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[Taty Bo Janglez]

What a way to thank me as a customer for over 10 years.

Take out an important chunk on the game and make me pay extra for it.

And if it is true that a PROTHEAN SQUADMATE Won't have any effect on my story, then I don't want to play the game sorry.

Thanks for thanking me Bioware, I appreciate it but I'll have to decline.

[Rockworm503]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Ha! Biodrone.

Biodrone > Angry member over DLC.

Someone whose proud to eat whatever they give him because it has their name on it.

Bravo sir for having no convictions whatsoever.

[Errationatus]

Somewhere, North America, 11:48AM
Bioware Motors, Canada

Dealer:  Good afternoon, sir!  Welcome to Bioware Motors.  

Patron1:  Yeah, thanks.  Whatchagot?

Dealer:  Our latest model, sir - the ME3 Turbo SE.  Just delivered from the factory a week ago.

Patron1:  Oh, yeah?  What's it got?  Looks sporty.

Dealer:     For only 60, you get all the standard equipment, plus AC,  a 3-CD player, faux leather interior,  computer-controlled braking system, an onboard GPS and a computer-assisted gasoline monitor that helps you save money.  It can use all three gasoline types with equal efficiency.  It comes with bucket seats,  and can be equipped as a standard or automatic, and is backed by our warranty assuring future upgrades, for a small fee.

Patron1:  That's pretty sweet.  Not bad.  I do believe I'll take it.

Dealer:  Thank you, sir, I...

Patron2:  Hey there, Patron1!  I see you're just about to buy the ME3 Turbo SE.

Patron1:  Yup.  It's pretty nice.  Sporty.  I bought the 2007 model and the 2009 one.  I like this series.

Patron2:  I agree,  I did too,  that's why I went for the Me3 HyperLX this time.  It's got everything yours has, except it has real leather heated seats, 12 CD -Changer in the upholstered trunk, full surround sound and full ABS.  It can also use diesel and cooking grease to power it, with the option to upgrade to full hydrocell in the future!  It also has a skid control built in and full power steering.  It also comes in Hyperblack, which only the LX has.  A bit steep, over 90 to get it, but I think it was worth it.  Had it all installed today, too.  Sweet, huh?

Patron1:  WTF!?  Hey, dealer, you piece of crap - how come he gets extras? Huh? You lying scum - what the hell are you trying to pull?!?

Dealer:  I don't understand the problem, sir?

Patron1:  Look, technically they're the same car, aren't they?  Same chassis, same engine, same wheels?

Dealer:  With minor differences, technically, yes.

Patron1:  That's what I thought!  But he gets all the extras?

Dealer:  Well, it is the luxury edition, sir.  However, for 10 more we can include...

Patron1:  Oh, no, you don't, you damned con artist!  If these two cars were technically identical when they were designed, then I want all those extras for free!  I bought the last two cars in this series!  I'm entitled!

Dealer:  Uh... sorry...?

Patron2:  How do you figure that you're entitled to a luxury edition when you were ready to buy the standard?  That makes no sense.  It never included the extras because it's the standard edition.

Patron1: Look, ******!  They're the same car!  At some point, a designer made the decision that all those extras could be installed onto the same body and the only real difference is the name!  I deserve those extras because I bought the same car! The same, the same, the same! Just because they're pandering to you rich basturds doesn't mean I shouldn't have it too! FFS!  And you should kiss my a ss and offer me something just for me for the privilege of me buying one of your cars in the first place!  And kiss my a ss!

Dealer:  Uh... you bought the standard edition.  We can install those extras are only 10 more...

Patron1:  I don't care if they're five or one or a hundred more!  I deserve them free because I bought the same car he did technically! Free because I bought two cars here before!  That proves I deserve it!  I say I do so I do!  

Patron2:  I don't think so.  Listen to yourself.

Patron1:  Aha! You just screwing me then? Rip off!  Gyp!  Thievery!  Injustice!  Unfettered greedy capitalism! It so figures!  That all you do to the beaten down guy who can barely afford a big screen tv and two consoles and a computer!  And you said it was afternoon, when technically it's not noon yet!  Conspiracy!  Lies everywhere!  I'm cancelling my car payment and going to the Bethesda Auto because even if their cars tend to stall they're nicer than you... and another thing... boobs in Witcher motors - superior!.....

Dealer:  Wow.  

Patron2:  Lack of thorazine in his diet, from the looks of it...

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 23 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[lrrose]

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

[ArkkAngel007]

rainasa wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote..



myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

so justify to us how this dlc should be any different?

'this was advertised 9 months ago..'

link me an article from back then where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

still waiting..

thats why people are upset.. all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new REGARDLESS OF VERSION), and this whole mess goes away.

Actually, shale and the Ceberus network where added free to new copies as a marketing ploy so people would continue to buy the game new, but Mass effect 3 already has somthing like that regarding MP, so they instead added this to the CE edition and put it up as day one DLC, i really dont see the proplem with this, i mean it wasnt like shale and zaeed where made free from the goodness of their hearts

The problem is that a) people don't belive CE owners should get anymore play value than they do, despite that CE still have to pay for the content and that that because Javik is a Prothean, he should be included in the main game, no matter how negligible his non-existant role is in the game.  That's why they want it free, outside of feeling entitled to not have to pay for additional content.

Really, my issue with the DLC proper is that it costs $10, which is fairly steep for maybe 2 hours, if that, of gameplay in a 600 mb file.  That would be the issue for me if I only had the SE.  I'd also have an issue with having paid DLC on launchdate, but that would have been if EVERYONE had to purchase it separately.  Since CE owners are already paying for it, it's fair that others do too.

[rob593]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

You imply those opposing your perspective are immature, yet your post is based on selfishness, you then resort to labeling and speculation.

Error code 1001 does not compute.

[mjharper]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

mjharper wrote...
True, they didn't say it would be a Prothean. But they did say that the CE would contain a new character and mission, etc. And with that information, you can either decide to pre-order the CE and get the extra stuff, or order the SE and not get the extra stuff.

It's not just that they didn't say it, it's that there was no reason to assume it either.  Given ME's past with release day content, there was no reason at all to assume it was integral to the story.

And now everyone who ordered the SE somehow thinks they are entitled to the stuff in the CE for free.

This entitlement business works both ways:

And now Bioware and EA apologists somehow think these companies are entitled to an extra $10 for something that should have been included in the game to begin with.

Can you please direct me to a verifiable source which says that the new character is "integral" to the story? Because as far as I can see, the only justification for statements about what should be have been included in the game is if the game is broken without it.

Not incomplete according to somebody's made-up definition. Not unethical accordinging to someone throwing around big terms. Broken.

If the Prothean is integral to the story, the game is broken without. If the game isn't broken without the Prothean, then it isn't integral.

So again: please prove to me that the SE is actually broken.

[jgordon11]

wrdnshprd wrote...

Daywalker315 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Dr Griner wrote...

What a bunch of greedy ****s. I cant believe how you can ****** all over your fans and then think a BS post makes it all good.

You have extra content available for the game for an EXTRA cost and the games not even released yet.

You make me sick...

This is what's wrong with the game industry.  Why release a great, full featured game when you can just release a skeleton of a game and charge customers $10 a pop for DLC to gradually put flesh on the bones.

This is content produced prior to the release of the game, sold at release....that isn't available to people who paid full retail price for the game.  It's absolutely outrageous.

I'm actually less disappointed with Bioware than I am with the idiots who make it possible for companies to behave this way.

One squad mate and one mission makes the MASSIVE two-disc game crammed with content a skeleton of a game? You can't possibly logically defend that position.

myself and others have said it a billion times, but somehow it gets overlooked.

whats the difference between this DLC and that of shale and zaeed, where the DLC was FREE for those that bought the game new  - REGARDLESS OF VERSION. 

oh right, NOTHING.

so justify to us how this dlc should be any different?

'this was advertised 9 months ago..'

link me an article from back then where bioware CONFIRMED the dlc character was a prothean..

still waiting..

thats why people are upset.. all bioware has to do is make this new game DLC (i.e. free if you buy the game new REGARDLESS OF VERSION), and this whole mess goes away.

Yeah you're right they should just make it free.  Its not like they paid voice actors and a seperate team to develop this DLC.  This DLC cost them money and yes it was in hopes of selling it for a profit because that is what buisnesses do.  It was completed after the game so wasn't just cut content, but rather a side project from the game to add onto the existing complete single player.

You know what Bioware should've done?  Not make the DLC at all and not dedicate the resources to putting a project together aimed at dedicated fans.  That way they wouldn't have had to keep putting resources to the project after the original game was completed and mostly deal with people who justify their unwillingness to spend $10 on a product wih morality simply because they feel they are entitled to something that they shouldn't be.

[Rockworm503]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

You grow up and learn the difference between this and politics.

The way you little boys are making this out to be is almost exactly like politics.   "haves and have nots" The "Se's and the CE"S"  proletariat vs bourgeoisie.   Its a video game, is precisely the difference, you arent "entitlted" to it, quit making it such a big deal.

Entitlement must be a new buzzword.
You heard it here first We're not entitled to the game we pay for.

[_symphony]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

tomcruisejr wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

The butthurt is strong with this thread

as is the Biodrone count.

Don't like it? dont buy it. People thing the prothean is a major plot point in the story, do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no. Kasumi wasnt a major plot point yet people still payed for her.

It doesn't bother you that you're getting a prothean that has no effect in the plot? Think about it. A prothean. And having him doesn't affects anything.

[appleroof76]

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

appleroof76 wrote...

nelly21 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Funny how CE's are getting justified nowadays for extra content that should be available with the main game. CE's are for the extra goodies you get along with it.  Physical items and what not.

Because you say so? Collector's Editions mean additional content. That's it. It's up to the people offering the CE to decide what that additional content is.

sure, so cut anything important from a game and sell it as dlc, or pay 70$ for a CE that contain everything IMPORTANT -not useless stuff like ****s or doggies-...WTF??!?!

how do you know the prothean is important?  Not only that but how do you know the prothean will be cut from the game entirley without the dlc?  

how do i know? Ehm...prothean is a key piece of the overall story told in ME....

for the rest, i don't know, but please, not fool ourselves: was done only for money

umm yeah again how is this individual prothean important to ME3's plot?  If your whole argument is "they're important to the lore" there's no reason that some prothean archive couldn't fill the same role.  I've yet to see any actual evidence to suggest that this prothean is integral to the plot, sure you'd assume he is but frankly he could be as important to ME3's plot as Zaeed was to ME2's.  

put it this way: its represent the perfect chance to tell the past of the crucial race in the universe of ME, Zaeed is a human, irrelevant in main history, a perfect content for a dlc by me. I only hope that in this sense the prothean of dlc does not impact on the history, now I got the game, although I feel cheated, we will see.

[nitefyre410]

wrdnshprd wrote...
*snip*

secodly, from the OP:

- The Collectors Edition has been sold out in most places for some time now, and is becoming very
hard to find (many players prefer not to purchase the digital version).
As such, we wanted to make this content available so that SE buyers
could also incorporate the Prothean into their game.

if this DLC character was so unimportant, explain to me why they felt the need to make it available to SE owners?

also, please explain to me how this dlc is any different than shale or zaeed because im not seeing it.

how people are willing to accept this type of thing as ok is beyond me.

 

The Kindness of Bioware big giving heart maybe

[GuyIncognito21]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...
do you think they would charge for a major plot point? no.

Why do you say "no?"  Because it would be unscrupulous for them to do it?

Because there is no logic to it.  gaming isn't to that point yet.

The fact that you stuck that "yet" in there suggests you acknowledge there IS a logic to it.  The logic is obvious: if we charge an extra $10 to access something the fans feel they need, all we have to do is make sure that we sell at least 6 times as many DLCs as the number of people who opt not to buy the game and we make more money!

And for this game, that's surely true.  I feel pretty comfortable assuming that the money lost from people who boycott the game because of this unscrupulous practice will more than be offset by the number of people willing to shell out an extra 10 bones.

But reputation matters in this business, and BW should be very careful about leveraging what was once a wonderful reputation for a quick buck.  It's a lot easier to drive away customers than it is to win them back, and at some point even the most ardent apologists are going to reach their tolerable limit of exploitation.

[TheStoner]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

TheStoner wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

If they make it free they ****** off people who bought CE. Giving it away free to en-titlist's is never going to happen, put your big boy pants on and grow up - its a video game. It isn't health care or welfare. You don't deserve squat, your money can be spent elsewhere, food, a roof over your head, clothing to keep you warm, or donate it to someone who needs those things. NOT a video game. Grow up.

You grow up and learn the difference between this and politics.

The way you little boys are making this out to be is almost exactly like politics.   "haves and have nots" The "Se's and the CE"S"  proletariat vs bourgeoisie.   Its a video game, is precisely the difference, you arent "entitlted" to it, quit making it such a big deal.

Yep still not getting the big defining difference here. The government isn't involved. We arn't using force to obtian our ends, we are using communication and our wallets. That is worlds away from modern politics.

[Arsenal0602]

Turran wrote...



But the Zaeed DLC offered a Human Squaddie, sure he was a bad-ass who couldn't take 'No' as an answer, but he was still Human, something we have seen 100x over and know everything about.
This is a Prothean, it is new at the same time as being old. It's something we have never seen before but always heard about. It is something a squaddie has studied since they were first able to, it is something which the story has rotated around (Along with, ofcourse, the Reapers). It is just something which feels like, even though we dont know, a large bit of DLC which holds a lot of important story and history.

OK I understand where you are coming from here, and yes I agree at the potential magnitude of it.  However, there is nothing to indicate that it is actually going to add any of that, at all.  This one prothean is not going to have happened to be put into stasis while holding the kill all reapers code.  Most likley this isn't going to be Captain America it is going to be Phillip J Fry.   Other then a few off hand comments all you are getting is another hired gun. 

Yes logically it should add a lot to the story, however there is nothign to prove that it will. Nor is there any proof that not having the DLC will take away any of the story, with what we all have as proof right now, he/she is found one way or another all we are missing out on is having them tag along on other missions.

[Tiger]

tomcruisejr wrote...

Basically a $70 for teh full game. Lol EA.

And you would have to spend way more than that for the "full" game of ME2. Whats your point?

[fropas]

tomcruisejr wrote...

fropas wrote...

tomcruisejr wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

The butthurt is strong with this thread

as is the Biodrone count.

Happy Biodrone or Butthurt community member. . . hmmm. . . which would I rather be?

The one who isn't supporting the cutting of major content and reselling it instead of giving it for free like ME2  did?

Zaeed was not major content nor was the free Normandy mission or the Firewalker pack. if that's major content to you then you must have pretty low standards

[rainasa]

mogonk wrote...

I have a question, folks. Clear something up for me.

If work on the DLC didn't begin until after the final build of the game....and the demo is based on a pre-final build of the game....why are there DLC files in the demo?

I don't understand how that is possible.

the only thing from the DLC from the demo is the VO from the prothean regarding the planet in it, its likely that they had the script of the dlc done by this time and strated to work on voicing it (which is always one of the first things they do in development) but due to time constraintes only really started with the coding and actual development of the dlc after it got certification

[mogonk]

lrrose wrote...

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

Well, the thing is, Casey Hudson said that working on the DLC didn't detract from working on the game proper, because they weren't working on the DLC until the game was finished.

And other Bioware employees have said that the Prothean was never "cut" from the game.

But if the Prothean was never intended to be in the full game....and they weren't working on the DLC at the same time as the full game....why are his voice files in the demo?

That doesn't seem possible.

[Exia001]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

mjharper wrote...
True, they didn't say it would be a Prothean. But they did say that the CE would contain a new character and mission, etc. And with that information, you can either decide to pre-order the CE and get the extra stuff, or order the SE and not get the extra stuff.

It's not just that they didn't say it, it's that there was no reason to assume it either.  Given ME's past with release day content, there was no reason at all to assume it was integral to the story.

And now everyone who ordered the SE somehow thinks they are entitled to the stuff in the CE for free.

This entitlement business works both ways:

And now Bioware and EA apologists somehow think these companies are entitled to an extra $10 for something that should have been included in the game to begin with.

My issue with this is the fuss made of 10 dollars,

Thats five pounds, 6 year olds get the in pocket money (allowence) in this country, we are all of an age where we can aquire that money it is a drop in the ocean. if indeed it was even 10 pounds I may reconsider, but five come on, all this talk of principals should be reserved for issues that matter, its a pittence in money

Modifié par Exia001, 23 février 2012 - 05:59 .

[ArkkAngel007]

lrrose wrote...

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

Because BioWare is lying obviously /sarcasm. 

I can understand the assumptions people have made and what is forming their opinions, but that was only initially.  It's been over 24 hours of the official announcement to us at this point now, and people still don't want to listen when they are told their argument is invalid when it is.

There are reasons to be a bit upset, but most of the reasons given are either just opinions or are way off the mark.  And none of it warrants boycotting, pirating, or the general hate that's being thrown around.

[mogonk]

rainasa wrote...

the only thing from the DLC from the demo is the VO from the prothean regarding the planet in it, its likely that they had the script of the dlc done by this time and strated to work on voicing it (which is always one of the first things they do in development) but due to time constraintes only really started with the coding and actual development of the dlc after it got certification

So they WERE using devlopment time on creating content they had no intention of releasing as part of the game.

Is that what you're saying?

[Turran]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Somewhere, North America, 11:48AM
Bioware Motors, Canada

Dealer:  Good afternoon, sir!  Welcome to Bioware Motors.  

Patron1:  Yeah, thanks.  Whatchagot?

*snip*

I am sorry to say that isn't what is going on here at all. And that whole situation is a bit wrong.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Rockworm503 wrote...


Entitlement must be a new buzzword.
You heard it here first We're not entitled to the game we pay for.

Sorry, was quoting Karl Marx too high above your education level?

Gomenasai.

[bennyjammin79]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Somewhere, North America, 11:48AM
Bioware Motors, Canada

Dealer:  Good afternoon, sir!  Welcome to Bioware Motors.  

Patron1:  Yeah, thanks.  Whatchagot?

Dealer:  Our latest model, sir - the ME3 Turbo SE.  Just delivered from the factory a week ago.

Patron1:  Oh, yeah?  What's it got?  Looks sporty.

Dealer:     For only 60, you get all the standard equipment, plus AC,  a 3-CD player, faux leather interior,  computer-controlled braking system, an onboard GPS and a computer-assisted gasoline monitor that helps you save money.  It can use all three gasoline types with equal efficiency.  It comes with bucket seats,  and can be equipped as a standard or automatic, and is backed by our warranty assuring future upgrades, for a small fee.

Patron1:  That's pretty sweet.  Not bad.  I do believe I'll take it.

Dealer:  Thank you, sir, I...

Patron2:  Hey there, Patron1!  I see you're just about to buy the ME3 Turbo SE.

Patron1:  Yup.  It's pretty nice.  Sporty.  I bought the 2007 model and the 2009 one.  I like this series.

Patron2:  I agree,  I did too,  that's why I went for the Me3 HyperLX this time.  It's got everything yours has, except it has real leather heated seats, 12 CD -Changer in the upholstered trunk, full surround sound and full ABS.  It can also use diesel and cooking grease to power it, with the option to upgrade to full hydrocell in the future!  It also has a skid control built in and full power steering.  It also comes in Hyperblack, which only the LX has.  A bit steep, over 90 to get it, but I think it was worth it.  Had it all installed today, too.  Sweet, huh?

Patron1:  WTF!?  Hey, dealer, you piece of crap - how come he gets extras? Huh? You lying scum - what the hell are you trying to pull?!?

Dealer:  I don't understand the problem, sir?

Patron1:  Look, technically they're the same car, aren't they?  Same chassis, same engine, same wheels?

Dealer:  With minor differences, technically, yes.

Patron1:  That's what I thought!  But he gets all the extras?

Dealer:  Well, it is the luxury edition, sir.  However, for 10 more we can include...

Patron1:  Oh, no, you don't, you damned con artist!  If these two cars were technically identical when they were designed, then I want all those extras for free!  I bought the last two cars in this series!  I'm entitled!

Dealer:  Uh... sorry...?

Patron2:  How do you figure that you're entitled to a luxury edition when you were ready to buy the standard?  That makes no sense.  It never included the extras because it's the standard edition.

Patron1: Look, ******!  They're the same car!  At some point, a designer made the decision that all those extras could be installed onto the same body and the only real difference is the name!  I deserve those extras because I bought the same car! The same, the same, the same! Just because they're pandering to you rich basturds doesn't mean I shouldn't have it too! FFS!  And you should kiss my a ss and offer me something just for me for the privilege of me buying one of your cars in the first place!  And kiss my a ss!

Dealer:  Uh... you bought the standard edition.  We can install those extras are only 10 more...

Patron1:  I don't care if they're five or one or a hundred more!  I deserve them free because I bought the same car he did technically! Free because I bought two cars here before!  That proves I deserve it!  I say I do so I do!  

Patron2:  I don't think so.  Listen to yourself.

Patron1:  Aha! You just screwing me then? Rip off!  Gyp!  Thievery!  Injustice!  Unfettered greedy capitalism! It so figures!  That all you do to the beaten down guy who can barely afford a big screen tv and two consoles and a computer!  And you said it was afternoon, when technically it's not noon yet!  Conspiracy!  Lies everywhere!  I'm cancelling my car payment and going to the Bethesda Auto because even if their cars tend to stall they're nicer than you... and another thing... boobs in Witcher motors - superior!.....

Dealer:  Wow.  

Patron2:  Lack of thorazine in his diet, from the looks of it...