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[squee365]

Anybody who has read the script knows Javik is not really that important to the story.

[mjharper]

wrdnshprd wrote...

myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

so justify to us how this dlc should be any different?

 
Because this DLC is like Warden's Peak and Sebastian. Different model. End of story.

wrdnshprd wrote... 

'this was advertised 9 months ago..'

link me an article from back then where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

still waiting..

thats why people are upset.. all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new), and this whole mess goes away.

True, they didn't say it would be a Prothean. But they did say that the CE would contain a new character and mission, etc. And with that information, you can either decide to pre-order the CE and get the extra stuff, or order the SE and not get the extra stuff.

And now everyone who ordered the SE somehow thinks they are entitled to the stuff in the CE for free.

[Korvmannen]

thrones6 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

Finally. So many drama queens in this thread, thought i'd never see someone mature.
I'm getting the DLC, maybe not the first day. But maybe a week after.
The playerbase always cries for childish stuff. Even if this DLC would be released later on, they would still cry.
Whatever really, don't like it ? Don't buy it.

That's the problem right there. People want to help out BW and do the "right thing", so they (including me) are upset about EA/BW making it incredibly hard to rationalize this DLC as acceptable. It's not very wise to ****** of the people who wants to give you money.

[Foxtrot_212]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Dr Griner wrote...

What a bunch of greedy ****s. I cant believe how you can ****** all over your fans and then think a BS post makes it all good.

You have extra content available for the game for an EXTRA cost and the games not even released yet.

You make me sick...

This is what's wrong with the game industry.  Why release a great, full featured game when you can just release a skeleton of a game and charge customers $10 a pop for DLC to gradually put flesh on the bones.

This is content produced prior to the release of the game, sold at release....that isn't available to people who paid full retail price for the game.  It's absolutely outrageous.

I'm actually less disappointed with Bioware than I am with the idiots who make it possible for companies to behave this way.

One squad mate and one mission makes the MASSIVE two-disc game crammed with content a skeleton of a game? You can't possibly logically defend that position.

myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

so justify to us how this dlc should be any different?

'this was advertised 9 months ago..'

link me an article from back then where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

still waiting..

thats why people are upset.. all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new REGARDLESS OF VERSION), and this whole mess goes away.

Only 1 issue, it was Announced 9 months ago for the CE version, Most if not all the CE owners got it for the extra squadmate (Not knowing what it was) PLUS the aresenal pack and everything else. The DLC Squad mate should have been CE only but they decided to release it for 10 bucks,  if they gave it away free then I would Cancel my Pre order because I KNOW I wouldnt get money back towards it. 

(Personally I dont care just voicing an Argument thats going to pop up after you posted what you said)

[GuyIncognito21]

Exactly. You can't make the Zaeed comparison without answering for the fact that Zaeed was free and didn't touch on the core concepts of the narrative.

* And maybe I'll be banned for repeatedly acknowledging the fact that people pirate games when they're not happy with the way developers treat them, so be it. It's a fact, and it's a fact that factors heavily in the discussion about why it's a poor business practice to exploit and antagonize customers' loyalty to your product.

[tomcruisejr]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

The butthurt is strong with this thread

as is the Biodrone count.

[Arsenal0602]

Commdor wrote...

Turran wrote...

Arsenal0602 wrote...

No you're guessing that he isn't unless you for a fact have played the entire game, and know at no point does he show up in any other way shape or form.  

Feel free to show your work if you want, because if you can actually prove it, that would really clear up the arguments. 

Well, it is like playing a game where the Dinosaurs left us messages about a doom that killed them off. 
We then take this message, be the only one to read it, find a ghost of a Dinosaur, fight Dinosaurs that have been altered by this threat. Have a character who is an Archeologist and studied Dinosaur remains for all their life.
The whole story is about how the Dinosaurs warned us and tried to help us.

Then in the next game you are given a Dinosaur to ride around on. It is kinda a big deal..
Well thats how I see it anyway.

I'd agree with that, but how exactly is the lone dinosaur going to help you defeat the threat if the threat already killed off all of the other dinosaurs? Don't you think that if this one dinosaur ever had any device or knowledge that could defeat the threat, said device/knowledge would have been used successfully all those years ago and those of us in the modern day wouldn't be facing the crisis ourselves?

That is still based on the idea that you only get any information about the "Dinosaur" with the DLC, something that is only a guess right now, not fact.  And honestly other then some sotry elements. that again I am sure will be in the game with out the DLC.  What is he/she going to add?  It is like Zaeed, he started the blue suns, but that didn't add crap to the game, other then a little bit on knowledge.  Any and all major plot additions will be in the full game, but just like the people upset about this I have no proof, I'm just being logical. 

[Lonewarrior1392]

Honestly as long as I get to complete my main story line on my character, I do not care if there is prothy in it. I honestly do not see the big deal, maybe I am missing something. Oh well, I am getting the game and that is what matters to me.

[WizenSlinky0]

Wow. This "debate" is still going on?

Hilarious.

[_symphony]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

SOME ONE WHO SEES THE TRUTH! 

Theres NO PROOF its cut from the game, its OPTIONAL DLC

That sounds like the Salarian council member, "There's no proof that Sovering wasn't a geth construct"

[OdanUrr]

fropas wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Ah, Asimov, you were right.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"

By the by, Einstein was right too. I'll let you find out about what on your own.

Agreeing  with smart people doesn't make us smart. ppl are free to whine if they want, you shouldn't be discouraging them. Hopefully one day they'll see their "principles" aren't doing them any favors.

I'm not discouraging anyone here. People are free to voice their opinions, hopefully in a manner that is polite and respectful of other people's opinions. Doing your research beforehand is a plus too.

[Turran]

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

I think the main problem is, or what I see it as anyway, is that it shouldn't of been something that was included in the CE in the first place.
I know you wanted something special and you could of gained something special in another form! Stuff along the lines of new weapons, exclusive armor, new character skins for certain squaddies. Cosmetic stuff which doesn't really effect the game.

This is more content. And it isn't something small, like Kasumi. If it was something like Kasumi there wouldn't be such a reaction. But unfortunatly it is a Prothean squad member. Now we don't have proof really that it cuts from the game, but it is very obvious that it is a HUGE bit of lore and story people miss out on.
Even the CE buyers must know that this is a big big thing. Prothean, after following Mass Effect you know the Protheans are basically the reason the story exists in the first place.

Also the difference between this and things done previously, is that previously this sort of thing (Shale in Dragon Age: Origins being an example) came free when you bought ANY type of copy from a retail store and it being new. That was fine, if you bought it second hand then you would have to buy it online. (A way for Bioware/EA to still get money when it was bought second hand) now we have to buy the standard edition £30-£40? Then purchase another £10 item for a full story. Yes it is a full story again because it is such a big plot point.

[tomcruisejr]

Lonewarrior1392 wrote...

Honestly as long as I get to complete my main story line on my character, I do not care if there is prothy in it. I honestly do not see the big deal, maybe I am missing something. Oh well, I am getting the game and that is what matters to me.

They took out a major plot point and are reselling it for $10

essentially you're not buying the whole game with your $60 unless you get that dlc. its not small visual upgardes, its a huge story point.

[GuyIncognito21]

mjharper wrote...
True, they didn't say it would be a Prothean. But they did say that the CE would contain a new character and mission, etc. And with that information, you can either decide to pre-order the CE and get the extra stuff, or order the SE and not get the extra stuff.

It's not just that they didn't say it, it's that there was no reason to assume it either.  Given ME's past with release day content, there was no reason at all to assume it was integral to the story.

And now everyone who ordered the SE somehow thinks they are entitled to the stuff in the CE for free.

This entitlement business works both ways:

And now Bioware and EA apologists somehow think these companies are entitled to an extra $10 for something that should have been included in the game to begin with.

[Rockworm503]

Korvmannen wrote...

thrones6 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

Finally. So many drama queens in this thread, thought i'd never see someone mature.
I'm getting the DLC, maybe not the first day. But maybe a week after.
The playerbase always cries for childish stuff. Even if this DLC would be released later on, they would still cry.
Whatever really, don't like it ? Don't buy it.

That's the problem right there. People want to help out BW and do the "right thing", so they (including me) are upset about EA/BW making it incredibly hard to rationalize this DLC as acceptable. It's not very wise to ****** of the people who wants to give you money.

Yeah its not so simple as JUST DONT BUY it because many of us LOVE this series and WANT to buy it because its the damn 3rd game of the trilogy.....
Which goes back to this whole mess.
The more I think about it the more I think hey thats why their doing it now because its the 3rd in a beloved trilogy people are going to eat it up and LOVE it because hey we're going to buy it anyway right 

[LinksOcarina]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Exactly. You can't make the Zaeed comparison without answering for the fact that Zaeed was free and didn't touch on the core concepts of the narrative.

* And maybe I'll be banned for repeatedly acknowledging the fact that people pirate games when they're not happy with the way developers treat them, so be it. It's a fact, and it's a fact that factors heavily in the discussion about why it's a poor business practice to exploit and antagonize customers' loyalty to your product.

And those people are ****ing idiots if they think such an action is justfiyable.

By the way, a lot of users complained about Zaeed being free, because they bought the game used. So its a lose-lose no matter how Bioware does it at this point. People will complain.

[fropas]

tomcruisejr wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

The butthurt is strong with this thread

as is the Biodrone count.

Happy Biodrone or Butthurt community member. . . hmmm. . . which would I rather be?

[rainasa]

wrdnshprd wrote..



myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new REGARDLESS OF VERSION), and this whole mess goes away.

Actually, shale and the Ceberus network where added free to new copies as a marketing ploy so people would continue to buy the game new, but Mass effect 3 already has somthing like that regarding MP, so they instead added this to the CE edition and put it up as day one DLC, i really dont see the proplem with this, i mean it wasnt like shale and zaeed where made free from the goodness of their hearts

Modifié par rainasa, 23 février 2012 - 05:48 .

[Tiger]

tomcruisejr wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

The butthurt is strong with this thread

as is the Biodrone count.

Don't like it? dont buy it. People thing the prothean is a major plot point in the story, do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no. Kasumi wasnt a major plot point yet people still payed for her.

[nightcobra]

OdanUrr wrote...

Ah, Asimov, you were right.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"

By the by, Einstein was right too. I'll let you find out about what on your own.

probably not this one but it seems coincide with this forum in general

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

[fropas]

[quote]OdanUrr wrote...

[quote]fropas wrote...

[quote]OdanUrr wrote...

Ah, Asimov, you were right.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"

By the by, Einstein was right too. I'll let you find out about what on your own.
[/quote]

Agreeing  with smart people doesn't make us smart. ppl are free to whine if they want, you shouldn't be discouraging them. Hopefully one day they'll see their "principles" aren't doing them any favors.[/quote

I'm not discouraging anyone here. People are free to voice their opinions, hopefully in a manner that is polite and respectful of other people's opinions. Doing your research beforehand is a plus too.:)[/quote]

Oh, Nvm. I didn't know I was talking to a responsible consumer. disregard what I said.

[Xellana]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Descedent wrote...

_symphony wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Why should it be included???  It's extra content.  It provides nothing for the main narrative of the game, just like Kasumi's Memories.  And yes, I know exactly what I'm talking about before you get on your high horse.

That's what is pissing me off right now, is a prothean, and provides nothing to the main narrative, that's increible. The level of writing went downhill.

Someone get this man a crown. We know this is true. The biggest writer in bioware EVER is no longer with bioware!

Thats the part thats making me scratch my head.
A prothean.
Still alive.
Not important to the main story?
Bioware didn't even consider the possibilyt that the only survivor of the last Reaper invasion might actually be imporant in that regard?
wow writing out that out just makes me realize just how rediculous this has all become.  If this is where the writing is going I'm almost too scared to buy the game now.

thats the thing that is soo incredibly screwed about this whole thing.....unbelievable

[Niemack Saarinen]

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

[GuyIncognito21]

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

[Korvmannen]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Korvmannen wrote...

thrones6 wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

I'm very disappointed with BSN right now, judging from the ridiculous reactions to this announcement.

Bioware/EA is giving owners of the Standard Edition a chance to buy, and download, something that we, who pre-ordered the Collector's Edition, are getting in the package. I figured that more folks would be friggin' happy at the prospect. But I guess not.

It's optional DLC. Period. It's not necessary for the game. And unless somebody can provide me some hard proof that it was cut from the main game, I'm not buying into that line of bullsh*t. I consider it typical internet conjured crap that net dwellers typically freak out about. Nothing more. People need to think, and get some hard evidence before crucifying Bioware. The leaked script isn't enough, in my opinion, to do that.

And before some under aged basement dweller or entitlement class ass clown decides to peg me as a "Biodrone" or EA apologist, I will let it be known that I'm not a big fan of Electronic Arts. And Mass Effect is the only Bioware game I really give two sh*ts about. So, skip it. I'm only voicing my opinion based on the available facts on the issue. I've been an electronic gamer since the days of coin arcades in the late '70's and early '80's. I've seen some truly crappy things come out of the gaming industry over the years, and this deal with the Promethean DLC isn't one of them from what I can see. All of this hoopla isn't necessary at this point.

If somebody doesn't like it, don't buy the damned game or DLC. Somebody else, who isn't a drama queen over nothing other than some ****** poor supposition, will buy it.

As for the Mass Effect development team, I want to say that I do appreciate the work you've put into the Mass Effect franchise over the years. Even if I didn't agree with everything incorporated into the games, you guys have done a fairly good job at keeping me entertained in front of my console. But I highly doubt you will ever read this statement of thanks, because it will require sorting through 143+ pages of sh*tstorm to see it.

Stay classy, BSN.

Finally. So many drama queens in this thread, thought i'd never see someone mature.
I'm getting the DLC, maybe not the first day. But maybe a week after.
The playerbase always cries for childish stuff. Even if this DLC would be released later on, they would still cry.
Whatever really, don't like it ? Don't buy it.

That's the problem right there. People want to help out BW and do the "right thing", so they (including me) are upset about EA/BW making it incredibly hard to rationalize this DLC as acceptable. It's not very wise to ****** of the people who wants to give you money.

Yeah its not so simple as JUST DONT BUY it because many of us LOVE this series and WANT to buy it because its the damn 3rd game of the trilogy.....
Which goes back to this whole mess.
The more I think about it the more I think hey thats why their doing it now because its the 3rd in a beloved trilogy people are going to eat it up and LOVE it because hey we're going to buy it anyway right 

You don't have to be in this mess, if you got access to a friend who will buy it and lets you borrow their computer until/if this gets resolved and you can buy your own disc.