13369 réponses à ce sujet

[Tiger]

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

You could get shadow broker files and kasumi files in ME2 way before they even came out. Same thing here

[TK Dude]

StableZaner wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

WE GET IT! 

[TheStoner]

MostlyAutumn wrote...

H1natachan wrote...

I'm sure if Bioware/EA stuck a polished pile of dog poop in the game most of you will blindly buy it.
People are rightly saying enough is enough with all this day 1 dlc garbage. People are sick and tired of being constantly milked. People will only only take so much before enough is enough. The dont like it dont buy it arguement dont cut it with me. The line has been reached, it must never ever e crossed.
On another note, i'm not sure what's worse Bioware defenders or Blizzard defenders.

Yes, charging $100 for 200 hours of fun is atrocious.

The completionist playhthrough of ME2 I did on vetaran difficulty in preperation for this game took 22 hours. I very much doubt this will be 200 hours long.

[GuyIncognito21]

Rycr wrote...
 if it weren't for that accidental leak, we wouldn't even know about it yet!

We're assuming it was accidental.  They seem to have a lot of trouble keeping their code under wraps, don't they?

And if the prothean DLC is actually worthless, then I'd suggest Bioware could do a lot to diffuse this situation by saying that.  Tell me its superfluous fluff on the measure of a hoodie for Shepard or a robot pet and we'll be good.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 23 février 2012 - 06:21 .

[Klijpope]

This may have been mentioned, but I'm not reading of 150+ pages of nerd-rage.

There is another element to this day-one-DLC model debate.

Remember the furore over the treatment of the workers at Team Bondai over L.A. Noire?

The way the games industry can treat its staff can often be quite poor. Hire on loads of junior devs as the game moves into crunch-time, then fire them all when the game ships. This is bad not just for those workers but for the industry, as it fails to nurture talent and turns development into piece-work rather than a professional career.

Day One DLC is a way to give those devs something to do that will generate revenue for the company once a game has gone into certification, but not yet come out (and therefore generated revenue that justifies the next game being made). It means a developer can hold onto staff its only going to need again once the next game is greenlit. It saves on the administrative burden of hiring and firing, and allows developers to keep the talent it finds and nurture them.

Now I'm not saying that this is what this DLC is all about. I'm offering another perspective to show that there are many 'justifications' for DLC other than 'ripping off the fans'. Some of them are quite reasonable and benign.

[mogonk]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

You could get shadow broker files and kasumi files in ME2 way before they even came out. Same thing here

Well yeah.  Because they were working on it at the time the game was released.

So you're saying Casey Hudson was lying?

[Vilin13]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

fropas wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Communist... so many communist.

LOL wtf? this is totally getting off-topic.

I find it quite on topic with "General Discussion" in mind. 

Maybe you should learn the definition of communism from somewhere else than Fox news. Just maybe.

[ArkkAngel007]

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

I did answer it, maybe you missed it?  Or did you need more input?  I tried keeping it rather to the point, so if it isn't clear I could explain it.

[Yuoaman]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Rycr wrote...
 if it weren't for that accidental leak, we wouldn't even know about it yet!

We're assuming it was accidental.  They seem to have a lot of trouble keeping their code under wraps, don't they?

And if the prothean DLC is actually worthless, then I'd suggest Bioware could do a lot to diffuse this situation by saying that.  Tell me its superfluous fluff on the measure of a hoodie for Shepard or a robot pet and we'll be good.

It won't be, Javik has a lot of interesting information on the backstory of the Mass Effect universe, for someone who cares about the plot of the series this is incredibly important.

[Nodnol88]

For a start, I don't understand why Bioware is garnering such hate, when the reality is EA, as publisher, would be the key behind this, particulary the price etc. Even then, do people not remember what EA use to be like? They have turned themselves round and now house/own some of the best developers in the industry, not to mention some of my favourite. Anyone who doesn't remember that, think Activision now, only worse.

There is a fundamental flaw when it comes to complaining about DLC; no one is forcing you to buy it. As with most purchases, it is not a necessity in life; you simply want it. The fact is, people buy DLC by the bucket loads. For any series publisher and developer to remain competitive, DLC will continue to be produced because it SELLS. Hell COD map packs sell like hot cakes. People moan about the stale nature of the gameplay as it is with COD, and yet swarms of people still buy the content.

DLC is a feature that won't be going away.

Am I disappointed that something as important as a Prothean is "demoted" to DLC? Slightly. However as a soon to be CE owner it doesn't effect me anymore then it already did. I can understand people's frustrations, but as I said originally, if you don't agree with it, don't buy it. It's as simple as that.

Now I've been a fan of Bioware since the Baldur's Gate days, and they have only gown from strength to strength since then. Sure, they've dropped the ball from time to time, but what developer hasn't? They aren't beyond criticism, but they certainly deserve more respect than has been shown around here since this was all rumored.

[MostlyAutumn]

_symphony wrote...

Think about it, a prothean irrelevant in the fight against the reapers, is just .... what.

Being irrelevant and being integral to the story are not the only two options available.

[TheStoner]

Vilin13 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

fropas wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Communist... so many communist.

LOL wtf? this is totally getting off-topic.

I find it quite on topic with "General Discussion" in mind. 

Maybe you should learn the definition of communism from somewhere else than Fox news. Just maybe.

I think you missed the person quoting Karl Marx.

[Naughty Bear]

_symphony wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So I notice the announcement said that the DLC was for a prothean squadmate

Would this by chance be implying that the Prothean will be in the game without the DLC, but simply not as a joinable character?

That's a good question, if he is in the game, then my anger is baseless.

To reiterate, I don't care about the DLC or the CE, my problem is that they aparently added a prothean alive, and because is a DLC, he's irrelevant to the main plot.

Think about it, a prothean irrelevant in the fight against the reapers, is just .... what.

Not all Protheans are warriors. I'm sure civilians existed.

How would you be relevant to fighting Reapers if Humanity was wiped out and your the only one that existed? Just because he is the last of his species does not mean he has infinite knowledge of his own species and on how to combat the Reapers. I bet you don't know squat or remember what happened last month.

[Tiger]

mogonk wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

You could get shadow broker files and kasumi files in ME2 way before they even came out. Same thing here

Well yeah.  Because they were working on it at the time the game was released.

So you're saying Casey Hudson was lying?

No I'm saying they were working on it when the final game was finished.

[rob593]

Kasen13 wrote...
You can take it out of context and twist it all you like, but the fact remains that I made it quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint. From their perspective (and mine), adding this character does make it better, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I never said it wasn't speculative... I'm sure they thought DA2 would be loved by all. Speculation is often wrong, I myself am often wrong. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about this character being good.

I still do not understand how you think I am misreading context or twisting anything, and you should probably clarify that.
I do not doubt what they added benefits the game (makes it better) I do have my doubts however wether the time and effort could have been used more effectively elsewhere (especially so close to launch), as a developer you should understand this.

[fropas]

rob593 wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I'm done.
This is not worth it.
My measly amount of money I get for free spending isn't worth this.
Its a shame that they never made Mass Effect 3.
I would've loved to see how it ended but nothing is worth this hassle.
I have to draw the line somewhere.
Its just going to have to be something else that doesn't make feel dirty.

TL:DR

I'm glad your spending it on something else.    <3

A true beacon of the community, I'm sure Bioware appreciates you.

Looking at the new trend in DLC content I'm sure BW appreciates Niemack more than ppl who boycott the game because of  day-1 DLC. . .I'm sure BW would want all its fans to be happy and spend their time doing what they feel is worthwhile. If fans don't want to play the SE Mass Effect then they shouldn't buy it in my opinion.

[Yuoaman]

Naughty Bear wrote...

_symphony wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

So I notice the announcement said that the DLC was for a prothean squadmate

Would this by chance be implying that the Prothean will be in the game without the DLC, but simply not as a joinable character?

That's a good question, if he is in the game, then my anger is baseless.

To reiterate, I don't care about the DLC or the CE, my problem is that they aparently added a prothean alive, and because is a DLC, he's irrelevant to the main plot.

Think about it, a prothean irrelevant in the fight against the reapers, is just .... what.

Not all Protheans are warriors. I'm sure civilians existed.

How would you be relevant to fighting Reapers if Humanity was wiped out and your the only one that existed? Just because he is the last of his species does not mean he has infinite knowledge of his own species and on how to combat the Reapers. I bet you don't know squat or remember what happened last month.

Considering how little we know of the Protheans even the little bit of knowledge a simple soldier from his species' end would be amazing.

[Farbautisonn]

A 162 page ****efest in less than 24 hrs. This is impressive. The latest novel didnt even get this far this fast....

[GuyIncognito21]

Yuoaman wrote...
It won't be, Javik has a lot of interesting information on the backstory of the Mass Effect universe, for someone who cares about the plot of the series this is incredibly important.

That's my intuition as well.  Why make it a prothean if it's not integral to the plot?  The fact that prothean even still exists is ITSELF an important narrative point (however it's explained).

[Kasen]

rob593 wrote...

Kasen13 wrote...
You can take it out of context and twist it all you like, but the fact remains that I made it quite clear I was speaking from a developmental standpoint. From their perspective (and mine), adding this character does make it better, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I never said it wasn't speculative... I'm sure they thought DA2 would be loved by all. Speculation is often wrong, I myself am often wrong. It's entirely possible that I'm wrong about this character being good.

I still do not understand how you think I am misreading context or twisting anything, and you should probably clarify that.
I do not doubt what they added benefits the game (makes it better) I do have my doubts however wether the time and effort could have been used more effectively elsewhere (especially so close to launch), as a developer you should understand this.

I specifically stated that I am NOT a developer.

Editted to add: Perhaps I confused you with the addition of (and mine), in which case I do apologize for the lack of clarity. It was however stated clearly in a previous post which you quoted.

Modifié par Kasen13, 23 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[transcendent12]

Everytime someone says "bad business" "incomplete" in this thread. They're just parroting total biscuit.
The current status is:
People who agreed with total biscuit complain- this is fine.
Bioware release counter statement.
People who are tools now don't have a new counter argument and total biscuit hasn't released a follow up. Therefore the only argument which exists now is that bioware is lying.

Nice one guys.

Bioware could well be lying. But until that can be proved (which it can't) Your argument has an invalid premise and is therefore void.

If bioware speaks truth, the DLC is commissioned (i.e. people were paid) to make it on the contingency that there would be some extra payback for making it. If this was not commissioned, it would not have been included in the final game. Assuming the prothean is anything more than just a blind, deaf, dumb reanimated corpse is purely speculative.
Do you know the story of mass effect 3? Do you know how it ends? If not, how do you know the prothean is integral to the ending of this game. Maybe he's been in statis so long he has total amnesia. What you believe to be true and fact simply may be a complete fallacy. Until the importance of the prothean DLC is confirmed by people playing it. Just either get proper proof, or wait until the game has been released then us guinea pigs can tell you whether it is worth anything at all.

There is no excuse to pirate THE ENTIRE game because of this. And doing so would completely void ANY moral highground which I've already explained is based upon a highly possibly fallacy.

[Vilin13]

TheStoner wrote...

Vilin13 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

fropas wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Communist... so many communist.

LOL wtf? this is totally getting off-topic.

I find it quite on topic with "General Discussion" in mind. 

Maybe you should learn the definition of communism from somewhere else than Fox news. Just maybe.

I think you missed the person quoting Karl Marx.

In that case I apologize to Imperium Alpha.

[MartinDN]

mogonk wrote...

Guys, nobody has answered my question. I'm assuming you folks know something I don't. Would you mind taking a minute to fill me in?

The demo is a pre-final build of the game. Casey Hudson said that they didn't work on the DLC until after the game was finished and sent to MS. How can there be DLC files in the demo?

I just don't understand. Is he lying, or not?

Its more than likeley a lie, its quite obvious they didnt work on it after the game went gold - no way would they have time to voice and code it especially as it was all in the very first draft script - but then no one can actually prove that its otherwise a lie thus its all subjective and fans will swallow it like the blue pill. 

All we know is that in the original draft, the prothean was never meant to be a dlc character and was integral to the main plot and reaper arc. I assume this changed and we are where we are with him now.

[Benchpress610]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Somewhere, North America, 11:48AM
Bioware Motors, Canada

Dealer:  Good afternoon, sir!  Welcome to Bioware Motors.  

Patron1:  Yeah, thanks.  Whatchagot?

Dealer:  Our latest model, sir - the ME3 Turbo SE.  Just delivered from the factory a week ago.

Patron1:  Oh, yeah?  What's it got?  Looks sporty.

Dealer:     For only 60, you get all the standard equipment, plus AC,  a 3-CD player, faux leather interior,  computer-controlled braking system, an onboard GPS and a computer-assisted gasoline monitor that helps you save money.  It can use all three gasoline types with equal efficiency.  It comes with bucket seats,  and can be equipped as a standard or automatic, and is backed by our warranty assuring future upgrades, for a small fee.

Patron1:  That's pretty sweet.  Not bad.  I do believe I'll take it.

Dealer:  Thank you, sir, I...

Patron2:  Hey there, Patron1!  I see you're just about to buy the ME3 Turbo SE.

Patron1:  Yup.  It's pretty nice.  Sporty.  I bought the 2007 model and the 2009 one.  I like this series.

Patron2:  I agree,  I did too,  that's why I went for the Me3 HyperLX this time.  It's got everything yours has, except it has real leather heated seats, 12 CD -Changer in the upholstered trunk, full surround sound and full ABS.  It can also use diesel and cooking grease to power it, with the option to upgrade to full hydrocell in the future!  It also has a skid control built in and full power steering.  It also comes in Hyperblack, which only the LX has.  A bit steep, over 90 to get it, but I think it was worth it.  Had it all installed today, too.  Sweet, huh?

Patron1:  WTF!?  Hey, dealer, you piece of crap - how come he gets extras? Huh? You lying scum - what the hell are you trying to pull?!?

Dealer:  I don't understand the problem, sir?

Patron1:  Look, technically they're the same car, aren't they?  Same chassis, same engine, same wheels?

Dealer:  With minor differences, technically, yes.

Patron1:  That's what I thought!  But he gets all the extras?

Dealer:  Well, it is the luxury edition, sir.  However, for 10 more we can include...

Patron1:  Oh, no, you don't, you damned con artist!  If these two cars were technically identical when they were designed, then I want all those extras for free!  I bought the last two cars in this series!  I'm entitled!

Dealer:  Uh... sorry...?

Patron2:  How do you figure that you're entitled to a luxury edition when you were ready to buy the standard?  That makes no sense.  It never included the extras because it's the standard edition.

Patron1: Look, ******!  They're the same car!  At some point, a designer made the decision that all those extras could be installed onto the same body and the only real difference is the name!  I deserve those extras because I bought the same car! The same, the same, the same! Just because they're pandering to you rich basturds doesn't mean I shouldn't have it too! FFS!  And you should kiss my a ss and offer me something just for me for the privilege of me buying one of your cars in the first place!  And kiss my a ss!

Dealer:  Uh... you bought the standard edition.  We can install those extras are only 10 more...

Patron1:  I don't care if they're five or one or a hundred more!  I deserve them free because I bought the same car he did technically! Free because I bought two cars here before!  That proves I deserve it!  I say I do so I do!  

Patron2:  I don't think so.  Listen to yourself.

Patron1:  Aha! You just screwing me then? Rip off!  Gyp!  Thievery!  Injustice!  Unfettered greedy capitalism! It so figures!  That all you do to the beaten down guy who can barely afford a big screen tv and two consoles and a computer!  And you said it was afternoon, when technically it's not noon yet!  Conspiracy!  Lies everywhere!  I'm cancelling my car payment and going to the Bethesda Auto because even if their cars tend to stall they're nicer than you... and another thing... boobs in Witcher motors - superior!.....

Dealer:  Wow.  

Patron2:  Lack of thorazine in his diet, from the looks of it...

LMAO..ROFL .Man that was hilarious.

[Exia001]

My other issue is this:

Why are people so divisive about a game company, it isnt't religion, or a political party in fact it is something that has virtually no bearing society whatsoever and yet people are willing to draw a line and say ' I'm on this side you're on the other.'

It doesn't actually matter what people decide to do with their money, it's their money. If they want to spend it on ME DLC or a car or a house or whatever, you know one has a right to judge their character for it. Yeah, some people may buy Bioware things but so what? it had no effect on you or anyone you know or anyone you will know so I don't understand why people are getting a bee in their bonnet about it.

I don't know why people are taking an extra character and level so seriously, if you really wanted it that much you should have just taken the initiative and bought the collector's edition when it was first announced, you've had ample time. I would consider the fact that you only have to pay the amount you do the for the character. Given that we have to pay double that for the collector's edition and extra, you're actually getting a better deal they could have just not giving you the content because you didn't buy the collector's edition.

And yes I may be called a Biodrone, but you know what? I dont care, because at the end of the day it is just going to be me playing the game, and enjoying it, all the people that ' stuck to their principles' I applaud you, I really do, however you have no right to make a snap judgement on someone just because they use their initiative and bought the collectors edition, in a way I personally am glad... I only use this website to get information about ME3 and when the game is launched I get to see the back of the people who think the video game is a matter of life and death, it isn't.

As I said before come March 9 be able to see the back of this place and given the lack of reason, it couldn't be too soon.