumi's Memories.  And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about before you get on your high horse.

That's what is pissing me off right now, is a prothean, and provides nothing to the main narrative, that's increible. The level of writing went downhill.

Someone get this man a crown. We know this is true. The biggest writer in bioware EVER is no longer with bioware!

And?

And I think some people are finding any excuse they can to **** on the game at this point. . .Sucks to be some people.

[mjharper]

Korvmannen wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

I was amused a lot of posts finally went from pre-order cancelled to piracy. Do we have to use piracy to threaten the devs?

Yes, if they don't listen to reason. Actions however speak a very clear language.

No, because thinking that piracy is a valid response to anything just makes you a jerk.

[Arsenal0602]

Yuoaman wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

The Prothean is important because he is a GODDAMN PROTHEAN, y'know: a member of an extinct species in the Mass Effect universe... And I know for a fact that Javik is not present in the game at all unless you install the DLC, he is the only Prothean and he's not in the game otherwise.

No you're guessing that he isn't unless you for a fact have played the entire game, and know at no point does he show up in any other way shape or form.  

Feel free to show your work if you want, because if you can actually prove it, that would really clear up the arguments. 

[AkiKishi]

fropas wrote...
You're argument is flawed. The game is complete without the prothy. This would be like Nintendo charging ten dollars for you to play as Luigi. Sure it would ****** a lot of ppl off who claim, "Luigi is important to Mario Bros lore!" but he's not essential to the single player experience.

That's wrong.

The game contains files that can't be used until the DLC is added. That makes it incomplete. If those files never existed then Bioware might be more credible on this.

[weremutt]

I do not like release day DLC at all but this is a CE perk and people who are getting this should not be complaining. The only reason I purchased the CE was for the extra character I knew was going to inevitably be added as well as weapons and armor. If I had known that this was going to happen, I never would have purchased the CE addition because it was originally only suppose to be a CE perk for purchasing it. I would have rather saved that $10. And after looking through the board and seeing who the majority of the people are complaining about this, you are the biggest hypocrites out there. The only reason anyone should cancel this game is if the co-op was not optional. I nearly cancelled my reserve and got my money back because of the co-op, but since it does not affect single player at all I manned up and kept it. Cancelling over game day DLC with a Collectors Edition DLC option for the standard edition is just about the most childish thing I can imagine because originally you were not getting the character anyway.

This is a company that needs to make money to develop more games with more great stories for us their fans and consumers to buy. I am a Bioware fan, I like a lot of the games they make and dislike many others. If Bioware makes this free it is a problem for everyone who has bought the Collectors Edition because those people deserve a refund. At $10 a Collectors Edition that is a lot of money that would need to be refunded and that will greatly hurt the company and future game development. Since the start of this trilogy I have known that at some point in the trilogy a prothean was going to end up a squadmate and the fact that it is a CE perk I think it is great for the die hard fans such as myself. If you are the ticked off over this do not buy the game or the DLC.
On that note, if this DLC does become free I want my $10 back for buying the Collectors Edition because I purchased the CE with the understanding that I was getting more game content. If I have to pay for it, SO DO YOU!

[rageking]

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[Korvmannen]

mjharper wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

I was amused a lot of posts finally went from pre-order cancelled to piracy. Do we have to use piracy to threaten the devs?

Yes, if they don't listen to reason. Actions however speak a very clear language.

No, because thinking that piracy is a valid response to anything just makes you a jerk.

A 70 bucks richer jerk, mind you.

[Blarty]

If we're talking about what we believe as individuals should be in ME3 and that we've invested time in personally and what we're connected to and care about in the ME universe, I would like all the ME2 squadmates returned to full squadmate status downloadable as DLC on Day 1 not just cameos.....

[ArkkAngel007]

Descedent wrote...

_symphony wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why should it be included???  It's extra content.  It provides nothing for the main narrative of the game, just like Kasumi's Memories.  And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about before you get on your high horse.

That's what is pissing me off right now, is a prothean, and provides nothing to the main narrative, that's increible. The level of writing went downhill.

Someone get this man a crown. We know this is true. The biggest writer in bioware EVER is no longer with bioware!

It bothers me a bit.  I've already stated that I just rather wish BioWare didn't bring Javik back into the picture after he was removed as a central component to the game (for good reason).  

But that doesn't mean the writing will be bad just because we feel a character was underutilized.  The game seems to flow very well without him from what I've seen.  I do miss Drew though.  

Again though, that's all opinion on our parts.  I'm just trying to make it clear that this is extra content and not removed, and that missing out on it is not detrimental to those playing the retail copy in the slightest.

[JJDrakken]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...
You're argument is flawed. The game is complete without the prothy. This would be like Nintendo charging ten dollars for you to play as Luigi. Sure it would ****** a lot of ppl off who claim, "Luigi is important to Mario Bros lore!" but he's not essential to the single player experience.

That's wrong.

The game contains files that can't be used until the DLC is added. That makes it incomplete. If those files never existed then Bioware might be more credible on this.

This man got some serious smarts.


JJ

[Lufven1]

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

CE mean Collectors Edition. That means it should contain COLLECTABLES
for people that are interested in such items. This does not make it fair
to include more game for your buck, which this clearly is.

[AkiKishi]

Console owners don't need to pirate. Buy used or rent EA and Bioware won't see a penny. if you are going to be charged for the DLC anyway you have no incentive to buy new like you do with online passes.

[Rotkaepchen]

Goth Skunk wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

At the end of the day, what EA is doing is selling you a brand new car, and telling you that you'll need to pay an extra $2000 for brakes.

Wrong.

$2000 for leather interior, more like.

Let me guess, CE buyer, right ?

[Foxtrot_212]

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

SOME ONE WHO SEES THE TRUTH! 

Theres NO PROOF its cut from the game, its OPTIONAL DLC

[Narelda]

I'll add my voice to disagree with charging for day one DLC. It stinks of milking the customer no matter how you look at it. To me it is clear this was a part of the game that was purposefully cut at some point to be included as DLC. Whether this meant that they would concentrate on something else, I don't know, but I still feel a Prothean team member too important to be left as DLC. Also if it is only a limited dialogue team member like Kasumi or Zaeed, I feel that's just horribly stupid idea in the first place. "Hey let's make a Prothean team member that is absolutely pointless in the grand scheme of things!". I just can't see how you can say ME3 is a "complete experience" without it if was added there to begin with.

Personally I'll wait and see what this DLC is about and consider whether I see any point in wasting my money on it. At the moment it doesn't look like I'll buy it because it's either not worth the asking price, or if it is, then it feels more like charging more for the same rather than offering anything as extra. The current explanations given aren't enough to really convince me otherwise. DLC in general at the moment is horribly overpriced and it's obvious to everyone with brains that for EA and Bioware DLC is very lucrative business and they wouldn't be doing it otherwise.

People should really think twice about buying DLC before they've actually got some user reviews whether it's really worth your money. At the moment the DLC business is in a sorry state of seeing how far they can yank our wallets for how little (supposedly) extra content. It falls into the same category as obtrusive DRM, online passes and other BS that is done for the benefit of the publisher and developer at the cost of the customer. I still believe that ultimately people will vote with their wallets, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't voice our concerns sooner rather than later.

[Blarty]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...
You're argument is flawed. The game is complete without the prothy. This would be like Nintendo charging ten dollars for you to play as Luigi. Sure it would ****** a lot of ppl off who claim, "Luigi is important to Mario Bros lore!" but he's not essential to the single player experience.

That's wrong.

The game contains files that can't be used until the DLC is added. That makes it incomplete. If those files never existed then Bioware might be more credible on this.

ME2 had lots of voice content that was never used even under DLC - does that make it incomplete also.....

[Rockworm503]

rageking wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/bnF9J.png

I wonder how many people would call it entightlement if we expected Megaman to come with all the lvls.