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Arsenal0602 wrote...

That is still based on the idea that you only get any information about the "Dinosaur" with the DLC, something that is only a guess right now, not fact.  And honestly other then some sotry elements. that again I am sure will be in the game with out the DLC.  What is he/she going to add?  It is like Zaeed, he started the blue suns, but that didn't add crap to the game, other then a little bit on knowledge.  Any and all major plot additions will be in the full game, but just like the people upset about this I have no proof, I'm just being logical. 

But the Zaeed DLC offered a Human Squaddie, sure he was a bad-ass who couldn't take 'No' as an answer, but he was still Human, something we have seen 100x over and know everything about.
This is a Prothean, it is new at the same time as being old. It's something we have never seen before but always heard about. It is something a squaddie has studied since they were first able to, it is something which the story has rotated around (Along with, ofcourse, the Reapers). It is just something which feels like, even though we dont know, a large bit of DLC which holds a lot of important story and history.

[Rockworm503]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

mjharper wrote...
True, they didn't say it would be a Prothean. But they did say that the CE would contain a new character and mission, etc. And with that information, you can either decide to pre-order the CE and get the extra stuff, or order the SE and not get the extra stuff.

It's not just that they didn't say it, it's that there was no reason to assume it either.  Given ME's past with release day content, there was no reason at all to assume it was integral to the story.

And now everyone who ordered the SE somehow thinks they are entitled to the stuff in the CE for free.

This entitlement business works both ways:

And now Bioware and EA apologists somehow think these companies are entitled to an extra $10 for something that should have been included in the game to begin with.

This times infinity.
People don't seem to get that.
Companies like EA seem to be taking their customers for granted.
the mentality seems to be "they'll buy it anyway so whatever"
No!
I shout to the rooftops NO.
I'll be damned if I'll be called a whiny baby with entitlement issues for asking when did 60 dollars for a game not be enough?
when did buying a damn game start to feel like a chore?

[Tiger]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

Like i said Kasumi wasnt a major plot point, its an added extra for the fans of the series. You dont need it to enjoy the game.

[Lonewarrior1392]

tomcruisejr wrote...

Lonewarrior1392 wrote...

Honestly as long as I get to complete my main story line on my character, I do not care if there is prothy in it. I honestly do not see the big deal, maybe I am missing something. Oh well, I am getting the game and that is what matters to me.

They took out a major plot point and are reselling it for $10

essentially you're not buying the whole game with your $60 unless you get that dlc. its not small visual upgardes, its a huge story point.

Well how is it a major plot point? Just because he is Protheon?? I would love to have a Protheon, but unless I need him to defeat the Reapers It doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Then again I never played any of the dlc. As long as I defeat the Reapers in ME 3 I am happy. Anything else as far as I am concerned can be delt with later.  I can see why people would be upset, I am just not.

[TheStoner]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

You grow up and learn the difference between this and politics.

[Arsenal0602]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

Because there is no logic to it.  gaming isn't to that point yet.

[mogonk]

I have a question, folks. Clear something up for me.

If work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build of the game....and the demo is based on a pre-final build of the game....why are there DLC files in the demo?

I don't understand how that is possible.

[Monochrome Wench]

TheStoner wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

You grow up and learn the difference between this and politics.

Politics is important, this is not!

[Goth Skunk]

Ha! Biodrone.

Biodrone > Angry member over DLC.

[tomcruisejr]

fropas wrote...

tomcruisejr wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

The butthurt is strong with this thread

as is the Biodrone count.

Happy Biodrone or Butthurt community member. . . hmmm. . . which would I rather be?

The one who isn't supporting the cutting of major content and reselling it instead of giving it for free like ME2  did?

[nitefyre410]

mogonk wrote...

I have a question, folks. Clear something up for me.

If work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build of the game....and the demo is based on a pre-final build of the game....why are there DLC files in the demo?

I don't understand how that is possible.

 

cause well its not...

[Kasen]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

Like i said Kasumi wasnt a major plot point, its an added extra for the fans of the series. You dont need it to enjoy the game.

It should be noted that there was evidence of leftover files for Kasumi in the original game as well, many months before the official release of her DLC. I remember seeing screenshots of her on the character screen floating around for awhile before she was ever announced. Same goes for certain voiceovers and the fact that the room on the Normandy where she resides was inaccessable until her DLC came out. Nobody complained then... well, I'm sure someone did.

[Monochrome Wench]

mogonk wrote...

I have a question, folks. Clear something up for me.

If work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build of the game....and the demo is based on a pre-final build of the game....why are there DLC files in the demo?

I don't understand how that is possible.

The DLC was obviously started before the game was finished, but the DLC was only finished after the game was finished

[jimmartens12]

If you think about the ME 3 story and what was told in ME 1, then this Prothean can't be important anyway. The protheans on Ilos were the last survivors and the died in order of the lack of energy (Vigil said this to Shepard). If even the protheans on Ilos weren't able to survive, hey how another mystical prothean comes from?

I don't like the idea of release DLCs but it's good that he is not part of the main story. If this prothean tells us all open secrets of the world and the Reapers and so on then every future Mass Effect game would be completely without background information and only focussing action and combat.

[Robin001]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Wow. This "debate" is still going on?

Hilarious.

Because people are pis**ed of this policy. Because of that !

[Niemack Saarinen]

TheStoner wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

You grow up and learn the difference between this and politics.

The way you little boys are making this out to be is almost exactly like politics.   "haves and have nots" The "Se's and the CE"S"  proletariat vs bourgeoisie.   Its a video game, is precisely the difference, you arent "entitlted" to it, quit making it such a big deal.

[JamesShepard777]

To the CE Owners Defending This Bull****: You do realize that CE was limited, right? As such, it's basically impossible for everyone who wanted a CE to get it. You get the DLC with your game because you were LUCKY or QUICK not because you were SMART. Saying others who didn't pre-order the CE don't deserve Javik isn't taking into that most of them could have or would have bought the CE if supplies weren't limited.

Even then, specifically setting aside story content, regardless of how large or small the impact might be, in order to give it to what you know is a select few is bad business to start with. Making it available to all doesn't solve the problem either, as it should've never been considered DLC in the first place.

[oYOSSARIANo]

I can live with day 1 DLC if it is really created after teams have stopped work on the core game. But choosing such a potentially interesting addition to the game, adding a 20 minute quest and charging $10 sucks. Your choice of species for the squad member and price tag screams price gouging.

I don't think I'll be finishing any fight soon

/waits for inevitable ME Trillogy Complete Collection this holiday season.

[OdanUrr]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Ah, Asimov, you were right.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"

By the by, Einstein was right too. I'll let you find out about what on your own.

probably not this one but it seems coincide with this forum in general

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

Better than the one I had in mind.

[Rockworm503]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

I wonder how many people could've gotten fed by the time it took you to write this post *rolls eyes*

seriously though you're here beceause?????

Not getting your daily high horse in real life?

[Lufven1]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

Like i said Kasumi wasnt a major plot point, its an added extra for the fans of the series. You dont need it to enjoy the game.

True. But Kasumi was not released on day one but Zaeed was, and he was free. The this is that we do not know if this character has any impact on the whole story but it sure looks like it.

[obie191970]

mogonk wrote...

I have a question, folks. Clear something up for me.

If work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build of the game....and the demo is based on a pre-final build of the game....why are there DLC files in the demo?

I don't understand how that is possible.

No one ever said that work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build.  They said the DLC was not finished when the final build was released for certification and manufacturing.

[tomcruisejr]

Basically a $70 for teh full game. Lol EA.

[wrdnshprd]

Foxtrot_212 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Dr Griner wrote...

What a bunch of greedy ****s. I cant believe how you can ****** all over your fans and then think a BS post makes it all good.

You have extra content available for the game for an EXTRA cost and the games not even released yet.

You make me sick...

This is what's wrong with the game industry.  Why release a great, full featured game when you can just release a skeleton of a game and charge customers $10 a pop for DLC to gradually put flesh on the bones.

This is content produced prior to the release of the game, sold at release....that isn't available to people who paid full retail price for the game.  It's absolutely outrageous.

I'm actually less disappointed with Bioware than I am with the idiots who make it possible for companies to behave this way.

One squad mate and one mission makes the MASSIVE two-disc game crammed with content a skeleton of a game? You can't possibly logically defend that position.

myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

so justify to us how this dlc should be any different?

'this was advertised 9 months ago..'

link me an article from back then where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

still waiting..

thats why people are upset.. all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new REGARDLESS OF VERSION), and this whole mess goes away.

Only 1 issue, it was Announced 9 months ago for the CE version, Most if not all the CE owners got it for the extra squadmate (Not knowing what it was) PLUS the aresenal pack and everything else. The DLC Squad mate should have been CE only but they decided to release it for 10 bucks,  if they gave it away free then I would Cancel my Pre order because I KNOW I wouldnt get money back towards it. 

(Personally I dont care just voicing an Argument thats going to pop up after you posted what you said)

point taken..

one problem though.. i guarantee you if bioware/EA would have advertised the dlc as prothean 9 months ago.. the BSN would have reacted just as they are now.. and justifiably so.

people didnt react like they are now because they (and myself) gave bioware/EA the benefit of the doubt.  most assumed the dlc was going to be nothing more than something like warden's keep, and the character not that important.

people arent upset that CE owners got exclusive DLC, but the fact that SE owners have to pay EXTRA for something bioware acknowledges as being a fairly important piece of lore.  where's the evidence?

for one, ITS A PROTHEAN lol..

secodly, from the OP:

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very
hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version).
As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers
could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

if this DLC character was so unimportant, explain to me why they felt the need to make it available to SE owners?

also, please explain to me how this dlc is any different than shale or zaeed because im not seeing it.

how people are willing to accept this type of thing as ok is beyond me.

[mogonk]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

mogonk wrote...

I have a question, folks. Clear something up for me.

If work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build of the game....and the demo is based on a pre-final build of the game....why are there DLC files in the demo?

I don't understand how that is possible.

The DLC was obviously started before the game was finished, but the DLC was only finished after the game was finished

But Casey Hudson said that they didn't start work on the DLC until after the game was finished.

Are you saying that the Executive Producer of Mass Effect is lying to the community?