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[Bosnique]

suntzuxi wrote...

I was amused a lot of posts finally went from pre-order cancelled to piracy. Do we have to use piracy to threaten the devs?

Pre order? No i never preordered but was gonna buy it, afterall i got ME1 and ME2 on launch day why not finish the trilogy. Well, now i will not be giving my money to bioware, seems like they're willing to lose $60 over $10. That's fine they can take that gamble, it might pay off for them it might hurt them, we'll see.

The point is there  is no need to pirate the game, I can get it used and give all of my money to the brick and mortar store. Or not buy it at all, some people will go the piracy route too and they can do that if they wish.

[Turran]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

No you're guessing that he isn't unless you for a fact have played the entire game, and know at no point does he show up in any other way shape or form.  

Feel free to show your work if you want, because if you can actually prove it, that would really clear up the arguments. 

Well, it is like playing a game where the Dinosaurs left us messages about a doom that killed them off. 
We then take this message, be the only one to read it, find a ghost of a Dinosaur, fight Dinosaurs that have been altered by this threat. Have a character who is an Archeologist and studied Dinosaur remains for all their life.
The whole story is about how the Dinosaurs warned us and tried to help us.

Then in the next game you are given a Dinosaur to ride around on. It is kinda a big deal..
Well thats how I see it anyway.

[appleroof76]

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

how do i know? Ehm...prothean is a key piece of the overall story told in ME....

for the rest, i don't know, but please, not fool ourselves: was done only for money

[ArkkAngel007]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...
You're argument is flawed. The game is complete without the prothy. This would be like Nintendo charging ten dollars for you to play as Luigi. Sure it would ****** a lot of ppl off who claim, "Luigi is important to Mario Bros lore!" but he's not essential to the single player experience.

That's wrong.

The game contains files that can't be used until the DLC is added. That makes it incomplete. If those files never existed then Bioware might be more credible on this.

Some work was done before, such as VO work, just because that's when things were completed in the development cycle.  The DLC is incomplete, not the main game.

[Descedent]

rageking wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/bnF9J.png

fixed 

Modifié par Descedent, 23 février 2012 - 05:25 .

[mjharper]

Korvmannen wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

I was amused a lot of posts finally went from pre-order cancelled to piracy. Do we have to use piracy to threaten the devs?

Yes, if they don't listen to reason. Actions however speak a very clear language.

No, because thinking that piracy is a valid response to anything just makes you a jerk.

A 70 bucks richer jerk, mind you.

Great. So I'll steal a MacBook Pro and be $2000 richer. And I think I'll take that BMW as well.

[nitefyre410]

Rockworm503 wrote...

rageking wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/bnF9J.png

I wonder how many people would call it entightlement if we expected Megaman to come with all the lvls.

 

alot of people according to this  thread. 

[LinksOcarina]

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...
You're argument is flawed. The game is complete without the prothy. This would be like Nintendo charging ten dollars for you to play as Luigi. Sure it would ****** a lot of ppl off who claim, "Luigi is important to Mario Bros lore!" but he's not essential to the single player experience.

That's wrong.

The game contains files that can't be used until the DLC is added. That makes it incomplete. If those files never existed then Bioware might be more credible on this.

And my counter is three things.

1, do you know how hard it is to code an entire mission and character as an add-on to a main game?

2, If the files can't be used until the DLC is added, but if the DLC was planned to begin with, is it really incomplete?

3, Does it really matter so much that DLC has been made like this, since Bioware has done it so many times already to begin with, and people still bought the extra characters despite complaints to/ the contrary?

[RaenImrahl]

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@Fix1o0 -- please see the forum rules; posting single images as responses is not allowed

[appleroof76]

I add that I bought in preorder me3, not the EC, and did not know anything about this dlc, so I feel cheated

[AkiKishi]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

SOME ONE WHO SEES THE TRUTH! 

Theres NO PROOF its cut from the game, its OPTIONAL DLC

As I already pointed out the game contains files that can't be used without the DLC. That makes the game incomplete. Bioware can spin it anyway they like, but thats a fact.

[Rockworm503]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

rageking wrote...

http://i.imgur.com/bnF9J.png

I wonder how many people would call it entightlement if we expected Megaman to come with all the lvls.

 

alot of people according to this  thread. 

Oh no no no thats not right see those lvls aren't important to the main game.

[Bitsystems]

If this is available day 1 it should have been included for all versions, this is were I draw the line. There is no way i'll ever buy this dlc!

[Korvmannen]

mjharper wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

mjharper wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

I was amused a lot of posts finally went from pre-order cancelled to piracy. Do we have to use piracy to threaten the devs?

Yes, if they don't listen to reason. Actions however speak a very clear language.

No, because thinking that piracy is a valid response to anything just makes you a jerk.

A 70 bucks richer jerk, mind you.

Great. So I'll steal a MacBook Pro and be $2000 richer. And I think I'll take that BMW as well.

I'm not a thief. Theft is to steal, take something from someone else's possession. Copying a copy leaves the original copy intact = nothing of value was lost.

Making me pay 70 bucks for a game that's supposed to cost 50 is a scam and is much closer to the definition of theft.

Modifié par Korvmannen, 23 février 2012 - 05:33 .

[AkiKishi]

LinksOcarina wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

fropas wrote...
You're argument is flawed. The game is complete without the prothy. This would be like Nintendo charging ten dollars for you to play as Luigi. Sure it would ****** a lot of ppl off who claim, "Luigi is important to Mario Bros lore!" but he's not essential to the single player experience.

That's wrong.

The game contains files that can't be used until the DLC is added. That makes it incomplete. If those files never existed then Bioware might be more credible on this.

And my counter is three things.

1, do you know how hard it is to code an entire mission and character as an add-on to a main game?

2, If the files can't be used until the DLC is added, but if the DLC was planned to begin with, is it really incomplete?

3, Does it really matter so much that DLC has been made like this, since Bioware has done it so many times already to begin with, and people still bought the extra characters despite complaints to/ the contrary?

1 Do I care...
2. Sure sounds like the definition of incomplete to me.
3. If there are files on in the game that can only be used with the DLC then the game is incomplete without it. Bioware is in the wrong here and should recant. In future games then can make sure to leave no such files then we won't be able to call them to task on it.

Not really certain how this spins legally but I'll ask some friends on the weekend.

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[N7Raider]

appleroof76 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

how do i know? Ehm...prothean is a key piece of the overall story told in ME....

for the rest, i don't know, but please, not fool ourselves: was done only for money

umm yeah again how is this individual prothean important to ME3's plot?  If your whole argument is "they're important to the lore" there's no reason that some prothean archive couldn't fill the same role.  I've yet to see any actual evidence to suggest that this prothean is integral to the plot, sure you'd assume he is but frankly he could be as important to ME3's plot as Zaeed was to ME2's.  

[fropas]

Yes you get an incomplete version at the SE price. . .the same is true of ME2. I had to purchase at least 30$ worth of "extra" content to get the version of the game that could be considered "complete". The same is true of DA:O. You don't get to complain about getting the bare minimum when you're paying the bare minimum to get it. In my opinion.

Modifié par fropas, 23 février 2012 - 05:31 .

[Kasen]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

SOME ONE WHO SEES THE TRUTH! 

Theres NO PROOF its cut from the game, its OPTIONAL DLC

As I already pointed out the game contains files that can't be used without the DLC. That makes the game incomplete. Bioware can spin it anyway they like, but thats a fact.

To be fair, ME2 contains many files which were not and have never been in the game itself. There are some interesting things in them, some conflict with others (for instance, Legion and other characters have dialogue for missions they cannot normally be a part of). It's not uncommon for a game to have left over files like that which may or may not have ever been intended for anyplace other than the cutting room floor.

In movies, it's not uncommon for that 'cut content' to be placed into a Special Edition or Director's Cut later, but it's rare that anyone complains about that. I know I'm not the only one with several different copies of Star Wars laying around.

[spirosz]

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

Quoting for winning this thread.

[JJDrakken]

They had 3 strikes your out rule with me, No Steam purchase(my previous 2 copies are on Steam), Fine I'll deal with it & get a hard copy.(Strike 1).

Now I am "REQUIRED" to run your pile of a program Origin even on a hard copy sale?? Now I am going think this over(Strike 2).

Day 1 DLC(ala DA2), with a character you know was removed from the game to make more money. I fell for that once already, I won't do so again.(Strike 3).

And I'm out, I won't be touching ME3, until some those issues are fixed(especially issue 2), these are issues I feel passionate about Bioware, since you say you have a passionate fan base.


JJ

[ArkkAngel007]

MA5Bergey wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

MA5Bergey wrote...

At the end of the day, what EA is doing is selling you a brand new car, and telling you that you'll need to pay an extra $2000 for brakes.

1. Stop with the logical fallacies.  All of them have been horrible...hence why they are logical fallacies.

2. You need brakes for your car to operate it correctly.  You don't need Javik, Eden Prime, or the alternative dresses to play ME3 to it's core completion. 

For that matter, you only really need two squadmates for the purposes of gameplay, so why not make the rest of them downloadable content?  Some people WOULD consider a prothean squadmate essential to the game.  People who, to any extent, give a damn about the lore of the series.  Fact is, Protheans are one of the biggest mysteries of the series, one that has inspired a huge portion of theorizing and speculation, and to some gamers, the story isn't complete without learning the secrets behind the Protheans.  It's not the damn alternative dresses we care about.

Except most of the squadmates in ME3 all are important to the narrative of the game.

Again, you're trying to reason with your opinion, not fact.  I can only say so much without spoiling on this forum, but what I have been using is facts to back my reasoning.  If you'd like to know more about what he used to be and what he is now, I'd be happy to PM you the details that I can provide. 

BioWare chose to not have the Prothean central to the story, just like they chose for the ME2 squadmates to be regulated to cameo roles (and we [should] all know the reason why by this point).  It's how they chose to write the game.  They also chose to at least throw us a bone with the Prothean, instead of dropping the whole concept all together, where we would have completely missed out.

So again, it's all well in good for those of us who believe that the Prothean should have been more centralized or otherwise, but that's only our opinion.

[rob593]

If the day 1 DLC is not integral to the storyline and was not worked on during the development of ME3 then it's going to be poorly tested and rushed out before release, but if it's so irrelevant to the storyline why not wait a month or two then release it fully tested and polished as DLC.

How does releasing Day 1 DLC benefit the community in any way?

At best you get rushed DLC content and at worst you get less base content. The only winners here? EA/Bioware, the losers? The entire community, I dont think I will ever understand why you all not only put up with it, but actively encourage it.

[TheStoner]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

SOME ONE WHO SEES THE TRUTH! 

Theres NO PROOF its cut from the game, its OPTIONAL DLC

You know thats an arguement from ignorance right? You just got caught using a clear logical fallacy not that you're going to take any notice.

[prsquared]

appleroof76 wrote...

I add that I bought in preorder me3, not the EC, and did not know anything about this dlc, so I feel cheated

Same thing happened to me. Posted it a few pages back.