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[Farbautisonn]

Here is the thing in a nutshell.

If the prothean is pivotal to the ME experience, he would have to have a ton of lore, a ton of dialogue and a ton of info to impart. Plus introducing a race thats supposedly been dead for 50k years takes one hell of an epic piece of creative writing to pull off convincingly. I dont think anyone would be able to argue that.

However the prothean is introduced as a sidekick, a dlc. Done by a seperate team. To me at least that spells "Non-pivotal", "Not backed by a ton of lore" and "just another ragdoll with a crap base storyline".

Now if the "fleshing out" of charaters from ME2 is around the same "fleshing out" we get for ME3, then the prothean addition will be an utter joke. A codex entry and a ragdoll with the occasional dialogue. Not some npc that really has 50K years plus of lore to offer us. That would require massive amounts of writing on a PS:T esque scale to pull that off effectively, and even if writers are cheap, they arent THAT cheap.

As I see it, the prothean is simply a sidekick with a funny face and a massive case of amnesia and inability to shed light on the countless questions on culture, sociology, history and warfare that linger in the mind of all ME fans.

Do you really want that NPC as a sidekick? Id feel cheated everytime I saw him onscreen. Id feel robbed of countless megabytes of lore, hours of listening to the history of the protheans etc.

I have faith in Bioware to deliver a good product but if they can pull "the prothean" off convincingly and effectively then they bloody well deserve a Nobel prize in litterature.

[RiouHotaru]

Ryzaki wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...
Uhhh, he offers insight into galactic culture and has some opinions.  But absolutely NOTHING plot-critical, exactly like Kasumi, Zaeed, Shale, and Sebastian.  The leak makes that clear.

Seb should not be on that list.

Without Seb you lose quite a bit of the backstory on the explosion between mages and templars.

But that backstory wasn't plot relevant.  NOT knowing the backstory in no way effected the game.

It effects your understanding of the main plot (in a way that no other DLC squaddie does) yes I consider that effecting the game.

Zaeed tells us he helped found the Blue Suns.  It offers a great deal of insight into the group.  Does it change ANYTHING in-game?  Nope.

Kasumi's grey box hints/foreshadows Arrival, but does it actually alter the game or change the ending?  Nope.

Adding backstory and lore is perfectly fine, and that's exactly what Sebastian did.  But he did NOT alter the game by his existence.  Altered your understanding, yes.  But understanding alone doesn't mean anything.

[iRAWRasaurusREX]

Does "From Ashes" come with the CE?

[Gaizokubanou]

This is the same company that said they couldn't get controller support in for PC because of lack of development resources.

So they shifted resources from technical support in order to make central lore content, which is good... except they are charging us extra for it.

That is not cool at all. Very shady and it'll get Bioware/EA my frowny face and no money!

And no, I won't pirate the game. Yes, I'll be missing out because I really think ME3 will be an excellent game. But I just can't support this kind of business practice. There are plenty of great games out there anyway.

[ThomasakaDes_]

fnootface wrote...

There's a Prothean squadmate? They aren't extinct? Well that would have been an exciting surprise if you hadn't spoiled it. Pretty angry.

Lol, did you play ME2?
Or has it been a very long time since you played it?

Protheans aren`t extinct, they were just being manipulated by the Reapers, they`re slaves of them now.
They did tell us that in ME2, in the mission where you`re checking out a derlict reaper ship.

[MisterrAlex]

I've posted this a few other places, but here's my personal theory and opinion to this matter:

People may disagree, but this is a absolute circle, as in the fact if they release the bonus DLC for free, then the CE owners would complain about the fact that it was exclusive for them and they paid 20 extra dollars for absolutely nothing, however, since the CE's were sold out super fast, Bioware wanted to offer the bonus character to other people, thus creating the From Dust DLC to everyone. Now, if the DLC stuck to CE only, people would be also complaining about the fact that it was exclusive to CE, and they couldn't get it because, maybe the CE was sold out, or they didn't have enough money at the time. Face it, if it was free, exclusive, whatever, it would all end up into complaining from everyone, it was stated a long time back that it was going to be in the CE anyways. I don't really care if you disagree or flame me, but this is my personal theory.

Modifié par MisterrAlex, 22 février 2012 - 11:45 .

[Kroepoek]

Daywalker315 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Implying EA gives a crap what you people think. Most of you chums will buy this anyway and swallow it giving EA the idea this is actually a good and justified concept.

Implying the files for the DLC aren't already in the full game and will be enabled once you purchase it.

600MB+ download proves your last sentence wrong.

Implying the files in the main game for the DLC are that big to begin with.

[LinksOcarina]

packardbell wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

packardbell wrote...

I can't believe people are trying to justify this decision. I've bought every single one of their games and pieces of DLC, but a line has to be drawn somewhere, milking your loyal customers of a purchase that should be available to all is downright insulting and makes me want to cancel my pre-order right away... maybe this will be my last Bioware purchase until they change their business ethics.. or at least EA.

tl;dr: It should be included for everyone, I see no reason why it wasn't, ala Sebastian, Zaeed and Shale... all available for free for loyal customers.

Sebastian wasn't free for customers who didn't get the signature edtion of the game. And people moaned over the fact that Zaeed and Shale were free for new buyers only at the time too, complaining that signing up and getting them for free over the cost of 10-15 dollars after the fact is wrong. 

So honestly, it doesn't matter how Bioware does things, because people will always think they are entitled to something that was made into a planned extra.

If you pre-ordered DA2 before a certain time then your copy would get a free upgrade to the signature edition which would include Sebastian and other bits of content at no extra cost, yes I would rather it be avaliable to all day 1 purchases of the game but it's still much better than this situation.. and Sebastian wasn't really intregal to the game, was just a nice character to have. But again it was a bonus to all the loyal customers who pre-order from day 1. Spin it al lyou want but this is not acceptable.

It's the same damn thing though. The character is extra content at no cost for those who got the collectors edition, and is optional content for those who wish to download it. If they decided to upgrade everything to the collectors edition suddenly to include the Prothean code in the box, people would still complain despite getting their way.

I'm not spinning anything really, i'm calling people out on the fact that their behavior towards this is unacceptable because its the choice of the company to do what they please with the product.

[Chris Priestly]

iRAWRasaurusREX wrote...

Does "From Ashes" come with the CE?

Yes.

[DJBare]

15,024 likes, 583 dislikes
It's not the figure, it's the margin.

[Daywalker315]

Genshie wrote...

Kog27 wrote...

Yes, it is clear this stuff was being developed all along with ME3 but theyre making you buy it if you dont get the CE? Horrible practice. The lying makes it worse.

Horrible how? (Or are you being sarcastic?) It was originally meant as CE only material and Bioware is giving everyone a chance to get it. I am paying more for CE so I expect more than the standard edition.

Granted, it was PROBABLY always their intention to sell it to standard owners and used buyers separately. However, the CE point is still valid. I bought CE mostly due to the bonus character, which at the time I didn't know if it would be exclusive to CE or not, and I wouldn't want standard owners to get it for free if it was marketed as a bonus specifically to CE buyers.

[Genshie]

Amikae wrote...

I've never had a harder time cancelling a preorder.

And you probably made one person very happy if that copy was a CE. See how it works? This boycott isn't going to do much in the long run in terms of sales. Yes, Bioware may respond to this but it won't effect sales in the long run.

[Urza]

I wonder if people will be as mad after ME3 comes out and the Prothean character has as little dialog outside the DLC mission as previous dlc characters.

[RiouHotaru]

Chibito wrote...

You get the CE stuff, which shouldn't include any notable content, but rather EXTRAS, like a soundtrack, an art book, some cosmetic stuff, maybe even an armor. Not a goddamn prothean.

But the prothean doesn't in any way alter the course the game.  He likely adds to your War Assets and has some interesting backstory, NONE of which is critical to the central plot.

[Sargerus]

Question: Does the Origin Digital Deluxe edition give access to the Prothean squadmate?

[N7Infernox]

Chris Priestly wrote...

iRAWRasaurusREX wrote...

Does "From Ashes" come with the CE?

Yes.

Chris is watching us...

[CDRSkyShepard]

Wardka wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

People, I paid $20 extra for the CE, which includes Prothy as part of that $20 package. We all knew a DLC squad member would be part of that deal a long time ago. You want for free what I paid for? Um, how about no? Now, I didn't just pay for Prothy's DLC, but he was included in the purchase price. You should not be getting for free what I paid for. Sorry, there's no other way to slice it.

How about that I believe that you shouldn't have had to pay extra for "Prothy" in the first place? That you're being ripped off along with the rest of the people buying the game?

Then what did I pay for? A bunch of new guns, AA packs, a robodog, a digital soundtrack, an art book, etc? I bought the CE thinking, "Dang! I got a bang for my buck because I get this superficial stuff AND a DLC character! Cool!" You make him available to everyone, you take away one of the biggest reasons I bought the CE in the first place. He was advertised as being part of the CE, you can't expect BioWare to go back on themselves and go, "Just kidding guys, that guy we were gonna include as part of the CE? Yeah, everyone can have him now!"

[hitorihanzo]

ThebisRaidan wrote...

Can't help but to agree with TotalBiscuit

Ill be honest, I didn't think of some of the points that he presented. But now that you see it laid out, this is really ****ty business. I have put down $40 US on my reserved copy of the game. I'm now considering canceling it and buying it used later. I have waited years already. Waiting a few months until it's used wont be that bad, especially considering that spring is coming up and I'll be busy.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Sargerus wrote...

Question: Does the Origin Digital Deluxe edition give access to the Prothean squadmate?

Yes. The Origin Digital Deluxe is basically the CE in electronic form without the physical goodies.

[Urza]

Genshie wrote...

Amikae wrote...

I've never had a harder time cancelling a preorder.

And you probably made one person very happy if that copy was a CE. See how it works? This boycott isn't going to do much in the long run in terms of sales. Yes, Bioware may respond to this but it won't effect sales in the long run.

No kidding. I'm sure his gamestop will be able to sell it to someone day 1 that wanted the CE but waited too long to preorder.

[LucretoDrakor]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Solgineer wrote...

I'm not bothered that the CE edition is getting an exclusive character, but I AM bothered it is a Prothean. If it were some human merc like Zaeed or Kasumi then woop de doo, keep him. But a Prothean is important to the story, and it is taking out a chunk of it.

CE pay for it. You can pay for it. Are you retarded or what there is nothing to complain about.

Don't you have any sence of morals or are you just so brainwashed your willing to give EA more money and reward them for this bull**** way of doing business?

[El Ejcovero]

[quote]Almostfaceman wrote...
[/quote]

Actually, you are wrong. The entirety of the DLC was not complete before the core game was certified. It was built in parallel with and after the core game.

It is extra content for the CE.

Now, if you didn't buy the CE, the question is, how soon did you want your hands on this extra content they get?

[/quote]

How does that change anything? That just proves my point further:

This is wrong.
They honestly think that just because it was made seperately it makes it right? Why are you buying this? I am making a statement for your own good. It is just like the Deus Ex developers blaming the stupid parts of their game (the bosses) to another studio, yeah, but that doesn't make it right and it doesn't remove the fact the elephant in the room is still in the room. Developers blaming others, blamign EA doesn't change the fact this is unacceptable and boycott worthy.

Modifié par El Ejcovero, 22 février 2012 - 11:47 .

[rumbalumba]

what a bunch of bullcrap.

"the DLC is developed by a separate team after the game was finished"
- sorry, but no one believes you.

[Ryzaki]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Zaeed tells us he helped found the Blue Suns.  It offers a great deal of insight into the group.  Does it change ANYTHING in-game?  Nope.

Kasumi's grey box hints/foreshadows Arrival, but does it actually alter the game or change the ending?  Nope.

Adding backstory and lore is perfectly fine, and that's exactly what Sebastian did.  But he did NOT alter the game by his existence.  Altered your understanding, yes.  But understanding alone doesn't mean anything.

The blue suns and Kasumi's greybox have absolutely NOTHING to do with the main plot of ME2. Nothing.

Understanding the main plot of the game you're currently playing to me is critical. We probably disagree on that front however.