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JakeMacDon wrote...

Somewhere, North America, 11:48AM
Bioware Motors, Canada

Dealer:  Good afternoon, sir!  Welcome to Bioware Motors.  

Patron1:  Yeah, thanks.  Whatchagot?

Dealer:  Our latest model, sir - the ME3 Turbo SE.  Just delivered from the factory a week ago.

Patron1:  Oh, yeah?  What's it got?  Looks sporty.

Dealer:     For only 60, you get all the standard equipment, plus AC,  a 3-CD player, faux leather interior,  computer-controlled braking system, an onboard GPS and a computer-assisted gasoline monitor that helps you save money.  It can use all three gasoline types with equal efficiency.  It comes with bucket seats,  and can be equipped as a standard or automatic, and is backed by our warranty assuring future upgrades, for a small fee.

Patron1:  That's pretty sweet.  Not bad.  I do believe I'll take it.

Dealer:  Thank you, sir, I...

Patron2:  Hey there, Patron1!  I see you're just about to buy the ME3 Turbo SE.

Patron1:  Yup.  It's pretty nice.  Sporty.  I bought the 2007 model and the 2009 one.  I like this series.

Patron2:  I agree,  I did too,  that's why I went for the Me3 HyperLX this time.  It's got everything yours has, except it has real leather heated seats, 12 CD -Changer in the upholstered trunk, full surround sound and full ABS.  It can also use diesel and cooking grease to power it, with the option to upgrade to full hydrocell in the future!  It also has a skid control built in and full power steering.  It also comes in Hyperblack, which only the LX has.  A bit steep, over 90 to get it, but I think it was worth it.  Had it all installed today, too.  Sweet, huh?

Patron1:  WTF!?  Hey, dealer, you piece of crap - how come he gets extras? Huh? You lying scum - what the hell are you trying to pull?!?

Dealer:  I don't understand the problem, sir?

Patron1:  Look, technically they're the same car, aren't they?  Same chassis, same engine, same wheels?

Dealer:  With minor differences, technically, yes.

Patron1:  That's what I thought!  But he gets all the extras?

Dealer:  Well, it is the luxury edition, sir.  However, for 10 more we can include...

Patron1:  Oh, no, you don't, you damned con artist!  If these two cars were technically identical when they were designed, then I want all those extras for free!  I bought the last two cars in this series!  I'm entitled!

Dealer:  Uh... sorry...?

Patron2:  How do you figure that you're entitled to a luxury edition when you were ready to buy the standard?  That makes no sense.  It never included the extras because it's the standard edition.

Patron1: Look, ******!  They're the same car!  At some point, a designer made the decision that all those extras could be installed onto the same body and the only real difference is the name!  I deserve those extras because I bought the same car! The same, the same, the same! Just because they're pandering to you rich basturds doesn't mean I shouldn't have it too! FFS!  And you should kiss my a ss and offer me something just for me for the privilege of me buying one of your cars in the first place!  And kiss my a ss!

Dealer:  Uh... you bought the standard edition.  We can install those extras are only 10 more...

Patron1:  I don't care if they're five or one or a hundred more!  I deserve them free because I bought the same car he did technically! Free because I bought two cars here before!  That proves I deserve it!  I say I do so I do!  

Patron2:  I don't think so.  Listen to yourself.

Patron1:  Aha! You just screwing me then? Rip off!  Gyp!  Thievery!  Injustice!  Unfettered greedy capitalism! It so figures!  That all you do to the beaten down guy who can barely afford a big screen tv and two consoles and a computer!  And you said it was afternoon, when technically it's not noon yet!  Conspiracy!  Lies everywhere!  I'm cancelling my car payment and going to the Bethesda Auto because even if their cars tend to stall they're nicer than you... and another thing... boobs in Witcher motors - superior!.....

Dealer:  Wow.  

Patron2:  Lack of thorazine in his diet, from the looks of it...

Wow you make the CE sound so luxurious lol.

[Goth Skunk]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Ha! Biodrone.

Biodrone > Angry member over DLC.

Someone whose proud to eat whatever they give him because it has their name on it.

Bravo sir for having no convictions whatsoever.

Says you.

I'm going to be the proud owner of a Collector's Edition Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 3 come March 6th. I have my convictions. And just because they're not in line with yours, that makes me less of a human being? I'd like to know where your authority over me comes from.

While I'll be saving the galaxy and having a fun time doing so, where will YOU be? Holding true to your convictions? Waiting until you get what you want?

Why don't you travel up to Edmonton or down to Austin, pitch a tent, and 'occupy' their parking lot while you're at it?

tl;dr: I'm better than you. Deal with it.

Modifié par Goth Skunk, 23 février 2012 - 06:01 .

[GuyIncognito21]

mjharper wrote...
Can you please direct me to a verifiable source which says that the new character is "integral" to the story? Because as far as I can see, the only justification for statements about what should be have been included in the game is if the game is broken without it.

That doesn't work.  Madden with 31 teams (buy the Dallas Cowboys DLC for only $10 more!) wouldn't be "broken"  It would still be a perfectly serviceable game of football.

Protheans are integral to the story because they're protheans.  The fact that they chose to make the character a prothean and then tried to extort more money out of people is proof that they understood the importance of them.

And the OP itself says that the devs felt strongly enough about this content that they felt compelled to "make it available" to everyone.  They just want you to pay them for it.

[XqctaX]

_symphony wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

The prothean IS optional... how is that even debatable? If he is NOT integral to the storyline... then he is the very definition of optional, just like Kasumi and Zaeed, neither are needed for the full experience but are nice to have

Then this is increible poor writting. How can you have a protean around and not being important to the main plot.

you have someone else tham Drew in the lead and they f,k it up
.biowar

[Kroepoek]

Just jumping in? Here is a good explanation video.

[FutureBoy81]

~I Really cant believe how many people are actually going for this i read an article some
m time ago about how companys were gonna start turning there games into micro transactions, meaning that they were going to start a game price at say 50 bucks and keep selling bits of the game at 10 bucks a pop, CONTENT that was already complete and should have been in the game to start with, i see there testing the waters again to see how far they can push the consumer, that mixed with the transition of the game to focus on the shooting aspects makes sense getting a more general audience to alienate there original fan base nice work bioware your Assimilation has been complete by EA the money grubbing ****s ..

[nitefyre410]

Fix1o0 wrote...

Just jumping in? Here is a good explanation video.

 

how did I know that was what this link was...

[Rockworm503]

I think I'm just going to ignore people who throw "entitled" around like its a new swear word.
being charged for day 1 DLC lol it seems like EA who are entitled maybe I should just throw my wallet at them.... You think then I'll feel entitled for something?

[Kasen]

mogonk wrote...

lrrose wrote...

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

Well, the thing is, Casey Hudson said that working on the DLC didn't detract from working on the game proper, because they weren't working on the DLC until the game was finished.

And other Bioware employees have said that the Prothean was never "cut" from the game.

But if the Prothean was never intended to be in the full game....and they weren't working on the DLC at the same time as the full game....why are his voice files in the demo?

That doesn't seem possible.

I think part of the problem is understanding what "finished" means to a developer. As I understand it, and I'm not in the industry so I could be wrong, they finished the storyboard; you know, who goes where, does what and when. The basic outline of the story... then while the rest of the team went forward with that, the writers said to themselves, "Hey, I've got this great idea... how can we implement this guy into what we've already made?"

Again, just my admittedly oversimplified assumption...

[fropas]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Communist... so many communist.

LOL wtf? this is totally getting off-topic.

[GuyIncognito21]

Exia001 wrote...
My issue with this is the fuss made of 10 dollars,

The horrifying exploitative logic of it all wouldn't be different if it was ONE dollar, or a hundred dollars.  The amount of money is not the issue here.

[Rockworm503]

Goth Skunk wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

Ha! Biodrone.

Biodrone > Angry member over DLC.

Someone whose proud to eat whatever they give him because it has their name on it.

Bravo sir for having no convictions whatsoever.

Says you.

I'm going to be the proud owner of a Collector's Edition Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 3 come March 6th. I have my convictions. And just because they're not in line with yours, that makes me less of a human being? I'd like to know where your authority over me comes from.

While I'll be saving the galaxy and having a fun time doing so, where will YOU be? Holding true to your convictions? Waiting until you get what you want?

Why don't you travel up to Edmonton or down to Austin, pitch a tent, and 'occupy' their parking lot while you're at it?

tl;dr: I'm better than you. Deal with it.

The funnies fanboy I've ever seen.

Your entire life is based around this one game.
It must be nice living such a simple life.
Some of us however deal with reality.

[rob593]

Kasen13 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

lrrose wrote...

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

Well, the thing is, Casey Hudson said that working on the DLC didn't detract from working on the game proper, because they weren't working on the DLC until the game was finished.

And other Bioware employees have said that the Prothean was never "cut" from the game.

But if the Prothean was never intended to be in the full game....and they weren't working on the DLC at the same time as the full game....why are his voice files in the demo?

That doesn't seem possible.

I think part of the problem is understanding what "finished" means to a developer. As I understand it, and I'm not in the industry so I could be wrong, they finished the storyboard; you know, who goes where, does what and when. The basic outline of the story... then while the rest of the team went forward with that, the writers said to themselves, "Hey, I've got this great idea... how can we implement this guy into what we've already made?"

Again, just my admittedly oversimplified assumption...

They should have been saying "hey, how can we make what we have made better"

[Turran]

Arsenal0602 wrote...

OK I understand where you are coming from here, and yes I agree at the potential magnitude of it.  However, there is nothing to indicate that it is actually going to add any of that, at all.  This one prothean is not going to have happened to be put into stasis while holding the kill all reapers code.  Most likley this isn't going to be Captain America it is going to be Phillip J Fry.   Other then a few off hand comments all you are getting is another hired gun. 

Yes logically it should add a lot to the story, however there is nothign to prove that it will. Nor is there any proof that not having the DLC will take away any of the story, with what we all have as proof right now, he/she is found one way or another all we are missing out on is having them tag along on other missions.

Mmmm.. Ok. I now just hope that it won't add a whole bunch of story and options to the game (as harsh as that sounds).
I can see both sides of the argument/discussion, but I still feel something like this should of been treated the way Shale was treated in DA:O, free to anyone who bought an original/new copy from a shop/store and that the Collector's Edition only included cosmetic items and not an item which gives such an illusion, (or something along this discussion happens).

Ah well, I am sure everyone has learnt something from this.. Somewhere.. Hopefully.. 



edit: It's just the game went gold not long ago, and I feel that as this was announced a year or so ago that a Prothean Squaddie was going to appear somewhere, that it really could of been added to the original game and not been sold for even more money.. 

Modifié par Turran, 23 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[Monochrome Wench]

No, the amount of money is the issue. What if it was 1 c? 2? 10? 25c? You'd have your limit. What if they charged you only what the hosting costs for you to download the file were? Would you have an issue the. How about trying to recover some development costs? That ok? Where is your limit...

[TK Dude]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Fix1o0 wrote...

Just jumping in? Here is a good explanation video.

 

how did I know that was what this link was...

Because people posted it so many times. 

[ArkkAngel007]

mogonk wrote...

rainasa wrote...

the only thing from the DLC from the demo is the VO from the prothean regarding the planet in it, its likely that they had the script of the dlc done by this time and strated to work on voicing it (which is always one of the first things they do in development) but due to time constraintes only really started with the coding and actual development of the dlc after it got certification

So they WERE using devlopment time on creating content they had no intention of releasing as part of the game.

Is that what you're saying?

Considering the VO work had to be done during the actual deveopment time, yes.

It's not uncommon for that to happen.  It also saves space on the downloaded file.  

[mogonk]

Kasen13 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

lrrose wrote...

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

Well, the thing is, Casey Hudson said that working on the DLC didn't detract from working on the game proper, because they weren't working on the DLC until the game was finished.

And other Bioware employees have said that the Prothean was never "cut" from the game.

But if the Prothean was never intended to be in the full game....and they weren't working on the DLC at the same time as the full game....why are his voice files in the demo?

That doesn't seem possible.

I think part of the problem is understanding what "finished" means to a developer. As I understand it, and I'm not in the industry so I could be wrong, they finished the storyboard; you know, who goes where, does what and when. The basic outline of the story... then while the rest of the team went forward with that, the writers said to themselves, "Hey, I've got this great idea... how can we implement this guy into what we've already made?"

Again, just my admittedly oversimplified assumption...

Well, that would make sense, but when they said "finished" they were pretty clear that they meant the game had been sent off to MS for certification or whatever process it has to go throught.

Casey said they were FINISHED.  As in full game.  Complete.

So.....again, how is that possible?

[Arsenal0602]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

The fact that you stuck that "yet" in there suggests you acknowledge there IS a logic to it.  The logic is obvious: if we charge an extra $10 to access something the fans feel they need, all we have to do is make sure that we sell at least 6 times as many DLCs as the number of people who opt not to buy the game and we make more money!

And for this game, that's surely true.  I feel pretty comfortable assuming that the money lost from people who boycott the game because of this unscrupulous practice will more than be offset by the number of people willing to shell out an extra 10 bones.

But reputation matters in this business, and BW should be very careful about leveraging what was once a wonderful reputation for a quick buck.  It's a lot easier to drive away customers than it is to win them back, and at some point even the most ardent apologists are going to reach their tolerable limit of exploitation.

No I stuck yet in there meaning that it has not happened yet.  Nothing more to it then that. 

And the fact that you stated that  "if we charge and extra $10 to access something the fans FEEL they need"

Feel is the important work here, the people that have to pay for the DLC feel like they need it. But do they really?  Or is this just some fluff DLC that has a charecter people are assuming adds more to the story. But nothing to back that up.

Now while part of the game, Legion is important, however you bring him anywhere and who says something to you? You would think running around and doing some missions on the citadel with a Geth would have some comments, but it does not. This is going to be the same thing.

But just like everything else here I have no proof and am just going off a logical guess.

[dangermouseuk78]

jimmartens12 wrote...

If you think about the ME 3 story and what was told in ME 1, then this Prothean can't be important anyway. The protheans on Ilos were the last survivors and the died in order of the lack of energy (Vigil said this to Shepard). If even the protheans on Ilos weren't able to survive, hey how another mystical prothean comes from?

I don't like the idea of release DLCs but it's good that he is not part of the main story. If this prothean tells us all open secrets of the world and the Reapers and so on then every future Mass Effect game would be completely without background information and only focussing action and combat.

Actually not all Protheans Died there some went off through the Conduit to the Citadel and nobody knows what happen to them, did they die did they escape the citadel it wasnt said. The Protheans are some of the few of the many Harvested Races that gave the reapers a good fight.

[Kasen]

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

lrrose wrote...

There are voice files for Prothy in the demo for the Sur'Kesh mission. Other squaddies have simliar voice files. The previous demo leak contained scripts of his scenes, but nothing about his recruitment or personal mission (assuming he has one). I honestly don't see why people refuse to take Bioware at their word on this. The last four DLC companions have all been interesting (except for Sebastian) and integrated well into the main game without making the game feel incomplete without them.

Well, the thing is, Casey Hudson said that working on the DLC didn't detract from working on the game proper, because they weren't working on the DLC until the game was finished.

And other Bioware employees have said that the Prothean was never "cut" from the game.

But if the Prothean was never intended to be in the full game....and they weren't working on the DLC at the same time as the full game....why are his voice files in the demo?

That doesn't seem possible.

I think part of the problem is understanding what "finished" means to a developer. As I understand it, and I'm not in the industry so I could be wrong, they finished the storyboard; you know, who goes where, does what and when. The basic outline of the story... then while the rest of the team went forward with that, the writers said to themselves, "Hey, I've got this great idea... how can we implement this guy into what we've already made?"

Again, just my admittedly oversimplified assumption...

They should have been saying "hey, how can we make what we have made better"

And I would consider the addition of this character to be making it better...

[Rycr]

You know, we know very little about what is going to happen in Mass Effect 3. For all we know, a Prothean survivor could show up in the main game too, just not as a squadmate. Wouldn't that make all of the "integral part of the story" arguments completely invalid?